Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I don’t post often here, but I do read. I have a question that has been puzzling me and is making me miserable. Some background info. I had a complete hysterectomy in ’91 (age 38) and was on lowest possible dose of estrogen until 5 years ago. Gradually went off over a period of 6 months with no problems. In 2001 I was in an auto accident and since have had numerous problems (back, neck and shoulder injury as well as closed head injury). Currently I am treated with a Duragesic patch (literally saved my life 2 yrs ago), vicodin and Cymbalta. I thought the Cymbalta was causing me to have the sweats and then chills. This has been going on almost a year. I cut back to ½ the Cymbalta dose, but the sweats/chills continue. My drs. don’t seem to think my problem is menopausal. I AM MISERABLE!!!! This is not helping my depression/pain cycle either. I am at my wits end. Does anyone have any suggestions? BTW, no, I can’t afford acupuncture and insurance doesn’t cover it. We will be checking into a different ins. Co. when it is time for DH to have open enrollment at his work, though. I would appreciate any ideas you have to offer. I will also be making another dr. appt. this next week. TIA Jan G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Depression can be a sign of Magnesium deficiency and/or omega-3 fatty acid deficiency. _http://george-eby-research.com/html/depression-anxiety.html_ (http://george-eby-research.com/html/depression-anxiety.html) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hi Jan, I just recently rejoined this group after being away for a couple of years due to a way too busy life- work-house-kids-etc.... it's good to be back and see all the familiar names .....I am a registered psychiatric /Holistic nurse and a registered aromatherapist...my aromatherapy claim to fame is coauthoring the infamous " RDT White Paper " ...I integrate essential oils and energy therapies into my nursing practice ..I also have a private healing practice and I teach aromatherapy to health professionals - and to anyone else who will listen...!! I recently successfully treated a huge Upper respiratory infecton I had with good old oregano essential oil!!! after the first dose, I was on the mend..within 3 days, I was totally better.....I also had a case of shingles over Christmas, and successfully treated with ravensara aromatica and citrus bergamia in Tamanu oil... My question to you, Jan, is how long have you been on the cymbalta? How much vicodan are you using, and do you have any other medical problems? Janice Gagnon-Warr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Jan, I am really sorry to hear about the way you are feeling. I am, of course, anti drugs but sometimes you just have to take them. Are you able to get out and walk. Walking really helps with depression. Even a treadmill or exercise bike. I do not know what Cymbalta is, but could the vicodin be the culprit? You are a female, so therefore at your age, everything gets the label menopausal. (I am 64, so have been there). I am also wondering if you are getting allergic to the patch. Do you have a herbalist, homoepathic dr or a chinese dr you could go to. Are you able to join a gym or take yoga classes. All I am doing is throwing ideas out there, but I do feel sorry for your pain. Elmira Jan Gifford <jangiff wrote: Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Jan, It may be the Cymbalta. The reason I say this Is I was on Effexor and they are similar. They are both SSRI and Norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors. The thing is that because it is such a small dose in their opinion it can't be the Cymbalta. But if you look at the clinical side effects you will see that it indeed does cause sweats. (Heck my doctor put me on Lithium and it made my hair fall out and over a period of 30 years in practice he had not had 1 person other than me have that side effect.) I weaned myself off the Effexor and the sweats stopped. Also have your thyroid checked. that too can cause the sweats and chills. My dr. will not put me on Cymbalta for the fact that it is a Nri...because I am so sensitive to it. I'm on Lexapro.. (many car accidents...can cause depression and in turn bipolar disorder) but it all comes from the hormonal imbalance (everything we put into our bodies turns in to some chemical compound. some of them effect our hormones.. In fact most of them do if you look at what you eat.) I cannot say what will work for you, I can say what has worked for me and If you wake up swampy like I had for 6-8 months and still cannot get enough sleep to sustain a human life. It is more than just 1 thing. Jennifer Jan Gifford wrote: > > I don't post often here, but I do read. I have a question that has been > puzzling me and is making me miserable. Some background info. I had a > complete hysterectomy in '91 (age 38) and was on lowest possible dose of > estrogen until 5 