The Microwave question, please join the experiment!

[Guest guest]

Who wants to be a Myth Buster?

Or a Myth Prover as the case may be.

 

Opinions on the microwave vary widely.

Is it a harmless boon to harried families, or an evil

contraption that takes the life right out of food?

Who do we believe? Read on, a simple experiment is

available.

 

Is it true that microwaved water kills the ability of

seeds to sprout? Don't take anyone's word for it,

try it!

 

Buy a few jiffy pellets and plant some seeds that

sprout easily, like radishes or peas.

Put both sets side by side in the same place in

separate trays, a deep plate will do.

Water one set with ordinary water and one set

with water that has been heated in the microwave

and then cooled.

If there is a difference it should be visible in a

week. I can't do this, since I don't have a microwave,

but I am sincerely curious to see how this works.

 

Why is it so important that many people do this?

 

If I have learned one thing after years of self

study in health matters, it is that the words

" studies show " are utterly meaningless.

 

One has to ask : " How was the study set up?

Could other conclusions be drawn from the same

data?

Who financed it? Who analyzed and judged it? "

 

Studies can be designed to prove just about anything,

like the ones that supposedly proved that Echinacea

doesn't work.

Dr. Jon Barron did a great job taking that bit of poor

science to pieces, bless him. His article is here:

http://tinyurl.com/4rqhyl

 

A true scientist learns how to analyze and judge the

quality of the study itself. But most of us don't have

the understanding or the time to do that.

So we are left between blind faith or total scepticism,

not knowing what or who to believe anymore.

We may get tempted to pick and choose the research

that confirms our own prejudice or interest.

 

Well, on this small topic at least we can do our own

science.

Please report to the group?

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com (blog)

http://wildhealing.net (Rainforest Herbs)

http://wildwholefoods.net (AFA algae)

 

 

[Guest guest]

Of course a microwave will prevent seeds from growing. Microwaves

have the ability to disrupt DNA. Since replication of DNA is

necessary for growth, growth is inhibited. This is why a microwave

can be used to sterilize things - it will destroy the bacteria

living in a solution. This does not have a negative effect

nutritionally though, because all the nutrients are still there,

available for the body to digest them into smaller molecules that

can be absorbed by the digestive tract. But, if you are trying to

grow sprouts, I would not recommend microwaving them first.

 

Microwaves however that are produced by cell phones may be of

concern though - since we want the DNA in our bodies to stay in tact

and our cells capable of reproducing correctly. Although there has

never been a strong link established between cell phones and cancer

this may be because of the fact that wide use of cell phones has not

been going on long enough yet to cause cancer - cancer is a

multistep process that can take 20+ years to evolve, making its

cause difficult to discern.

 

Cindy Jones

Sagescript Institute, llc

http://www.sagescript.com

 

 

>

> Is it true that microwaved water kills the ability of

> seeds to sprout? Don't take anyone's word for it,

> try it!

>

> Buy a few jiffy pellets and plant some seeds that

> sprout easily, like radishes or peas.

> Put both sets side by side in the same place in

> separate trays, a deep plate will do.

> Water one set with ordinary water and one set

> with water that has been heated in the microwave

> and then cooled.

> If there is a difference it should be visible in a

> week. I can't do this, since I don't have a microwave,

> but I am sincerely curious to see how this works.

>

> Why is it so important that many people do this?

>

> If I have learned one thing after years of self

> study in health matters, it is that the words

> " studies show " are utterly meaningless.

>

> One has to ask : " How was the study set up?

> Could other conclusions be drawn from the same

> data?

> Who financed it? Who analyzed and judged it? "

>

> Studies can be designed to prove just about anything,

> like the ones that supposedly proved that Echinacea

> doesn't work.

> Dr. Jon Barron did a great job taking that bit of poor

> science to pieces, bless him. His article is here:

> http://tinyurl.com/4rqhyl

>

> A true scientist learns how to analyze and judge the

> quality of the study itself. But most of us don't have

> the understanding or the time to do that.

