Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Hi Patty, Chris already answered this one .. but I'll add a bit. EO prices are driven by pretty much the same variables as are other commodity prices. Transportation costs, production costs, supply vs demand .. which is driven by many things .. not the least being climate change and natural disasters ... and exchange rates. But we must also include politics and ethics. > Hi Butch and whomever my have some input here. > I'm in need of some patchouli essential oil or at > least I was until I saw the huge jump in price. > I can't keep up with the price changes on Patchouli .. they are moving too quickly. I bought 10 kilos and adjusted my prices (upward) around 2 weeks ago .. that oil went out the door like a scalded dawg and I ordered more .. the price has risen again. I then learned that the price has risen even as I was selling the 10 kilos for the old price .. that's why it went out the door so fast. > What's going on with with this eo? Granted, it has > been a couple of years since I purchased some but it > has gone through the roof making it on the > unaffordable side. > Patch is going up .. where it will stabilize this year is unknown. Lemme get general for a minute then I will be a bit more specific on Patch. Chris mentioned climate changes and other factors and she was right on all of them .. the causes are (in some cases) merely excuses to gouge the market ... I believe that is the case with Patchouli now .. same as it was for Vanilla Absolute for the last few years. Transportation Costs: The increase in price of oil to $90 a barrel has an impact on transportation costs. I wrote before where I had paid like 250% more to send a sea van from Turkey. But increased cost of oil can be more of an excuse than a valid reason because the cost of fuel is not steady .. though some price increases will be steady .. folks pay them and the product sells and the prices remain high. From day to day the price of gas at the pump fluctuates 10-15 cents per gallon .. this is based on speculation .. on the Future's Market. Oil prices are speculative .. same as corn, wheat, soy beans, Portland Cement, pork bellies, etc. Prices can fluctuate wildly based on international events. Last week, the Turkish Parliament approved a one year window for permission to the military to go into Northern Iraq after the Kurdish Terrorist Organization (PKK) that has been attacking Turkey from that area .. the military has not crossed the border .. probably won't cross it .. but the price of oil began to climb. The reasons for Turkey's decision are based on U.S. domestic polices .. just as jerks in the oil market have occurred when we rattle our sabers at Iran. The increased costs of domestic shipping or prices at the gas pump are not always based on a real increase in the cost of fuel .. in many cases they are merely an excuse to increase profits. But .. they are a reality and they have an accordion effect .. like traffic slowing from 65 MPH to 35 MPH can cause those at the end of a one mile stretch to have to drive 10 MPH. A 10% increase in fuel costs can result in a 50% or more cost for a product because along the line (from raw materials to finished product) prices will increase to cover the 10% increase. Currency Exchange Rates: I began this with a quarter page explanation on this .. but after I read it I was bored .. so I cut it back. Hold down the applause. ;-) Exchange rates are the price of one currency in terms of another. They are determined mainly by supply and demand, export/import trade and flow of capital. Look at currency as you would another commodity and you get the picture. Rates constantly shift because investors are looking for the best returns on their money. Rates are driven by conditions so complicated than even the experts disagree on what formula(s) should be used. Consumer Price Index is one factor. The cost of goods (including food) and services in the USA is lower than in Europe .. but the US Dollar (USD) is at an all time low now against the Euro .. 1 EUR = 1.42635 USD. Is this a valid exchange rate? Maybe not but its a reality we have to live with. The USD is OK when exchanges are made in many Third World countries and the lion's share of essential oils come from Third World and Emerging Market countries .. so one might wonder why essential oil from Indonesia or Madagascar costs more now. Its because these two countries have chosen to use the Euro as a basis for exchange. Since creation of the Republic of Turkey the USD was used as a base for determining exchange rates. Hyper inflation was a norm in Turkey for many years .. 