years ago. Gradually went off over a period of 6 months > with no problems. In 2001 I was in an auto accident and since have had > numerous problems (back, neck and shoulder injury as well as closed head > injury). Currently I am treated with a Duragesic patch (literally saved my > life 2 yrs ago), vicodin and Cymbalta. I thought the Cymbalta was causing > me to have the sweats and then chills. This has been going on almost a > year. > I cut back to ½ the Cymbalta dose, but the sweats/chills continue. My drs. > don't seem to think my problem is menopausal. I AM MISERABLE!!!! This is > not helping my depression/pain cycle either. I am at my wits end. Does > anyone have any suggestions? > > BTW, no, I can't afford acupuncture and insurance doesn't cover it. We > will > be checking into a different ins. Co. when it is time for DH to have open > enrollment at his work, though. I would appreciate any ideas you have to > offer. I will also be making another dr. appt. this next week. TIA > > Jan G > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Oh, tell me about not getting enough sleep! I have sooo much trouble sleeping - pain tends to really creep in when I try to relax. OK, I was on Lexapro about 14 years ago (issue with my father/alzheimers, etc) so maybe I'll try that again. I was on Effexor earlier and had similar problem (sweats/chills) then too - I forgot about that one! Oh, how I wish I could just turn the clock back to 10/18/01 and change the next day! Thanks for the advice, Jennifer. Jan G _____ On Behalf Of Jennifer Janek-Markey Monday, January 14, 2008 8:21 AM Re: Sweats and Chills question Jan, It may be the Cymbalta. The reason I say this Is I was on Effexor and they are similar. They are both SSRI and Norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors. The thing is that because it is such a small dose in their opinion it can't be the Cymbalta. But if you look at the clinical side effects you will see that it indeed does cause sweats. (Heck my doctor put me on Lithium and it made my hair fall out and over a period of 30 years in practice he had not had 1 person other than me have that side effect.) I weaned myself off the Effexor and the sweats stopped. Also have your thyroid checked. that too can cause the sweats and chills. My dr. will not put me on Cymbalta for the fact that it is a Nri...because I am so sensitive to it. I'm on Lexapro.. (many car accidents...can cause depression and in turn bipolar disorder) but it all comes from the hormonal imbalance (everything we put into our bodies turns in to some chemical compound. some of them effect our hormones.. In fact most of them do if you look at what you eat.) I cannot say what will work for you, I can say what has worked for me and If you wake up swampy like I had for 6-8 months and still cannot get enough sleep to sustain a human life. It is more than just 1 thing. Jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hi, Jan! Dede here! I've been off the group for a while going through my own health issues. Even though it's been a while since you've been off the estrogen, our bodies store it in our fat cells. It may be that your body has been slowly depleted of estrogen over the past five years. And someone mentioned getting your thyroid checked. Excellent suggestion. As we grow older our thyroid will sometimes conk out. I'm not really anti or pro drug, but I am for searching for answers and things that work. I know the past couple of years have been extremely hard on me emotionally, physically and financially. The older one gets, the more toll it takes. I'm no longer all that brave to go without certain pharmaceutical accoutrements! ;-) Get some blood work done! Dede , " Jan Gifford " <jangiff wrote: > > I don't post often here, but I do read. I have a question that has been > puzzling me and is making me miserable. Some background info. I had a > complete hysterectomy in '91 (age 38) and was on lowest possible dose of > estrogen until 5 years ago. Gradually went off over a period of 6 months > with no problems. In 2001 I was in an auto accident and since have had > numerous problems (back, neck and shoulder injury as well as closed head > injury). Currently I am treated with a Duragesic patch (literally saved my > life 2 yrs ago), vicodin and Cymbalta. I thought the Cymbalta was causing > me to have the sweats and then chills. This has been going on almost a year. > I cut back to ½ the Cymbalta dose, but the sweats/chills continue. My drs. > don't seem to think my problem is menopausal. I AM MISERABLE!!!! This is > not helping my depression/pain cycle either. I am at my wits end. Does > anyone have any suggestions? > > > > BTW, no, I can't afford acupuncture and insurance doesn't cover it. We will > be checking into a different ins. Co. when it is time for DH to have open > enrollment at his work, though. I would appreciate any ideas you have to > offer. I will also be making another dr. appt. this