Quality Essential Oils ??

[Guest guest]

Hello Carmen .. other good folks ..

 

To the delight of many and the dismay of a few .. I've not written

much in a good while .. but I gotta comment on this .. uh .. personal

testimonial .. or advertisement. ;-)

 

I make the following points because they are issues that have been

resolved over and over again since I entered this business in 1995.

 

> My name is Carmen and I really enjoy reading your posts. I learn

from

> them. I have been using essential oils for about 5 years now. I

only

> use high quality therapeutic oils. I highly recommend Birch Hill

> Happenings. Their oils are of the highest quality and the customer

> service is excellent and their prices are very reasonable.

 

I know nothing about Birch Hill .. though I just checked their web

site. They might have fantastic customer service .. but I wonder

how you determined that their oils are of the highest quality, and

even more important .. what is the criteria you use for determining

if an EO is or is not " therapeutic " ? I see on the site that they

claim to be selling " Therapeutic, Medicinal quality Essential

Oils " .. is this what convinced you that the oils you are using are

therapeutic?

 

Bottom line .. what do you consider to be the criteria for

determining the quality of an oil?

 

> I was a former Young Living distributor and I use Birch Hill oils

now.

 

I certainly believe that it matters not who you are using now .. odds

are good that the quality and prices will be better than YL. But on

price .. " reasonable " is not a matter of opinion when a seller openly

posts their prices .. if .. one compares them to other seller's

prices. A quick review of the prices of just a few of the oils sold

by BirchHillHappenings.com .. just starting with " A " reveals that

their prices are between 300% and 450% higher than the norm. Example

Amyris .. 1 oz (30 ml) is $17.49 .. the norm for 4 oz of an Amyris

that is proven (by analysis) to be pure and high quality is $11.49.

Their 1 oz size of Basil is $9.78 .. they don't indicate if it is

Linalool or Methyl Chavicol Chemotype but since they also sell the

Linalool CT I'll assume its Meth Chav .. and the norm for 4 oz of

that oil is $6.98. Their 1 oz of Bay Laurel is $30.63 .. I offer 8

oz for less .. as do many other folks. I'll just hit on one more in

that line .. Bay, West Indies .. Rum .. they get $26.57 for 1 oz but

the norm is $25 or so for 4 oz.

 

So .. I am assuming that based on your prior experiences with YL you

see the above prices as being " reasonable " .

 

I'll also mention that the " cures " they claim are embellished because

they (like many other sellers) are equating the long term use of a

plant to the short term use of the EO extracted from that plant ..

and in many cases they claims are just plain fictitious .. based on

the unreferenced " novels " so common in the industry.

 

> Thank you for the opportunity to post here.

 

Same here .. maybe you will see my post as being informative .. its

intended to be that .. not a slam on Birch Hill. Since this News

Group came into existence I have worked to inform folks and I guess I

did a fair job for a lot of years. Lately I have become less

interested in doing so because bringing reality into this hocus pocus

New Age cottage industry is as difficult as herding cats and it

matters not how many folks we educate there will be more tomorrow who

will start from Ground Zero and think they have the answers.

 

More and more I have become " disaffected " by the AT industry .. and

those who have been around a while .. those who do know the facts ..

can easily understand why I feel this way.

 

So .. Carmen .. don't interpret this post as being a personal slam.

It is not intended to be so .. its just a mild version of what I used

to write often but have almost decided its not worth the time to

continue to do so.

 

> Carmen

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-)

 

Butch .. http://www.AV-AT.com

[Guest guest]

Butch, I always look forward to your posts and I find each one

informative-I sometimes find something in one of your old posts that I

overlooked reading the first time. For the sake of those who are

interested in the realities of eo's and despite those that think they

have all the answers I hope you will continue to contribute your

thoughts here and know that there are people taking it in. Susan

 

 

, " Butch Owen " <butchowen wrote:

>

> Hello Carmen .. other good folks ..