100% plus I saw many years. When I first went there in 1964 the rate was 1 USD = 9 Turkish Lira (TL) .. when I left in May 2007 it was the equivalent of 1 USD = 1,560,000 TL (in January 04 the Turks dropped six zeros .. one million became one .. so one USD is worth 1.211 Turkish Lira (TL) today.. when I opened my company in Turkey (in 1995) it was 1 USD = 1.750 TL .. when I closed it in 2004 it was 1 USD = 1.450 TL .. I got out of Turkey just in time. ;-) The Euro exchange rate now is 1 Eur = 1.728 TL ... around 50% higher than it was in the late 90s. A low USD can hurt European exports .. and assist US exports. Americans must pay more for European products but they can get ours for less .. on paper. Keep in mind that the low USD does not really have much impact on US domestic prices .. it affects international business dealings and the stock market .. but it does not always negatively impact the US stock market .. it can increase certain stock values. Exchange rates generally impact the cost of goods that are traded internationally and they affect competition between imports and domestic production .. exporters often absorb the exchange rate changes by taking less profit on single exports but making more exports. Domestic consumers take no notice of exchange rates if they buy domestic goods .. but that is not a viable option when we are buying essential oils. This year, Europeans and Americans will pay less for US Orange Juice so we will sell more .. Americans will pay more for French Wine so we will buy less. And we will pay more for essential oils from a country that uses the Euro exchange rate because it takes more USD to purchase 1 Euro. The international price of oil (fuel for transportation) is still based on the USD .. America has the cheapest fuel costs in the world (outside of the Middle East) .. but European governments tax their fuel at wild and crazy rates. Whether exchange rates are superficial or not is not important .. they are a reality and they will have as much of an impact on the increased cost of essential oils as will fuel costs. If the USD is at an all time low against the Euro .. why then are essential oils prices generally lower in the USA than they are in Europe? I believe it is because for most EO .. the USA is the biggest market and the prices producers can get are driven by variables in the international market other than exchange rates .. today most producers are making less profit per kilo but they are selling more product. Europeans/Canadians/Australians, etc., today can get great deals on US products .. to include essential oils sold from America even though the Origin is elsewhere. The reason is .. because they can buy more USD with fewer Euro Another reason is because of taxation .. US import taxes for products from most countries is low .. US export taxes are almost nonexistent .. and for some countries payment of import taxes to bring in US goods can be lower than payment of their own domestic taxes. If the above is confusing .. consider that it is a simplification of a far more complicated system. Investment advisers spend lots of time juggling the figures and they don't always get it right. ;-) Climate Change: We have lived with this for years and will continue to do so. Even back when I was dealing with commodities I saw the price of sunflower seeds (for example) fluctuate as much as 50% in one season. There will be good years and bad years .. the 2007 crop year was a bad one in most countries. Typhoons, forest fires, too much or not enough rain, too hot or too cold, etc., have had a real negative impact on supply of agricultural/aromatic commodities .. both in the USA and abroad. Ethics and Pricing: Competition laws have been around in one form or another for centuries and they are generally accepted as being global standards today .. the US Antitrust Laws and the European Union Competition Laws are the most influential when it comes to exercising scrutiny in the international market place. But they are not perfect and some countries play games .. or allow their traders to play games. There is only so much control the international market can enforce and that control depends on open market conditions .. cartels and predatory pricing .. price gouging .. over taxing exports and holding back of products .. all of these things can upset the normal flow of goods in an open market system. But .. holding back of products is not always an ethics or legal violation. Farmers who raise a lot of grain normally have silos so they can store (hold back) wheat, corn, rye, etc., during the harvest season and get a better price later on. Same goes with taking cattle to the market. I believe that price gouging was the reason for Vanilla Absolute being so high the last few years. Around three years ago I stopped offering Vanilla Bourbon Absolute (Vanilla planifolia) .. both my Retail and Wholesale links have indicated Temporarily Out of Stock .. even though I suppose 3 years is a bit more than Temporary. ;-) I have some in stock now and it will be on the site .. along with some price changes .. in the next few days. For years the price of Vanilla Beans was stable .. then due to a series of typhoons, and climate change and political instability, there was a shortage and prices