next week. TIA > > > > Jan G > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Thyroid was checked late summer - fine! Thanks for the suggestion, though, Dede! Jan G _____ On Behalf Of edgetexlady Monday, January 14, 2008 1:04 PM Re: Sweats and Chills question Hi, Jan! Dede here! I've been off the group for a while going through my own health issues. Even though it's been a while since you've been off the estrogen, our bodies store it in our fat cells. It may be that your body has been slowly depleted of estrogen over the past five years. And someone mentioned getting your thyroid checked. Excellent suggestion. As we grow older our thyroid will sometimes conk out. I'm not really anti or pro drug, but I am for searching for answers and things that work. I know the past couple of years have been extremely hard on me emotionally, physically and financially. The older one gets, the more toll it takes. I'm no longer all that brave to go without certain pharmaceutical accoutrements! ;-) Get some blood work done! Dede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 OK Jan, Here's the thing- - whatever happened on 10/19/01 set up a chain of events- I'm hearing past issues with depression, issues with father and alzheimer dementia, a car accident- head injury- more depression- antidepressants- side effects, poor sleep, anxiety, not to mention Menopausal sx...have you tried counseling/therapy/energy work /diet/exercise - with the right supports in place, possibly consider weaning off the antidepressant....can you get out of the house? do you have contacts for support services in your area? Janice -------------- Original message -------------- " Jan Gifford " <jangiff Oh, tell me about not getting enough sleep! I have sooo much trouble sleeping - pain tends to really creep in when I try to relax. OK, I was on Lexapro about 14 years ago (issue with my father/alzheimers, etc) so maybe I'll try that again. I was on Effexor earlier and had similar problem (sweats/chills) then too - I forgot about that one! Oh, how I wish I could just turn the clock back to 10/18/01 and change the next day! Thanks for the advice, Jennifer. Jan G _____ On Behalf Of Jennifer Janek-Markey Monday, January 14, 2008 8:21 AM Re: Sweats and Chills question Jan, It may be the Cymbalta. The reason I say this Is I was on Effexor and they are similar. They are both SSRI and Norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors. The thing is that because it is such a small dose in their opinion it can't be the Cymbalta. But if you look at the clinical side effects you will see that it indeed does cause sweats. (Heck my doctor put me on Lithium and it made my hair fall out and over a period of 30 years in practice he had not had 1 person other than me have that side effect.) I weaned myself off the Effexor and the sweats stopped. Also have your thyroid checked. that too can cause the sweats and chills. My dr. will not put me on Cymbalta for the fact that it is a Nri...because I am so sensitive to it. I'm on Lexapro.. (many car accidents...can cause depression and in turn bipolar disorder) but it all comes from the hormonal imbalance (everything we put into our bodies turns in to some chemical compound. some of them effect our hormones.. In fact most of them do if you look at what you eat.) I cannot say what will work for you, I can say what has worked for me and If you wake up swampy like I had for 6-8 months and still cannot get enough sleep to sustain a human life. It is more than just 1 thing. Jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hi Jan, The trauma of the TBI can have dramatic effects on the brain that ripple out to the body with pain cycles and so many other symptoms. Sweats and heat waves are not just from hormone imbalances. My highest recommendation is to try LENS for your situation, Low Energy Neurofeedback System. It works miracles for people who have experienced TBIs and who've gotten stuck in these cycles - it uniquely helps the brain get out of it's stuck pattern and become more flexible. If you want to read about it, Stephen Larsen has a book out about it that you might get through your library: The Healing Power of Neurofeedback: The Revolutionary LENS Technique for Restoring Optimal Brain Function You can find practitioners by visiting ochslabs.com - I would encourage you to see if you can work out an arrangement with one for a trial... it's usually offered by psychologists... Best wishes, Jackie , " Jan Gifford " <jangiff wrote: > > I don't post often here, but I do read. I have a question that has been > puzzling me and is making me miserable. Some background info. I had a > complete hysterectomy in '91 (age 38) and was on lowest possible dose of > estrogen until 5 years ago. Gradually went off over a period of 6 months > with no problems. In 2001 I was in an auto accident and since have had > numerous problems (back, neck and shoulder injury as well as closed head > injury). Currently