>

> Since this News

> Group came into existence I have worked to inform folks and I guess I

> did a fair job for a lot of years. Lately I have become less

> interested in doing so because bringing reality into this hocus pocus

> New Age cottage industry is as difficult as herding cats and it

> matters not how many folks we educate there will be more tomorrow who

> will start from Ground Zero and think they have the answers.

>

> More and more I have become " disaffected " by the AT industry .. and

> those who have been around a while .. those who do know the facts ..

> can easily understand why I feel this way.

>

> So .. Carmen .. don't interpret this post as being a personal slam.

> It is not intended to be so .. its just a mild version of what I used

> to write often but have almost decided its not worth the time to

> continue to do so.

>

>

>

> Butch .. http://www.AV-AT.com

>

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

& nbsp;

& nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; I am Lori Mitchell from Kalispell Montana, just a

quickie intro. I'm a Hospice Nurse who moonlights in the Emergency Room.

Aromatherapy has been a part of my nursing practice for over 7 years. Just now

launching an official AT program into the hospital policy and procedures for

Home Care and Hospice. Have also done this for Critical Care and Skilled Nursing

Facilities.

& nbsp;

& nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; I've enjoyed lurking, little time to post, but just had to

respond to this. & nbsp; Butch....you are a becaon of light in the world of

aromatics. I know what you are saying about how discouraging it is trying to

educate folks, and herding cats etc. & nbsp; The bizarre YL cult dominates here.

I've nearly given up but not quite. Truth is, many & nbsp;people don't want to or

cannot spend the time to devote to learning on a level more than a weekend

seminar, or MLM phamplets. In my opinion this is fine when they are just in it

for themselves. They can spend what they want, and use it however for

themselves, they only risk being a personal one. Howevere, & nbsp;when they start

" treating " other people, clients etc. That...is a different story! & nbsp; & nbsp;

I'm sure you will never really being able to know to what level your efforts

have extended. My guess is..... much much farther and deeper than you might

think!!! & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Please keep it

coming as your time and energy allows. & nbsp; & nbsp;

& nbsp;

& nbsp; & nbsp; I was discouraged to See Martin Watt leave. He too has much to

offer, and would sure liked to have the time to discuss more indepth some of his

insights and meld them with my clinical practice. I know, though that I can find

him elswhere. & nbsp; & nbsp; Many people here I'd like to acknowledge and honor for

their efforts in keeping this modality of AT honest and ethical. One is Marge

Clark- tireless effort!! & nbsp; Sorry & nbsp; I'll have to stop there and this post

would be much too long.

& nbsp;

& nbsp; & nbsp; You know, I notice this more and more...the dumbing down of sooo

much. & nbsp; And fewer and fewer warriors willing and tenacious enough to provide

the light. & nbsp; The new saying seems to be " It's all good!! " & nbsp; Well, maybe

so, but if so, then....who is going to work to make " it " better. "

???? & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; I'm doing my part in this tiny little world of mine and

encourage all other who are in search of excellence, honor, integrity, knowledge

and truth!! & nbsp; Much thanks to our educational warriors, it is....a thankless

job!

& nbsp;

Aromatically,

Lori

& nbsp;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

For not being a personal slam, it sure sounded like one...but then

again, that's just my opinion.

 

I can't say I know much about how to determine the quality of essential

oils...I wish I did. The only thing I have to comment on is the fact

that I know someone who used to work at Young Living and quit because

he had a guilty conscious...he, like several other people I've heard

of, has personally seen them add carrier oils to their essential oils.

Take it as you'd like, but I would never buy from them.

[Guest guest]

Hi to Everyone,

This is Penny and my husband and I are the owners of Birch Hill

Happenings Aromatherapy, LLC.

 

And I do not want to be flamed by anyone on this site (group) but

felt I must respond about our company and us.