> So we are left between blind faith or total scepticism,

> not knowing what or who to believe anymore.

> We may get tempted to pick and choose the research

> that confirms our own prejudice or interest.

>

> Well, on this small topic at least we can do our own

> science.

> Please report to the group?

>

> Ien in the Kootenays

> http://freegreenliving.com (blog)

> http://wildhealing.net (Rainforest Herbs)

> http://wildwholefoods.net (AFA algae)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Len,

 

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Ieneke van Houten <ienvan wrote:

 

> Who wants to be a Myth Buster?

> Or a Myth Prover as the case may be.

 

 

We've already done this little experiment in my household ... when my

younger boy was in elementary.

He went a step further, tho ... he grew three seedlings (pea) until they

were approx 10 cm tall using only tap water.

He then swtiched to watering one seedling exclusively with microwaved water,

one exclusively with purified water (reverse osmosis),

and one (control) he continued to water with regular tap water.

He ran the experiment for 30 days.

 

It is true ... the microwaved water contains nothing the poor little

seedling could use. The poor little thing died off within a very short time.

Interestingly (but not necessarily surprisingly) the filtered water seedling

grew the best.

 

You should also look into some of the photographs taken by Dr. Masaru Emoto

for an illustration of what irradiation does to water.

 

In my nutrition class (as part of my 3000 hr massage therapy diploma), we

were taught that the process of microwaving food causes a change on the

atomic level in the substances being exposed. It plasticised them (in a

manner of speaking), the actual chemistry behind it was not what we were

studying ... but it actually rendered them into a form that the body could

not really use ... any more than we could use

 

Is there a correlation between the use of microwaves (and overly processed

commertial foodstuffs) and the rise of cancers, food allergies, obesity, and

other illnesses?

 

I'm sold ... we haven't owned a microwave in years ...

 

 

--

_________________

Slán

Medb

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~ Go dtugtar breith orainn dá réir ár ngníomhartha. ~

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It sounded to me like Ien was not suggesting

microwaving the seeds themselves but just the water

used to water them. Do you think that would have any

effect on the plants?

 

Patty

--- Cindy Jones <cindyjones1 wrote:

 

> Of course a microwave will prevent seeds from

> growing. Microwaves

> have the ability to disrupt DNA. Since replication

> of DNA is

> necessary for growth, growth is inhibited.

 

 

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heh..im gonna try this when i get home,since im now curious myself.Will post my

results!

Nannette

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Cindy,

 

I do NOT own or want a microwave.

I am just trying to foster the spirit

of true independent research.

 

Indeed, the idea was not to microwave the seeds, just to water them with water

that has been microwaved.

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com (blog)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Patty wrote:

It sounded to me like Ien was not suggesting

microwaving the seeds themselves but just the water

used to water them. Do you think that would have any effect on the plants?>

 

Patty, there might not be any plants. That is the whole point of the exercise.

To test for ourselves if it is true that seeds won't sprout when exposed to

micrwaved water.

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com (blog)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Medb a Damhan wrote:

 

<We've already done this little experiment in my household ... when my

younger boy was in elementary.

He went a step further, tho ... he grew three seedlings (pea) until they

were approx 10 cm tall using only tap water.

He then swtiched to watering one seedling exclusively with microwaved water,

one exclusively with purified water (reverse osmosis),

and one (control) he continued to water with regular tap water.

He ran the experiment for 30 days.

 

It is true ... the microwaved water contains nothing the poor little

seedling could use. The poor little thing died off within a very short time.

Interestingly (but not necessarily surprisingly) the filtered water seedling

grew the best.>

 

What a great story! That is the sort of hands-on

experiment we need. Thanks for sharing.

 

<You should also look into some of the photographs taken by

Dr. Masaru Emoto for an illustration of what irradiation does to water.>

 

Dr. Emoto is wonderful. I have also heard that his

experiments are hard to duplicate, or impossible to

duplicate, so " hard scientists " remain sceptical.

The beauty about this seed experiment is that is

duplicatable and simple and we don't have to take

anyone's word for it.