I am treated with a Duragesic patch (literally saved my > life 2 yrs ago), vicodin and Cymbalta. I thought the Cymbalta was causing > me to have the sweats and then chills. This has been going on almost a year. > I cut back to ½ the Cymbalta dose, but the sweats/chills continue. My drs. > don't seem to think my problem is menopausal. I AM MISERABLE!!!! This is > not helping my depression/pain cycle either. I am at my wits end. Does > anyone have any suggestions? > > > > BTW, no, I can't afford acupuncture and insurance doesn't cover it. We will > be checking into a different ins. Co. when it is time for DH to have open > enrollment at his work, though. I would appreciate any ideas you have to > offer. I will also be making another dr. appt. this next week. TIA > > > > Jan G > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Another thing, Jan. Vitamin B12 helps with depression. Pardon me if this has already been mentioned. Elmira Jan Gifford <jangiff wrote: _____ On Behalf Of edgetexlady Monday, January 14, 2008 1:04 PM Re: Sweats and Chills question Hi, Jan! Dede here! I've been off the group for a while going through my own health issues. Even though it's been a while since you've been off the estrogen, our bodies store it in our fat cells. It may be that your body has been slowly depleted of estrogen over the past five years. And someone mentioned getting your thyroid checked. Excellent suggestion. As we grow older our thyroid will sometimes conk out. I'm not really anti or pro drug, but I am for searching for answers and things that work. I know the past couple of years have been extremely hard on me emotionally, physically and financially. The older one gets, the more toll it takes. I'm no longer all that brave to go without certain pharmaceutical accoutrements! ;-) Get some blood work done! Dede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Had to laugh when I read this! I was raised as an only child in a physically abusive household. Father beat me black and blue at age 19. Swore that would be the last time! Ok, got married, three children, everything fine. I never had to work outside the home, but I did teach myself (and took some adult ed computer classes) and went to work as a secretary once my youngest started school. On 10/19/01 I was admin asst. in an international educational research facility. Basically I ran the department! Then I was riding along as our youngest son was taking his driving test and an idiot didn't pay attention as he got on the freeway and hit us in the right rear which spun us sideways - he hit us again broadside and we rolled over several times into the ditch. Ido have hobbies - I like to make my own toiletries, sew, machine embroidery, and lots of other stuff. I just don't have the energy/desire. I go to sewing classes at least twice a month, too. I also see a psychiatrist. I'm trying to do all the right things, but just can't seem to get back on track! LOL I went this afternoon for injections in my back so that will help for a couple weeks. I really appreciate all the ideas and concern shown here. Thanks you guys! Jan G _____ On Behalf Of jgwarr Monday, January 14, 2008 2:49 PM RE: Sweats and Chills question OK Jan, Here's the thing- - whatever happened on 10/19/01 set up a chain of events- I'm hearing past issues with depression, issues with father and alzheimer dementia, a car accident- head injury- more depression- antidepressants- side effects, poor sleep, anxiety, not to mention Menopausal sx...have you tried counseling/therapy/energy work /diet/exercise - with the right supports in place, possibly consider weaning off the antidepressant....can you get out of the house? do you have contacts for support services in your area? Janice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 great idea on the vit bs vitamin b 6 does too. what you have to make sure of with the b's make sure they are all in balance or the result is not what you want. Cath Believe with an Open Heart and Mind --Cathy L. Kaiser Art websites: www.kaisercreations.com http://artwanted.com/artist.cfm?ArtID=35815 & Tab=SlideShow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Phil Bate, PhD, has developed a Neuroliminal version of neurofeedback brain training. It is a CD of specific frequencies that is played during sleep to help re-set brain waves. It is much cheaper than neurofeedback. Bate became a clinical psychologist after being an electrical engineer. He has decades of experience with NFB. See _www.drbate.com_ (http://www.drbate.com) mjh Posted by: " Jackie " _jackiedevries _ (jackiedevries?Subject= Re:%20Sweats%20and%20Chills%20question) _jackiedevries _ (http://profiles./jackiedevries) Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:26 pm (PST) Hi Jan, The trauma of the TBI can have dramatic effects on the brain that ripple out to the body with pain cycles and so many other symptoms. Sweats and heat waves are not just from hormone imbalances. My