 

I have been a member of this group for over 2 years and contribute

occasionally (and I don't place ads - at this time). I contribute

only when I feel I can really help someone with information from

cases we have helped in the past as maybe it will help someone else

too. I used to lurk on the old IDMA list too, back when we were new

to aromatherapy.

 

Now, I'm NOT going to divulge all of our suppliers that we get our

oils from, but on occasion one of them is Butch!!

 

We buy a majority of our essential oils wholesale from a very

reputable company and sell SMALL quantities to individuals - many of

them just starting out in aromatherapy.

 

And we try to EDUCATE. We are always available during the week via

phone and e-mail and answer personally. Not many companies out there

even return phone calls or answer e-mails. And the Personal touch? We

give a lot of hours of ourselves to every consult we conduct. Whether

it be in phone, email or in person we are very personal and caring.

 

We take aromatherapy VERY SERIOUSLY. We are aromatherapists that

truely do care. We sell the oils because our clients asked us where

to get therapeutic oils and well, since we couldn't tell them where

to get them we did two years of research to find the quality of oils

we sell before we even thought about selling them to anyone.

 

Now to also let you know, I have taken Martin Watt's Course in

Advanced Clinical Aromatherapy and passed WITH DISTINCTION!!!

 

Martin's Course is not easy, it is very thorough and comprehesive.

It takes many, many hours of study and reading and the final exam

took many hours to complete. It is a very good course but definitely

not for the beginner. Only a few have even finished his course.

 

And back 15 years ago Al (hubby) studied with the Australasian

College of Herbal studies (now College of Herbal Sciences). But

after seeing Martin's course is now reading my course materials too.

 

We never stop learning.

 

Mind you, we are not some FLY by Night company. We have very high

quality Therapeutic oils and very high standards. We have been in

business for over 11 years and are still growing. We treat people

how we expect to be treated.

 

WE ARE NOT an MLM.

It's just been Al and I for 11 years. Only recently did we hire

someone to help with order processing, etc. We do the work, all the

work and know many of our customers very personally.

 

We do not cater to those needing to buy wholesale. (We do offer a

business to business discount to legitimate businesses many of them

are fledglings and this is to help them get started but no wholesale

prices.)

 

Our prices are retail and very fair. We hear it constantly from our

customers. We offer a wide variety of sizes that most other

companies won't even consider. So why should people spend a fortune

on essential oils that might just sit on a shelf after only a few

drops taken out. Not a wise purchase the way I look at it. That's why

we offer the smaller sizes. Get to know the oils before you blindly

purchase larger ones. AND if you like them, you probably won't want

to go somewhere else when you know the quality is there - from us

too!!

 

If someone really needs 4 ounces or more then they really should be

looking to buy from a wholesale or distributor not a retail

aromatheripist store. We offer the 4 ounce sizes as a courtesy for

someone that MIGHT need it as a one time purchase. To be honest we

sell more 4ml, 10ml and 30ml bottle sizes than any other size.

 

The last time I knew the average person has several 4ml and 10 ml

bottles of essential oils in their dark storage box, refrigerated

(yeah maybe?) that often times sits for years. (Don't you just want

to have them use those oils on you??)

 

Only the true enthusiast, candle maker and soap maker or true

practioner will be buying in the 4 ounce or larger sizes. And

everyone knows you usually do get a break when you buy in that large

of quantities.

 

My point being, buying in large quantities for less is great if you

are reselling them in smaller quanities - which is what we do from

Butch and our other suppliers since we are retailers - we do not sell

wholesale, so we don't have wholesale pricing either.

 

So to all on this list, please note, No, Butch doesn't know our

company, nor the quality of our oils, (except remember we do get a

few oils from his company on occasion).

 

I do not take this as a personal slam from Butch, just the fact that

he doesn't know us, our company or any of the oils we sell. He is not

educated about us.

 

BUT what he is just trying to do is to EDUCATE people that you need

to be careful where you buy from.