 

Quite frankly, I am hoping that my scientist daughter

will throw out her microwave. But she needs PROOF.

So, bring out the jiffy pellets..

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

My guess would be that they died after receiving microwaved water

because it was too hot and it cooked the seed!

 

Cindy Jones

Sagescript Institute, llc

http://www.sagescript.com

 

> <We've already done this little experiment in my household ...

when my

> younger boy was in elementary.

> He went a step further, tho ... he grew three seedlings (pea)

until they

> were approx 10 cm tall using only tap water.

> He then swtiched to watering one seedling exclusively with

microwaved water,

> one exclusively with purified water (reverse osmosis),

> and one (control) he continued to water with regular tap water.

> He ran the experiment for 30 days.

>

> It is true ... the microwaved water contains nothing the poor

little

> seedling could use. The poor little thing died off within a very

short time.

> Interestingly (but not necessarily surprisingly) the filtered

water seedling

> grew the best.>

>

> What a great story! That is the sort of hands-on

> experiment we need. Thanks for sharing.

>

> <You should also look into some of the photographs taken by

> Dr. Masaru Emoto for an illustration of what irradiation does to

water.>

>

> Dr. Emoto is wonderful. I have also heard that his

> experiments are hard to duplicate, or impossible to

> duplicate, so " hard scientists " remain sceptical.

> The beauty about this seed experiment is that is

> duplicatable and simple and we don't have to take

> anyone's word for it.

>

> Quite frankly, I am hoping that my scientist daughter

> will throw out her microwave. But she needs PROOF.

> So, bring out the jiffy pellets..

>

> Ien in the Kootenays

> http://freegreenliving.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cindy Jones wrote:

My guess would be that they died after receiving microwaved water

because it was too hot and it cooked the seed!

 

I specifically said COOLED microwaved water.

 

 

[Guest guest]

The water isn't put on the seedlings while it is hot. You microwave the

water, set it aside and let it cool and then use it.

Zo

-

" Cindy Jones " <cindyjones1

 

Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:11 PM

Re: The Microwave question, please join the

experiment!

 

 

> My guess would be that they died after receiving microwaved water

> because it was too hot and it cooked the seed!

>

> Cindy Jones

> Sagescript Institute, llc

> http://www.sagescript.com

>

>> <We've already done this little experiment in my household ...

> when my

>> younger boy was in elementary.

>> He went a step further, tho ... he grew three seedlings (pea)

> until they

>> were approx 10 cm tall using only tap water.

>> He then swtiched to watering one seedling exclusively with

> microwaved water,

>> one exclusively with purified water (reverse osmosis),

>> and one (control) he continued to water with regular tap water.

>> He ran the experiment for 30 days.

>>

>> It is true ... the microwaved water contains nothing the poor

> little

>> seedling could use. The poor little thing died off within a very

> short time.

>> Interestingly (but not necessarily surprisingly) the filtered

> water seedling

>> grew the best.>

>>

>> What a great story! That is the sort of hands-on

>> experiment we need. Thanks for sharing.

>>

>> <You should also look into some of the photographs taken by

>> Dr. Masaru Emoto for an illustration of what irradiation does to

> water.>

>>

>> Dr. Emoto is wonderful. I have also heard that his

>> experiments are hard to duplicate, or impossible to

>> duplicate, so " hard scientists " remain sceptical.

>> The beauty about this seed experiment is that is

>> duplicatable and simple and we don't have to take

>> anyone's word for it.

>>

>> Quite frankly, I am hoping that my scientist daughter

>> will throw out her microwave. But she needs PROOF.

>> So, bring out the jiffy pellets..

>>

>> Ien in the Kootenays

>> http://freegreenliving.com

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Cindy Jones <cindyjones1 wrote:

 

> My guess would be that they died after receiving microwaved water

> because it was too hot and it cooked the seed!

 

 

Considering not all of us are addlepated and can grasp the concept that hot,

potentially boiling water

would be harmful to a seed, it might be nice to be credited with the wit to

cool the water before using.