highest recommendation is to try LENS for your situation, Low Energy Neurofeedback System. It works miracles for people who have experienced TBIs and who've gotten stuck in these cycles - it uniquely helps the brain get out of it's stuck pattern and become more flexible. If you want to read about it, Stephen Larsen has a book out about it that you might get through your library: The Healing Power of Neurofeedback: The Revolutionary LENS Technique for Restoring Optimal Brain Function You can find practitioners by visiting ochslabs.com - I would encourage you to see if you can work out an arrangement with one for a trial... it's usually offered by psychologists.ca Best wishes, Jackie **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 HI Jan, Life can be so traumatic...I'm so sorry to read about your early abusive relationship with your father...interesting that he got dementia and you got depressed./...did you have a chance to work out any of your issues with him before he got dementia? Glad to hear you're seeing a psychiatrist...let him know about the sweats/ chills....suggest a new med trial for depression.....can you get out and take a daily walk? how is your diet? Janice -------------- Original message -------------- " Jan Gifford " <jangiff Had to laugh when I read this! I was raised as an only child in a physically abusive household. Father beat me black and blue at age 19. Swore that would be the last time! Ok, got married, three children, everything fine. I never had to work outside the home, but I did teach myself (and took some adult ed computer classes) and went to work as a secretary once my youngest started school. On 10/19/01 I was admin asst. in an international educational research facility. Basically I ran the department! Then I was riding along as our youngest son was taking his driving test and an idiot didn't pay attention as he got on the freeway and hit us in the right rear which spun us sideways - he hit us again broadside and we rolled over several times into the ditch. Ido have hobbies - I like to make my own toiletries, sew, machine embroidery, and lots of other stuff. I just don't have the energy/desire. I go to sewing classes at least twice a month, too. I also see a psychiatrist. I'm trying to do all the right things, but just can't seem to get back on track! LOL I went this afternoon for injections in my back so that will help for a couple weeks. I really appreciate all the ideas and concern shown here. Thanks you guys! Jan G _____ On Behalf Of jgwarr Monday, January 14, 2008 2:49 PM RE: Sweats and Chills question OK Jan, Here's the thing- - whatever happened on 10/19/01 set up a chain of events- I'm hearing past issues with depression, issues with father and alzheimer dementia, a car accident- head injury- more depression- antidepressants- side effects, poor sleep, anxiety, not to mention Menopausal sx...have you tried counseling/therapy/energy work /diet/exercise - with the right supports in place, possibly consider weaning off the antidepressant....can you get out of the house? do you have contacts for support services in your area? Janice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Hey, Janice! Uh-oh! So you're the ONE who wrote about the raindrop therapy?? (way to go!) I sent that info to a friend of mine a couple of year ago that had been impressed with their oils. I don't know whether or not it made any impression on her, but at least it tried to educate her. Dede , jgwarr wrote: > > Hi Jan, > > I just recently rejoined this group after being away for a couple of years due to a way too busy life- work-house-kids-etc.... it's good to be back and see all the familiar names .....I am a registered psychiatric /Holistic nurse and a registered aromatherapist...my aromatherapy claim to fame is coauthoring the infamous " RDT White Paper " ...I integrate essential oils and energy therapies into my nursing practice ..I also have a private healing practice and I teach aromatherapy to health professionals - and to anyone else who will listen...!! I recently successfully treated a huge Upper respiratory infecton I had with good old oregano essential oil!!! after the first dose, I was on the mend..within 3 days, I was totally better.....I also had a case of shingles over Christmas, and successfully treated with ravensara aromatica and citrus bergamia in Tamanu oil... > > My question to you, Jan, is how long have you been on the cymbalta? > How much vicodan are you using, and do you have any other medical problems? > Janice Gagnon-Warr > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Jan, I too went through a series of events similar (elderly mother has stroke, lady hits my car and totals it, I have knee surgery). I'm 58, and these things take their toll when they happen one after the other. During my journey to discover what was up with me (sweats, fatigue, stomach pains) I joined a bunch of : lupus (I've had lupus since 1991, was it taking