 

We do have Therpeutic Quality oils - tested with 6-8 tests to be sure

they are of the highest quality available. If not, we don't sell

them. And we sell in small enough quantities so you can use them up

within a few short months or within a year and always have the

freshest oils available for your use - not something that has been

sitting on the shelf for who knows how long!! Buy what you can use

and buy fresh often.

 

AND last but not least, we are there for you or our customers.

 

Al and I answer a many, many questions about essential oils and

aromatherapy, every week, some become customers, many never. But we

are their to educate. Do we know everything? NO, but we are

constantly learning and updating and giving out the best information

available. Personally and confidentially to anyone that writes or

calls us, we are there.

 

So now you know a little bit more about us and our company Birch Hill

Happenings. We have a very large and informative website. I know as

I'm the webmaster and have created every one of our pages.(250

plus). I'm updating old information with new daily and will address

Butch's comment about the Basil -(It is Basil ct methyl chavicol). I

will update our site concerning this too.

 

That's my 2 cents worth. We are serious aromatherapists that also

sell therapeutic quality oils and are there for everyone to ask and

to educate. WE are NOT just " some uneducated essential oil dealers/

sellers just out to make a buck " .

 

We are much, much more than that, we are Aromatherapists.

 

Yours in Aromatherapy,

 

Penny Keay

 

PS. I'd would have responded earlier but we do take a little time off

on the weekends to do a few other things too.

 

 

Your One Stop Aromatherapy Shop!

Birch Hill Happenings Aromatherapy LLC

100% Pure Essential oils and Supplies

http://birchhillhappenings.com/aroma1.htm

Why by a gallon when you only need a few drops!

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, " Butch Owen " <butchowen

wrote:

>

> Hello Carmen .. other good folks ..

>

> To the delight of many and the dismay of a few .. I've not written

> much in a good while .. but I gotta comment on this .. uh ..

personal

> testimonial .. or advertisement. ;-)

>

> I make the following points because they are issues that have been

> resolved over and over again since I entered this business in

1995.

>

> > My name is Carmen and I really enjoy reading your posts. I learn

> from

> > them. I have been using essential oils for about 5 years now. I

> only

> > use high quality therapeutic oils. I highly recommend Birch Hill

> > Happenings. Their oils are of the highest quality and the

customer

> > service is excellent and their prices are very reasonable.

>

> I know nothing about Birch Hill .. though I just checked their web

> site. They might have fantastic customer service .. but I wonder

> how you determined that their oils are of the highest quality, and

> even more important .. what is the criteria you use for determining

> if an EO is or is not " therapeutic " ? I see on the site that they

> claim to be selling " Therapeutic, Medicinal quality Essential

> Oils " .. is this what convinced you that the oils you are using are

> therapeutic?

>

> Bottom line .. what do you consider to be the criteria for

> determining the quality of an oil?

>

> > I was a former Young Living distributor and I use Birch Hill oils

> now.

>

> I certainly believe that it matters not who you are using now ..

odds

> are good that the quality and prices will be better than YL. But

on

> price .. " reasonable " is not a matter of opinion when a seller

openly

> posts their prices .. if .. one compares them to other seller's

> prices. A quick review of the prices of just a few of the oils

sold

> by BirchHillHappenings.com .. just starting with " A " reveals that

> their prices are between 300% and 450% higher than the norm.

Example

> Amyris .. 1 oz (30 ml) is $17.49 .. the norm for 4 oz of an Amyris

> that is proven (by analysis) to be pure and high quality is

$11.49.

> Their 1 oz size of Basil is $9.78 .. they don't indicate if it is

> Linalool or Methyl Chavicol Chemotype but since they also sell the

> Linalool CT I'll assume its Meth Chav .. and the norm for 4 oz of

> that oil is $6.98. Their 1 oz of Bay Laurel is $30.63 .. I offer 8

> oz for less .. as do many other folks. I'll just hit on one more

in

> that line .. Bay, West Indies .. Rum .. they get $26.57 for 1 oz

but

> the norm is $25 or so for 4 oz.

