Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Vicki, Hi. I am new to the forum. This is great stuff! My father is using mullein tincture for his lungs and as you know it is very expensive. I got him a plant but we weren't sure how to harvest it. Is it best to harvest before or after flowering? Is it best to use the plant fresh or dried? He buys dried mullein to make his own tinctures but I've heard using the fresh plant is better. Is this true? Also, he is struggling with congestive heart failure. He doesn't want to take all of the meds the doctors prescribe to him as they cause too many other side affects. Does anyone have any info on herbal treatment for congestive heart failure? Any info would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Jenny Vicki P <sun613moon Monday, October 15, 2007 6:18:54 PM Re: Re: Anything good for Asthma? I want to get off steroids permanently Nikki, I used to be on 6-8 breathing treatments a day as well oral steroids for my asthma, I also have used Primatene when i couldn't afford medication. I started using mullein tincture about 8 years ago, it took me about a year but i have my asthma well in hand now, i haven't had any prescribed or emergency room treatments in over 7 yrs. I now make the tincture my self and rarely do i need to use it more than once daily. I will never go back on Over the counter or dr. prescribed medication again, my health is way to important for me to be duped into believing all the garbage they try and shove at us. Hope you find what you need. HUGGS Vicki Nikki Sherritt <nsherritt (AT) comcast (DOT) net> Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11:29 PM Re: [oils_herbs_ etc] Re: Anything good for Asthma? 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Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Jenny and all. The things they put people on for CHF are diuretics, and they are told to watch their water intake. The thing with some diuretics is they deplete potassium. So if you have to go on a diuretic for anything make sure you're getting enough potassium. Even if you're going the herbal route make sure that you or whomever has the chf gets blood tests occasionally to make sure their potassium is in check. lack of potassium can in the worst cases cause heart attacks, kidney failure and other not so nice things. I try not to do too many allopathic medications, however, I will not play loose and light with mine or anyone else's health. If you can try and find a Dr. that works hand in hand with natural medicines. I have a GP who is absolutely wonderful in that regard. I'll tell him the research I have done and he will tell me what he thinks and makes sure that I am safe in doing so. If you or anyone else you know are on medications, please... before you take any herbs in conjunction with them.. check out the information on the drug with interactions with herbs, because if you are taking one medication that has something in it to already help something it may cause a reaction with the herb that could cause liver toxicity or worse. And no one wants anything to happen to a loved one unknowingly. Jennifer Jenny Boice wrote: > > Vicki, > > Hi. I am new to the forum. This is great stuff! > > My father is using mullein tincture for his lungs and as you know it > is very expensive. I got him a plant but we weren't sure how to > harvest it. Is it best to harvest before or after flowering? Is it > best to use the plant fresh or dried? He buys dried mullein to make > his own tinctures but I've heard using the fresh plant is better. Is > this true? > > Also, he is struggling with congestive heart failure. He doesn't want > to take all of the meds the doctors prescribe to him as they cause too > many other side affects. Does anyone have any info on herbal treatment > for congestive heart failure? > > Any info would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks, > Jenny > > > Vicki P <sun613moon <sun613moon%40>> > > <%40> > Monday, October 15, 2007 6:18:54 PM > Re: Re: Anything good for Asthma? I want to > get off steroids permanently > > Nikki, > I used to be on 6-8 breathing treatments a day as well oral steroids > for my asthma, I also have used Primatene when i couldn't afford > medication. I started using mullein tincture about 8 years ago, it > took me about a year but i have my asthma well in hand now, i haven't > had any prescribed or emergency room treatments in over 7 yrs. I now > make the tincture my self and rarely do i need to use it more than > once daily. I will never go back on Over the counter or dr. prescribed > medication again, my health is way to important for me to be duped > into believing all the garbage they try and shove at us. > > Hope you find what you need. > HUGGS > Vicki > > > Nikki Sherritt <nsherritt (AT) comcast (DOT) net> > > Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11:29 PM > Re: [oils_herbs_ etc] Re: Anything good for Asthma? I want to > get off steroids permanently > > OK, this will sound terrible and I am sure I will get scolded for > > this (;0), but I use the over the counter, ever-so-dangerous, > > Primatene Mist. > > .ly > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mkp{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font- family:Arial; margin:14px 0px;padding: > 0px 14px;} > #ygrp-mkp hr{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > #ygrp-mkp #hd{ > color:#628c2a; font-size: 85%;font- weight:bold; line-height: > 122%;margin: 10px 0px;} > #ygrp-mkp #ads{ > margin-bottom: 10px;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad{ > padding:0 0;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ > color:#0000ff; text-decoration: none;} > --> > > <!-- > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ > font-family: Arial;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ > margin:10px 0px;font-weight: bold;font- size:78%; line-height: 122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ > margin-bottom: 10px;padding: 0 0;} > --> > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, > sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, > sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family: Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family: Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- > align:right; } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; > text-transform: uppercase; } > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- > align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-vital a{ > text-decoration: none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size: > 100%;line- height:122% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration: none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o{font-size: 0;} > .MsoNormal{ > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120% ;} > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq{margin: 4;} > --> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile. / mobileweb/ onesearch? refer=1ONXIC > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Hi Jenny, I saw your post. I am just trying to get caught back up again and not doing real well. However, there are many methods to " treat " these symptoms. It all depends on how he wants to go about it. You can heal the cause or treat the symptoms which many prefer as it is easier. Healing the cause: One of the commonly overlooked sources of stress and resistant adrenal fatigue is chronic or severe infection. Adrenal fatigue is often precipitated by recurring bouts of bronchitis, pneumonia, asthma, sinusitis, or other respiratory infections. The more severe the infection, the more frequently it occurs or the longer it lasts, the more likely it is that the adrenals are involved. Adrenal fatigue can occur after just one single episode of a particularly nasty infection, or it can take place over time as the adrenals are gradually fatigued by prolonged or recurrent infections. If there are other concurrent stresses, such as an unhappy marriage, poor dietary habits or a stressful job, the downhill ride is deeper and steeper. ****Cortisone causes a negative feedback to the pituitary, causing a diminished pituitary output of adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH). In prolonged cortisone therapy, the person's adrenal glands will atrophy, even to the point of non-function. Since the adrenal cortical hormones are necessary for life, a person on cortisone products should never have them withdrawn rapidly, as this could cause a life-threatening crisis. When a person is withdrawn from cortisone, it should be done so very gradually, over a long period of time in order to allow the adrenal glands to rebuild themselves to an adequate level of activity. Cardiovascular System Cortisol has complex and sometimes opposing effects on the cardiovascular system. The most significant of these effects is probably the control of the contraction of the walls of the arteries in regulating blood pressure. The more circulating cortisol, the more contracted the mid-sized arteries. Thus, people who are deficient in cortisol usually have pervasive low blood pressure (hypotension) and reduced reactivity to other body agents that constrict blood vessels. Cortisol also directly affects the heart. It helps regulate sodium and potassium in the heart cells and increases the strength of contraction of the heart muscle. Sodium and potassium levels are critical for normal heart function. Cortisol also tends to increase blood pressure, but this hypertensive effect is moderated by calcium and magnesium. These minerals are required to prevent the heart muscles from cramping when they contract, thus keeping the heart beating smoothly. They also help relax the walls of the arteries, counteracting and balancing the increase in smooth muscle contraction produced by cortisol. So, in healing the culprit FOR BOTH ailments, you heal the entire endocrine multi glandular (NEVER just one gland at a time) with homeopathy at this point, then after it has begun to be able to break foods down properly and such THEN you can move to raw glandulars and ect. http://tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html Alkaline the body through an acid/alkaline ph chart. It is not as difficult as it seems. Use Raw grass fed dairy only eatwild.com or realmilk.com and do yourself and your family a great favor by using the raw milk to make your kefir in!!! Look into the non profit Dr. Weston Price's website and book! Look into type 1A and 2A milk as well as CLA's. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE0709/S00089.htm Furthermore, consumption of milk with the A 2 variant may be associated with less severe symptoms of autism and schizophrenia. The http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/tandf/bfsn/2006/00000046/0000000 1/art00004;jsessionid=btv98t4htepi.alice?format=print When Julia was a year old, I added store-bought cow's milk to her diet. Immediately she had a personality change. She was impulsive, obstinate, angry, and unsettled. I suspected the milk http://www.realmilk.com/testimonials.html If treating symptoms is the way he wants to go and he'll just be adding to the herbal repetoire..... Then look into coQ10 for the heart, and DMSO (in glass only NEVER PLASTIC) through Dr. Jacob's site, one drop mixed with colloidal silver in a nebulizer. And then herbs like mullein, comfrey, shizandra. Mullein grows wild, I pick all I need. You can also buy or trade seeds. Same with comfrey and schizandra. Always harvest before flowering unless you are harvesting root, do this after. I hope this helps many! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 There has just been a major paper presented recently here in Canada, which says that children raised on farms are far less likely to develop asthma. The reasons cited, are that children raised on farms are exposed to many more germs than children raised in cities, and develop far better immune responses - the bottom line being that children are kept far too sterile these days, and their bodies dont develop the immune systems they should. There was a program on the nature channel some time ago, which stated that children raised in third world countries and in what the world would consider unsanitary conditons, also do not develop asthma as readily. The immune system of a child is set up to acquire immune responses at a very early age, right from birth, really, but in the west, we insist on keeping them sterile, and they dont get the chance to develop normal, healthy immune responses. Remember when newborns in hospitals were dipped in Phisohex and subsequently died? Mary Well, Naturally - food4tot Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:41 AM Re: Anything good for Asthma or Congestive Heart Failure? Hi Jenny, I saw your post. I am just trying to get caught back up again and not doing real well. However, there are many methods to " treat " these symptoms. It all depends on how he wants to go about it. You can heal the cause or treat the symptoms which many prefer as it is easier. Healing the cause: One of the commonly overlooked sources of stress and resistant adrenal fatigue is chronic or severe infection. Adrenal fatigue is often precipitated by recurring bouts of bronchitis, pneumonia, asthma, sinusitis, or other respiratory infections. The more severe the infection, the more frequently it occurs or the longer it lasts, the more likely it is that the adrenals are involved. Adrenal fatigue can occur after just one single episode of a particularly nasty infection, or it can take place over time as the adrenals are gradually fatigued by prolonged or recurrent infections. If there are other concurrent stresses, such as an unhappy marriage, poor dietary habits or a stressful job, the downhill ride is deeper and steeper. ****Cortisone causes a negative feedback to the pituitary, causing a diminished pituitary output of adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH). In prolonged cortisone therapy, the person's adrenal glands will atrophy, even to the point of non-function. Since the adrenal cortical hormones are necessary for life, a person on cortisone products should never have them withdrawn rapidly, as this could cause a life-threatening crisis. When a person is withdrawn from cortisone, it should be done so very gradually, over a long period of time in order to allow the adrenal glands to rebuild themselves to an adequate level of activity. Cardiovascular System Cortisol has complex and sometimes opposing effects on the cardiovascular system. The most significant of these effects is probably the control of the contraction of the walls of the arteries in regulating blood pressure. The more circulating cortisol, the more contracted the mid-sized arteries. Thus, people who are deficient in cortisol usually have pervasive low blood pressure (hypotension) and reduced reactivity to other body agents that constrict blood vessels. Cortisol also directly affects the heart. It helps regulate sodium and potassium in the heart cells and increases the strength of contraction of the heart muscle. Sodium and potassium levels are critical for normal heart function. Cortisol also tends to increase blood pressure, but this hypertensive effect is moderated by calcium and magnesium. These minerals are required to prevent the heart muscles from cramping when they contract, thus keeping the heart beating smoothly. They also help relax the walls of the arteries, counteracting and balancing the increase in smooth muscle contraction produced by cortisol. So, in healing the culprit FOR BOTH ailments, you heal the entire endocrine multi glandular (NEVER just one gland at a time) with homeopathy at this point, then after it has begun to be able to break foods down properly and such THEN you can move to raw glandulars and ect. http://tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html Alkaline the body through an acid/alkaline ph chart. It is not as difficult as it seems. Use Raw grass fed dairy only eatwild.com or realmilk.com and do yourself and your family a great favor by using the raw milk to make your kefir in!!! Look into the non profit Dr. Weston Price's website and book! Look into type 1A and 2A milk as well as CLA's. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE0709/S00089.htm Furthermore, consumption of milk with the A 2 variant may be associated with less severe symptoms of autism and schizophrenia. The http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/tandf/bfsn/2006/00000046/0000000 1/art00004;jsessionid=btv98t4htepi.alice?format=print When Julia was a year old, I added store-bought cow's milk to her diet. Immediately she had a personality change. She was impulsive, obstinate, angry, and unsettled. I suspected the milk http://www.realmilk.com/testimonials.html If treating symptoms is the way he wants to go and he'll just be adding to the herbal repetoire..... Then look into coQ10 for the heart, and DMSO (in glass only NEVER PLASTIC) through Dr. Jacob's site, one drop mixed with colloidal silver in a nebulizer. And then herbs like mullein, comfrey, shizandra. Mullein grows wild, I pick all I need. You can also buy or trade seeds. Same with comfrey and schizandra. Always harvest before flowering unless you are harvesting root, do this after. I hope this helps many! 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Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 > ...children raised in third world countries > and in what the world would consider unsanitary conditons, > also do not develop asthma as readily. The immune system of a > child is set up to acquire immune responses at a very early > age, right from birth, really, but in the west, we insist on > keeping them sterile, and they dont get the chance to develop > normal, healthy immune responses. [Dave]: As I often state, we are hygiening ourselves to death! This modern horror of germs and the attendant mania for sterilizing everying in sight is NOTHING MORE THAN marketing response. That's right, some corporate types decided that it would be easy to induce germ fear and to sell products that address it. Not one of them thought about the results, nor cared. In addition to killing germs in the home (mostly unnecessarily), they go down the drain and kill microorganisms in the environment that are the foundation of the food chain. The number-one recommendation for good hygiene is frequent hand-washing, not with chemicals but plain old soap and water. And of course, if there is a known source of dangerous microorganisms such as a staph infection, this needs to be addressed. Otherwise this obsession with sterility does far more harm than good. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.0/1077 - Release 10/18/2007 9:54 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Goodness Jenny, sorry for the delayed post. I copied and pasted the wrong pharagraph! Lung problems are endocrine related just like every other illness, (heart included) and the Dr.'s here are so credentialled they can " perscribe " Like I said though many would rather treat symptoms, it " seems " easier. I say it like that because to me it's more work to nurse things along and put up with the onslaught of guarenteed new " symptoms " as more goes wrong when the adrenals or endocrine system gets weaker and weaker. But I am not you or your dad. I would be happy to help with either. This is the correct paragraph from this enlightening page: Any person who has abnormal lung function, especially asthma or bronchitis, should be checked for hypoadrenia. This is particularly true if the person's symptoms are relieved by using an epinephrine inhaler. The muscles related to the lungs (deltoid, serratus anterior, etc.) are usually strong in these persons. Many lung problems are related more to the adrenals than to the lungs. The sartorius and gracilis, etc. should be checked in any lung case. Several years ago, it was reported that asthma was totally a psychosomatic illness. Patients were put under emotional stress and an asthma attack would ensue. Therefore it was concluded that the asthma problem was all in the patient's head. If the adrenals are in the exhaustion stage of the GAS, they will be unable to respond to the added burden of emotional stress since there is no reserve available to fall back on. The epinephrine will not be available for normal function and the person will experience bronchoconstriction, swelling of the mucous membranes, and increased mucus production. The result is an asthma attack triggered by the increased emotional stress. The attack has nothing to do with the emotional stress except that the stress affects the adrenals. Fix the adrenals and the person can physically tolerate the emotional stress. Michael Lam, M.D., M.P.H., A.B.A.A.M. Dr. Walter Schmitt DC, DIBAK, DABCN James L. Wilson D.C., N.D., Ph.D.A scientist as well as a physician, Dr. Wilson holds 3 doctorate degrees and 2 master's degrees, all from different disciplines.He was one of the founding fathers of the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine (CCNM) in Toronto, Ontario and is listed in The International Who's Who in Medicine (Cambridge, England).His new book, Adrenal Fatigue: the 21st Century Stress Syndrome (Smart Publications, 2001) is a comprehensive self-help book on the diagnosis and treatment of Adrenal Fatigue. Dr. Wilson currently resides in Tucson, Arizona. http://tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Hi Mary, Interesting you would say that! We were just talking about how much healthier fresh raw foods and raw milk drinkers on farms are! They do not have the allergies and weaknesses that others have! Most were either breast fed or supplimented with the next best thing raw