a new course??); thyroid groups (I've been on supplements since 1980, needs change as we age). It was on one of the lupus groups that I discovered it might be a wheat/gluten problem, so I joined the Silly Yak and quit eating wheat/gluten. My stomach pains went away, as did the sweats and fatigue, but returned within about six weeks. I then quit all grains, lost some weight and felt pretty good. I recently mentioned it to my chiropractor who arranged for me to get food sensitivity tests done. The tests came back reactive to eggs, yeast, tomatoes, potatoes, and some other things -- all of which were major staples in my diet. I've since learned that egg sensitivity (not to be confused with allergy) can cause ezcema. I've cut stuff out of my diet. After several months I can cautiously reintroduce them, but only eat them occasionally. I learned that after a series of traumatic events, one's body can develop sensitivies due to the long term stressors. Any way, just one more thing to consider. I'm not on those groups any more, feeling much better and starting to get back into my herbs and things. Dede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Jan I've been through some similar situations after a car accident and the death of my mother.Unfortunately it took me years to find out that thyroid was shocked after these events and I needed thyroid medication not prozac or therapy. A traumatic event and or daily stress can lower the thyroid .I know you said you had yours checked but standard testing as in yhr TSH is almost a waste of time. For many reasons in todays world the standard lab testing is not finding the problem and so many people are walking around in a sub clinical state of low thyroid. Often times a car accident will also precede fibro which most of the time is caused by the low thyroid from the trauma Problem is most drs don't have a clue. Dr John Lowe www.drlowe.com has done extensive work on low thyroid and fibro,and thyroid resistance which will not show up on lab testing either.He wrote a book called " The Terror of the TSH " as he has seen the damage done by drs misdiagnosing in epidemic proportions due to using this inadequate method.Drs have a tendency to treat lab tests not patients.Depression is also a major symptom of low thyroid Other reasons for low thyroid include iodine deficiency toxins such as amalgam/silver fillings,fluoride,chlorine and bromine and or other toxins. Drugs like Prozac contain fluoride which makes the low thyroid worse. Also Effexor,Xanax and Tamiflu contain PCP.Have you heard the news release on Tamiflu,that it might cause a psychological " event " ......DUH Xanax is also know to cause psychological events. I would not rely on antidepressants unless you are in a life threatening situation and need something to get you to the other side.They are dangerous. First find out the cause of the depression and treat that. 5 HTP is a natural serotonin booster,safe and cheap and really works. http://www.5htp.com/ St Johnswort might help but I think 5HTP is more effective. Here is a resource on the metabolic reasons for depression. http://www.gdx.net/home/assessments/finddisease/depression I would do a morning temp for about 7 days and if you are still having periods ,don't do it in the two weeks prior because of elevated temps due to ovulation. Then I would have a complete thyroid work up including free T3,reverseT3 and thryoid antibodies. Then I would also do a saliva panel for female hormones,adrenal panel and mineral and toxic elements hair analysis. These will give you a really good idea of what is going on,Also check out low thyroid symptoms and see how many you have.This website will explain a lot of what I have said here. and give you an extensive list of thyroid symptoms http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ Please don't think that I am dismissing emotional reasons for depression but if the metabolic issues are addressed,the depression in most cases will be greatly lessened or resolved all together. Have you tried doing a morning temperature? This is one of the best indicators of your metabolic state.Anything under 97.8 is hypo metabolism and usually caused by low thyroid and adrenal fatigue. Drs and patients tend to blame the car accident for all the problems that come on afterward but often times your body was barely maintaining a state of normalcy and the car accident or emotional event pushed it over the edge . Can you find a good alternative practitioner? They are usually more aware of these issues and look for causes rather than band aids. Hope this helps let me know if you have any questions. Chantal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Interesting!! I'mgoing to my dr. tomorrow. Without the Cymbalta the depression is definitely getting worse and all this other stuff isn't helping. I just can't keep going like this - something has to give. Thanks to all for the advice/suggestions! I'm going to try to