suddenly increased as much as 650% .. in 2004 they hit over $500 per kilo. These price increases caused many farmers to turn to Vanilla Beans in lieu of other crops .. and in 2005 they found that there was an oversupply .. prices dropped to around $45 per kilo. Because farmers in Madagascar, Réunion, and the Comoros Islands had gambled on continuing high prices .. they borrowed a lot of money. When the prices fell many of them went broke. They lost homes and cars and even farms. However, when the bottom fell out of the market .. the producers of Vanilla Absolute did NOT lower their prices. The cost of Vanilla Absolute remained as high as it had ever been. I refused to buy Vanilla Absolute because I believed what was happening was price gouging .. and at the expense of little people who were without representation .. or relief. So .. I offered no Vanilla Absolute in crop years 2005 and 2006. It is my opinion that MAYBE the price increases in Patchouli MIGHT be a result of holding back product. The demand remains the same but supply is short. For sure there is a major shortage of Patch this year due to climate conditions and we could reasonably expect a 35% - 45% increase in prices .. but even when that happens, normally there should be some stabilization in prices .. Patch prices are still moving .. trying to determine costs is like shooting at a moving target. Perhaps I am wrong but I believe that growers are holding back product .. feeding it out to exporters a little at a time so they can raise their prices and recoup more of their losses. I have 10 more kilos of Patch incoming now but the price has increased again .. its now over 65% higher than it was last year. Try to purchase 10 kilos and 100 kilos and see if you can get a discount on the larger order. I am sure you can not. Coriander Seed oil is much higher now and the replacement cost of Haitian Vetiver (which I sell) is at an all time high. This is (I think) a valid increase because Haiti has had far too much rain since March and the crop has been poor. We can expect an increase in Italian citrus oils due to climate change and wild fires .. but I will continue to sell Italian Bergamot, Lemon, Mandarin, Petitgrain and Blood Orange oils. Its up to the buyers to determine if they would prefer to pay less money for less quality ... I will stick with what I think is the highest quality and I believe the majority of my customers will do likewise. IF the prices for a particular oil go REALLY crazy .. like we see with Corsican Helichrysum italicum .. then I will not offer that oil from any source. There are other price increases .. and they will affect all sellers so if we should think that the price of an oil has become unaffordable then our options are limited. > Looks like I'll be keeping what I have dear just like > my sandalwood eo. > The price of Mysore Sandalwood has increased but this is a recurring thing ... price fluctuates greatly on this product. I can remember when it was $700 a kilo. ;-) Mysore Sandalwood prices are only driven by supply temporarily .. based on domestic consumption in India. The main reason for price increases is manipulation of taxes by the Indian government. Its a long story but please don't believe those folks who write that there has been no legitimate Mysore Sandalwood .. or even NO Mysore Sandalwood at all ... on the market for years. Both statements are pure Bovine Excrement! Patti in Kenosha > > Fragrantly Yours, > Patti > And to you and yours. > Patti's Potions Natural Soaps > Where it is always polite to > Stick Your Nose in My Business > www.pattispotions.com > http://pattispotionsnaturalsoaps.blogspot.com/ > Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com .. Wholesale/Retail GC Tested EO/Rose Products, Tested Hydrosols and other nice things shipped to you from our store/warehouse in Downtown Friendsville, MD. Pop: 597 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 > I can't keep up with the price changes on Patchouli .. they > are moving too > quickly. [Dave]: I have read - and I do not know how true this is - that patchouli has been severely overharvested, to the extent that it is simply vanishing, similar to the large walnut trees of North America. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release 10/20/2007 2:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Thanks Butch, I knew you would have the skinny on the patch increase. I had to break the news to my customers who were asking this past weekend. It won't be back anytime soon for this soap lady. Of course if they wanted to purchase some, I would glady make a batch for them! yeah right, like that will happen anytime soon! Patti in Kenosha Fragrantly Yours, Patti Patti's Potions Natural Soaps Where it is always polite to Stick Your Nose in My Business www.pattispotions.com http://pattispotionsnaturalsoaps.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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