 

 

 

--

_________________

Slán

Medb

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~ Go dtugtar breith orainn dá réir ár ngníomhartha. ~

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

So I understand about the different types of water.

Although no one mentioned using the following type of water supplies

for plants.

 

Boiled tap or boiled bottled or any of these waters - The microwave

water have been heated to boiling but what happens if you boil the

other sources of water, cool them and then use them to water the

plants?

 

What about water that has been through a water softener? or

collecting rain water - off the roof and/ or just let mother nature

fill the bucket with the rain and no run off?

 

I for one have seen the difference in using Distilled water (won't

grow a thing or grows it weakly and it was heated above boiling - to

steam), Rain water (great usually), Snow melted water (so-so can have

a lot of contaminates), Softner water (some plants thrive, others

barely, some not at all all depends on the plant being water).

 

How about bottled water that has been frozen and then thawed? I

read a study that says certain plastics when exposed to freezing

temps causes certain toxins to leach out into the bottle water,

making it a risk to health?

 

My point being, microwaving can do alot of damage to many things

food (high heat destroys many vitamins)? But is it the microwaving of

the water causing it to change or is it the boiling that alters it?

 

Just a few more things to think about. Lots of variables.

 

This is a fun experiment and thread - interesting to see what the

results will be.

 

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, " Ieneke van Houten "

<ienvan wrote:

>

> Who wants to be a Myth Buster?

> Or a Myth Prover as the case may be.

>

> Opinions on the microwave vary widely.

> Is it a harmless boon to harried families, or an evil

> contraption that takes the life right out of food?

> Who do we believe? Read on, a simple experiment is

> available.

>

> Is it true that microwaved water kills the ability of

> seeds to sprout? Don't take anyone's word for it,

> try it!

>

> Buy a few jiffy pellets and plant some seeds that

> sprout easily, like radishes or peas.

> Put both sets side by side in the same place in

> separate trays, a deep plate will do.

> Water one set with ordinary water and one set

> with water that has been heated in the microwave

> and then cooled.

> If there is a difference it should be visible in a

> week. I can't do this, since I don't have a microwave,

> but I am sincerely curious to see how this works.

>

> Why is it so important that many people do this?

>

> If I have learned one thing after years of self

> study in health matters, it is that the words

> " studies show " are utterly meaningless.

>

> One has to ask : " How was the study set up?

> Could other conclusions be drawn from the same

> data?

> Who financed it? Who analyzed and judged it? "

>

> Studies can be designed to prove just about anything,

> like the ones that supposedly proved that Echinacea

> doesn't work.

> Dr. Jon Barron did a great job taking that bit of poor

> science to pieces, bless him. His article is here:

> http://tinyurl.com/4rqhyl

>

> A true scientist learns how to analyze and judge the

> quality of the study itself. But most of us don't have

> the understanding or the time to do that.

> So we are left between blind faith or total scepticism,

> not knowing what or who to believe anymore.

> We may get tempted to pick and choose the research

> that confirms our own prejudice or interest.

>

> Well, on this small topic at least we can do our own

> science.

> Please report to the group?

>

> Ien in the Kootenays

> http://freegreenliving.com (blog)

> http://wildhealing.net (Rainforest Herbs)

> http://wildwholefoods.net (AFA algae)

>

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

 

I've got a whole flat of seedlings growing in water AND peat that has

been microwaved. They are doing just fine.

 

The seedlings don't get nutrients from the water - they get WATER,

and the chemical structure of water is not changed by microwaving.

 

JenB

[Guest guest]

Jennifer wrote:

 

I've got a whole flat of seedlings growing in water AND peat that has

been microwaved. They are doing just fine.

 

The seedlings don't get nutrients from the water - they get WATER,

and the chemical structure of water is not changed by microwaving.

 

JenB

 

Thanks! Now we are getting some science happening. I sincerely believe that

there is more to life than the chemical structure of things, but one generally

ends up with vague New Age babble about " Energy " , and this is a chance to TEST.

 

Now, why is the water that you put on your seedlings microwaved?