Psychiatric Drugs and School Shootings OT

[Guest guest]

Mike Adams has done some good reporting on the connection between

kids/psychiatric drugs and homicidal tendencies. Good read.

http://www.naturalnews.com/022656.html

 

Be well,

Marcia Elston

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[Guest guest]

Yup. Guns don't kill people.

Guns in the hands of people whose brain got

messed around by SSRI anti-depressants kill

people.

 

The moment we hear of another one of these

tragic cases we (my DH and I) look at each

other and ask: " which one was he on? "

And sure enough, a few days later the telltale

words are used, but the connection is rarely

made..

 

How much longer does this have to go on?

For in-depth coverage on the topic, Dr. Ann

Blake Tracy has been on the job for years.

http://drugawareness.org

 

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[Guest guest]

Marcia Elston <samara wrote: Mike

Adams has done some good reporting on the connection between

kids/psychiatric drugs and homicidal tendencies. Good read.

http://www.naturalnews.com/022656.html

 

Be well,

Marcia Elston

 

 

 

The problem with this argument is that the young man was off his meds at the

time, which leads a person to believe that it was the lack of medication that

caused the problem rather than the other way around. Besides, often in cases

like this, the person is suffering from some type of psychosis needing treatment

with drugs other than just anti-depressants, but the doctors miss these symptoms

and things get out of hand. Natural substances are drugs just like synthetic

substances, so the argument that medications are bad just because they are

synthetic is a fallacy. While I certainly believe that nature provides us with

some of our best medicine, I don't think it is logical to exclude all else from

the medicine cabinet. If I didn't take psychiatric medication, I would not be

able to function normally. It is not the drugs causing the behavior, it is a

lack of the correct medication that allows the illness to cause these behaviors.

 

Ida Iwanier

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Marcia Elston <samara wrote: Mike

Adams has done some good reporting on the connection between

kids/psychiatric drugs and homicidal tendencies. Good read.

http://www.naturalnews.com/022656.html

 

Be well,

Marcia Elston

 

 

 

One more comment: The media loves to find " a cause " , especially something

sensational to sell their publications. I used to believe these types of stories

myself, it sounded so very logical, but then I had personal experience with

mental illness and the medications prescribed for it, and I now know that these

stories are not accurate nor are they scientific.

 

 

Ida

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The problem with this argument is that the young man was off his meds at

the time, which leads a person to believe that it was the lack of

medication that caused the problem rather than the other way around.

Besides, often in cases like this, the person is suffering from some

type of psychosis needing treatment with drugs other than just

anti-depressants, but the doctors miss these symptoms and things get out

of hand. Natural substances are drugs just like synthetic substances, so

the argument that medications are bad just because they are synthetic is

a fallacy. While I certainly believe that nature provides us with some

of our best medicine, I don't think it is logical to exclude all else

from the medicine cabinet. If I didn't take psychiatric medication, I

would not be able to function normally. It is not the drugs causing the

behavior, it is a lack of the correct medication that allows the illness

to cause these behaviors.

 

Ida Iwanier

 

 

I like you Ida have to make sure that I take my meds... Otherwise, if I

get in to my car and drive, I'm putting my kids and the rest of the

world at risk for major collision (ADHD... severe...)

 

The whole thing is anyone can spin any story to their advantage. The

point is that as humans we know very little at all about what causes

some of the problems we are faced with, and rather than take time...

(which some of us don't have or cannot conceivably make time) to deal

with the problems because life happens and we don't want to miss out on

it, or can't etc... we do what works for someone else. Which sometimes

works for us, but sometimes it doesn't, and the problem is that some

people have way too much invested in " feeling human " as opposed to

feeling like a zombie...I agree that some situations call for natural

medicines, crisis situations some times call for allopathics....

unfortunately... it also takes a while sometimes for either of them to

do any good. So it doesn't matter if the child is on or off meds. If

they have some sort of mental illness it is the responsibility of the

parent to say.. Hey.. My child isn't .... (fill in the blank) and if

the parent isn't taking responsibility for some of the situation.. then

the child is not going to understand that they too have to take

responsibility. It doesn't matter what you have. You have a

responsibility if you live on planet earth to not kill your fellow human

no matter what your " issue " is.

And if you do take another's life. You have the responsibility... No

matter what state you were in to pay the penalty for that. Ie. If you

were " psychotic " when you did it you should go to the psychiatric

hospital.. It's not a judgment of who you are, but what you did...

 

Life is not personal.. It happens to everyone... Some of us deal better

with it than others, it doesn't mean we are better people. It just

means we were given or found better tools and used them.

 

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> One more comment: The media loves to find " a cause " , especially

something sensational to sell their publications. I used to believe

these types of stories myself, it sounded so very logical, but then I

had personal experience with mental illness and the medications

prescribed for it, and I now know that these stories are not accurate

nor are they scientific.

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Exactly. It helps us all to sleep a little better at night as long

as we know there was a " cause " . Having worked in mental health for

years (including a year at a hospital), sometimes, there is no

reason. All medications have side effects, but they're different for

everybody (read the list of potential side effects on a bottle of

aspirin). I used to discredit meds for the longest time. I've come

to the conclusion that natural/herbal remedies are good for those

with " less serious " symtpoms of conditions. But when you get into

the clinical level stuff, then you need to start looking to something

stronger. I know of a case or two where terrible outcomes could have

been prevented, but the person wasn't taking care of themselves

properly.

 

 

Christa, the Squirrely One

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Ida and all,

 

Nobody was saying that SSRIs should never be used.

If your experience with anti-depressants was positive,

praise the Lord and pass the Prozac.

Life is too short and precious for ideological battles.

 

This does not happen to everyone.

But it does happen, often enough that a pattern

is becoming visible. The fact that the unfortunate young

man had just stopped taking his meds is not an argument

for their safety.

 

A warning against stopping suddenly is the first thing one

sees at the website of Dr, Ann Blake Tracy.

 

As for the question: " Is this scientifically proven? "

The answer is: " Not yet. "

 

Scientific research always starts with observation.

Like Ignaz Semmelweiss noticing that the obstetrical ward

run by the nuns had fewer deaths from childbed fever.

He didn't know why, he just noticed.

 

The study of the long term effects of SSRIs is a work

in process.

Observations on SSRIs are being made here.

http://drugawareness.org

 

Ien in the Kootenays

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