find out what is going on. I was diagnosed with lupus about 25 yrs ago, but then the drs. decided that wasn't so. I take MSM daily, too. Jan G _____ On Behalf Of edgetexlady Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:40 AM Re: Sweats and Chills question Jan, I too went through a series of events similar (elderly mother has stroke, lady hits my car and totals it, I have knee surgery). I'm 58, and these things take their toll when they happen one after the other. During my journey to discover what was up with me (sweats, fatigue, stomach pains) I joined a bunch of : lupus (I've had lupus since 1991, was it taking a new course??); thyroid groups (I've been on supplements since 1980, needs change as we age). It was on one of the lupus groups that I discovered it might be a wheat/gluten problem, so I joined the Silly Yak and quit eating wheat/gluten. My stomach pains went away, as did the sweats and fatigue, but returned within about six weeks. I then quit all grains, lost some weight and felt pretty good. I recently mentioned it to my chiropractor who arranged for me to get food sensitivity tests done. The tests came back reactive to eggs, yeast, tomatoes, potatoes, and some other things -- all of which were major staples in my diet. I've since learned that egg sensitivity (not to be confused with allergy) can cause ezcema. I've cut stuff out of my diet. After several months I can cautiously reintroduce them, but only eat them occasionally. I learned that after a series of traumatic events, one's body can develop sensitivies due to the long term stressors. Any way, just one more thing to consider. I'm not on those groups any more, feeling much better and starting to get back into my herbs and things. Dede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Jan, The sweats aren't getting any better off the cymbalta. I feel for you I had my Dr. put me on lithium and my hair started falling out and I said.. So sorry. I'm a wee bit too vain for that. I'd rather shave my head and wear wigs. Just talk to your doctor and tell them everything that's going on, even if it doesn't seem like much it could be the difference between finding out what's going on and suffering through something you don't have to... But again... Everyone is a little different.. I know that my night sweats do get worse closer to my period. Here's hoping that things go better for you. Jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 In reverse order: 1. My diet could certainly be a lot better. 2. Problems/pain with my back make a lot of walking painful - I can't even enjoy going to the mall anymore! I also fell in 2003 and broke my right leg in 3 places and had a metal rod put in. It gives me grief, too. 3. No, I never resolved anything with my father - first of all, he would never admit he had done anything wrong! NEVER!! My mother stood and watched him beat me when I was 19. I've pretty much resolved all that - don't like it, but not much to be done about it. She is in an assisted living and she thinks everything was perfect so you can't really resolve anything with people like that. Jan G _____ On Behalf Of jgwarr Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:29 AM RE: Sweats and Chills question HI Jan, Life can be so traumatic...I'm so sorry to read about your early abusive relationship with your father...interesting that he got dementia and you got depressed./...did you have a chance to work out any of your issues with him before he got dementia? Glad to hear you're seeing a psychiatrist...let him know about the sweats/ chills....suggest a new med trial for depression.....can you get out and take a daily walk? how is your diet? Janice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 That can be a rebound reaction to drug withdrawal. Magnesium is known to be helpful. see _www.naturalcalm.net_ (http://www.naturalcalm.net) _http://george-eby-research.com/html/depression-anxiety.html_ (http://george-eby-research.com/html/depression-anxiety.html) as well as fish oil, see Andrew Stoll, MD. In the realm of amino acids....... SAM-e, DLPA, d-phenylalanine, l-Tryptophan, 5-htp for mild to moderate (not clinical depression) think St John's Wort, lavendar and a few others. Hope this helps mjh Posted by: " Jan Gifford " _jangiff _ (jangiff?Subject= Re:%20Sweats%20and%20Chills%20question) _jangiff _ (http://profiles./jangiff) Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:20 am (PST) Interesting!Interesting!<WBR>! I'mgoing to my dr. tomorrow. Without depression is definitely getting worse and all this other stuff isn't helping. I just can't keep going like this - something has to give. Thanks to all for the advice/suggestions! I'm going to try to find out what is going on. I was diagnosed with lupus about 25 yrs ago, but then the drs. decided that wasn't so. I take MSM daily, too. Jan G _____ **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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