milk. Actually, the " immune system " is the endocrine system, (cortisol, thymus ect...) when it is weighted down, by stress, too much acidity, endocrine disruptors, adrenal fatigue, we do not have much of one. It's a wonder that it boils down so easily, but our bodies are completely and totally run and ruled by the endocrine system and the nervous system. No and's if's or buts. The liver picks up the slack for the sick, weak, slackers. In a nut shell ( " they " don't want you to figure out), that's it. It's truly Divinely remarkable in all of it's simplicity. Hey if you are from Canada you will enjoy this page! http://www.vitalitymagazine.com/node/808 http://www.drhui.com/article/adrenal-fatigue/ Here's more from the same page: It's nice to know this stuff, then we have experience to " launch " from when trying to discern fact from fiction........I LOVE and live to help equip people for this! bt Inflammation Cortisol is a powerful anti-inflammatory, even when secreted at normal levels. It acts quickly to remove and prevent redness and swelling of nearly all tissues. These anti-inflammatory actions keep mosquito bites from flaring into giant wheals, bronchial tubes and eyes from swelling shut from allergens, and mild scratches from looking like lacerations. For any physical body to remain in homeostatic equilibrium every inflammatory reaction must have an opposite and equal anti-inflammatory reaction. Although there are other anti-inflammatory responses occurring at local sites, cortisol is the main anti-inflammatory agent circulating naturally in your body. You can assume that almost any time you have an inappropriate amount of redness and/or swelling, there is too little cortisol in circulation. Cortisol has similar anti- inflammatory control over auto-immune reactions. In auto-immune reactions white blood cells attack parts of your body as if they were foreign. These reactions can range from mild to life threatening. In most auto-immune reactions cortisol levels are inadequate for the degree of reaction taking place in particular tissues or locations in the body. This is one of the reasons why strong corticosteroids (prednisone, prednisolone, etc.) are used with all diseases involving inflammatory processes, including auto-immune diseases. They imitate the anti-inflammatory effects of cortisol, although unfortunately with some very serious undesirable side effects. Cortisol not only affects the redness and swelling but also the actions of the white blood cells. Immune System Cortisol influences most cells that participate in immune reactions and/or inflammatory reactions, especially white blood cells. It specifically regulates lymphocytes, the commanders of the white blood cells. Cortisol and corticoids (cortisol-like substances) also affect the actions of other white blood cells such as natural killer (NK) cells, monocytes, macrophages, eosinophils, neutrophils, mast cells and basophils. These white blood cells gather in defense of the body at places of injury or perceived invasion and some flood the area with very powerful chemicals to attack the invaders. Although they are a great defense, these chemicals irritate the surrounding tissues, causing redness and swelling. Cortisol rushes to the site to put out the fire made by the lymphocytes and other white blood cells. It keeps the local white blood cells from sticking to the site and releasing their chemicals and also controls the number of circulating lymphocytes and other white blood cells, so there are fewer white blood cells available. This prevents an overreaction by the immune system and controls the irritation and tissue destruction that takes place at the site of congregating white blood cells. Cortisol also reduces the rate at which lymphocytes multiply and accelerates their programmed cell death to further protect the body from this overreaction. In fact, when cortisol is elevated during the alarm reaction, there is almost a complete disappearance of lymphocytes form the blood. That is why your immune system is suppressed when you are under stress or taking corticosteroids. On the other hand, when circulating cortisol is low, its moderating effect on immune reactions is lost and lymphocytes circulate in excess. In this situation, inflammation is greater with more redness and swelling, and it takes a longer time for the inflamed tissue to return to normal. So, directly and indirectly cortisol dramatically influences most aspects of immune function. Cardiovascular System Cortisol has complex and sometimes opposing effects on the cardiovascular system. The most significant of these effects is probably the control of the contraction of the walls of the arteries in regulating blood pressure. The more circulating cortisol, the more contracted the mid-sized arteries. Thus, people who are deficient in cortisol usually have pervasive low blood pressure (hypotension) and reduced reactivity to other body agents that constrict blood vessels. Cortisol also directly affects the heart. It helps regulate sodium and potassium in the heart cells and increases http://tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html Michael Lam, M.D., M.P.H., A.B.A.A.M. is a specialist in Preventive and Anti-Aging Medicine. He received his Bachelor of Science degree from Oregon State University, and his Doctor of Medicine degree from Loma Linda University School of Medicine, California. He also holds a Masters of Public Health