>

> So .. I am assuming that based on your prior experiences with YL

you

> see the above prices as being " reasonable " .

>

> I'll also mention that the " cures " they claim are embellished

because

> they (like many other sellers) are equating the long term use of a

> plant to the short term use of the EO extracted from that plant ..

> and in many cases they claims are just plain fictitious .. based on

> the unreferenced " novels " so common in the industry.

>

> > Thank you for the opportunity to post here.

>

> Same here .. maybe you will see my post as being informative .. its

> intended to be that .. not a slam on Birch Hill. Since this News

> Group came into existence I have worked to inform folks and I guess

I

> did a fair job for a lot of years. Lately I have become less

> interested in doing so because bringing reality into this hocus

pocus

> New Age cottage industry is as difficult as herding cats and it

> matters not how many folks we educate there will be more tomorrow

who

> will start from Ground Zero and think they have the answers.

>

> More and more I have become " disaffected " by the AT industry .. and

> those who have been around a while .. those who do know the

facts ..

> can easily understand why I feel this way.

>

> So .. Carmen .. don't interpret this post as being a personal

slam.

> It is not intended to be so .. its just a mild version of what I

used

> to write often but have almost decided its not worth the time to

> continue to do so.

>

> > Carmen

>

> Y'all keep smiling. :-)

>

> Butch .. http://www.AV-AT.com

>

[Guest guest]

Quote:

The only thing I have to comment on is the fact

that I know someone who used to work at Young Living and quit because he had a

guilty conscious " end quote.

 

I have heard of several others like that.

This from people who used to be at the top end of the compensation plan.

Anyone who passes himself off as a doctor when he isn't loses my business.

 

Y'all be happy to hear that I make it a point to send people to

Aromatic Sage every time (or almost every time) someone posts an ad

for a " Raindrop Therapy " seminar at the big Alternatives list.

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com

 

 

[Guest guest]

Lori Mitchell wrote:

 

I am Lori Mitchell from Kalispell Montana, just a quickie intro. I'm a Hospice

Nurse who moonlights in the Emergency Room. Aromatherapy has been a part of my

nursing practice for over 7 years. Just now launching an official AT program

into the hospital policy and procedures for Home Care and Hospice. Have also

done this for Critical Care and Skilled Nursing Facilities.

 

Lori, I would love to hear more from you.

We are almost neighbors, I am in the West Kootenays, B.C.,

about a day's drive from you. We have been through Kalispell.

Beautiful area, another chunk of paradise.

 

Contrary to most of you I rather like MLMs ( It is the only

way I can afford my high-end supplements) but I sure hate to

see con games like YL. I try to do my bit to educate the

great unwashed. Mainly I send them here, .

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com (blog)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

At 06:10 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote:

>Aromatically,

>Lori

 

Lori, it is SO good to see you online again!!

 

How is the program going... is the " hospice rose " blend working well for you?

 

Give my best to Chaplain Bob... we still so appreciate the opportunity to

take part in your work!

 

 

 

 

 

Over 12 years online supplying Aromatherapy and Healthcare Professionals

Website: http://www.naturesgift.com

Blog: http://naturesgiftaromatherapy.blogspot.com/

 

 

[Guest guest]

At 06:10 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote:

> > Just now launching an official AT program into the hospital policy and

>procedures for Home Care and Hospice. Have also done this for Critical Care

>and Skilled Nursing Facilities.

>Wishing you luck I am .. we need more professional medical folks to get

>involved in this industry.

 

fwiw, Butch, I know of close to a dozen hospitals and hospices that either

already have or are in process of setting up aromatherapy programs. It's

the most exciting part of what we do...helping them get organized and going.

 

 

 

Over 12 years online supplying Aromatherapy and Healthcare Professionals

Website: http://www.naturesgift.com

Blog: http://naturesgiftaromatherapy.blogspot.com/