degree and is Board Certification in Anti- aging Medicine by the American Board of Anti-Aging Medicine. Dr. Lam pioneered the formulation of the three clinical phases of aging as well as the concept of diagnosis and treatment of sub-clinical age related degenerative diseases to deter the aging process. Dr. Lam has been published extensively in this field. He is the author of The Five Proven Secrets to Longevity and Beating Cancer with Natural Medicine. Dr. Walter Schmitt DC, DIBAK, DABCN; a graduate of Duke University and the National College of Chiropractic. In 1991, he became the first physician to hold Diplomate status in both Applied Kinesiology and Chiropractic Neurology. As a practicing chiropractic physician since 1974, Dr. Schmitt has served on the Board of Directors of the International College of Applied Kinesiology (ICAK) and as a trustee for the Foundation for Allied Conservative Therapies Research (FACTR). He is an adjunct member of the postgraduate faculty of Logan College of Chiropractic and serves on the Editorial Review Boards of Chiropractic Technique and Alternative Medicine Review. The author of over 70 papers for the ICAK, two books for physicians, Common Glandular Dysfunctions in the General Practice and Compiled Notes on Clinical Nutritional Products, and one book for laypersons, Stop Your Pain Now. Dr. Schmitt lectures nationally and internationally and is renowned for his innovative use of muscle testing for functional neurological and neurochemical assessment.. James L. Wilson D.C., N.D., Ph.D. has helped hundreds of people with Adrenal Fatigue regain their health and vitality during his 24 years of private practice.For the past 10 years he has lectured extensively to physicians and is acknowledged as an expert on endocrine imbalances and their impact on health, including the effects of stress on adrenal function.He is the first person to have presented Adrenal Fatigue as a distinct, diagnosable syndrome. A scientist as well as a physician, Dr. Wilson holds 3 doctorate degrees and 2 master's degrees, all from different disciplines.He was one of the founding fathers of the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine (CCNM) in Toronto, Ontario and is listed in The International Who's Who in Medicine (Cambridge, England).His new book, Adrenal Fatigue: the 21st Century Stress Syndrome (Smart Publications, 2001) is a comprehensive self-help book on the diagnosis and treatment of Adrenal Fatigue. Dr. Wilson currently resides in Tucson, Arizona. -- In , " Mary Robinson " <maryr wrote: > > There has just been a major paper presented recently here in Canada, which says that children raised on farms are far less likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 I totally believe that those findings are correct. Having been an asthmatic all my life, I also know so much of it was stress induced as a youngster than later on in life switched more to allergies. Question is, how to built up your endocrone system? How can our bodies produce cortisone on it's own? Key seems to be the liver... I like to know more about that. C-M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Thanks for all that cortisol information. Now we just got to get our own bodies to produce more cortisol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Be careful with cortisone production. Like everything else, it is a delicate balance. Not producing enough cortisone is not good, producing too much cortisone is deadly. I speak from experience. My sister was diagnosed with Cushings disease, which is over production of cortisone. Sometimes it's caused by overactive adrenals, sometimes by the pituitary. Let me tell you, it's an ugly, destructive disease. It affects every area of your life, and every system in your body. Some books refer to cortisone as " the ugly hormone " because it literally causes ugliness in humans, both pysical and emotional/mental. My sister had surgery to correct the problem, and it took two years for her body to regulate itself again-- unfortunately, she could never get over the trauma that she endured from what was associated with the disease and the surgery/cure, and she died in early June, in her sleep, from an accidental overdose of prescribed drugs. Balance! Life is a balance! Pam, going back into lurkdom in Gettysburg, PA , " llaci2003 " <jjaksic wrote: > > Thanks for all that cortisol information. Now we just got to get our > own bodies to produce more cortisol. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 I had Cushings caused by Steroids. Because of my severe allergic inflammation, I was told to take a moderately high dose of Prednisone and this went on for 1.5 months (and the inflammation never subsided one iota). Then I went and took a really high dose (knowing it had worked in the past) for 2-3 straight days and the inflammation finally subsided. BUT now my Adrenal Gland had shut down. It took me nine long months to wean off of that high dosage (mostly lessening my mg's by only 1 mg for five days). I was taking lots and lots of Prednisone in order to wean. I was not able to just jump down by 5 mg or 10 mg; I had to go very very slow. And then when I was almost off, my Adrenal Gland working better and the Prednisone decreasing, I was extremely vulnerable to sicknesses (flus, oral thrush, infections). It was a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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