OT: Leg Cramps

[Guest guest]

Hey Butch,

 

I get the leg cramps when my Magnesium is low. I drink some *Calm* in the

morning (try to remember to do so every day especially in this horrid heat).

If I forget, get too busy, etc. my legs cramp that night... Have you tried

drinking Magnesium?

 

Sandi

BlackKat Herbs

http://www.blackkatherbs.com

[Guest guest]

Dear Butch,

The best way to prevent leg cramps is a mixture called " Cal Mag " . This is

used to prevent muscle spasms from those going through drug withdrawal

symptoms.

I use it about once a week to handle any muscle spasms(not because I use

drugs but because of my age).

Use Magnesium carbonate (containing 29 percent magnesium) and Calcium

Gluconate.

1) Put one level tablespoon (15ml) of calcium gluconate in a normal sized

glass.\

2) Add 1,2 level teaspoon(2,5 ml) of magnesium carbonate.

3) Add 1 - 2 tablespoons of cider vinegar ( at least 5 per cent acidity)

4). Stir well.

5) Add 1/2 a glass of boiling water and stir until all the powder is

dissolved and the liquid is clear.

6) Fill the rest of the glass with lukewarm water or juice and drink,

You can actually buy the premixed Call Mag at some Health food shops - I

just like making my own...........love Penny

 

 

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Blackkat <blackkat wrote:

 

> Hey Butch,

>

> I get the leg cramps when my Magnesium is low. I drink some *Calm* in the

> morning (try to remember to do so every day especially in this horrid

> heat).

> If I forget, get too busy, etc. my legs cramp that night... Have you tried

> drinking Magnesium?

>

> Sandi

> BlackKat Herbs

> http://www.blackkatherbs.com

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Butch and All,

Al and I are avid bicyclers. We have found that after riding bike

and doing a lot of sweating - you have to replenish your electrolytes

(mineral salts). This is the Potassium, Magnesium, Sodium, Calcium,

etc. You can replenish some of it by using Gatoraid and such.

 

But me being a diabetic, and gatorade sweetened with sugarary stuff

and Al having allergies to corn - that is not possible for us to

drink.

 

We take along Morton Lite Salt (Potassium chloride salt with no

Sodium chloride in it) and after our rides (2-4 hours long) we take a

1/4 teaspoon in water. We have never ever had leg cramps after

riding bikes. But let me tell you we have seen a ton of folks get

done riding, roller blading or running and after they are done - have

such severe leg cramps they are crying in pain.

 

So we also use the Morton Lite Salt which is Potassium Chloride -

Potassium salt and the easiest to use, when ever we have done a lot

of perspiring. No cramps whatsoever. And we have had other folks do

the " Potassium salt " thing when they get leg cramps and within a few

minutes the cramp is gone.

 

Before we go for a long ride we also take 1/4 teaspoon of Celtic Sea

Salt in a glass of water. This helps before we start our long rides.

 

As we will sweat all that salt out plus even more. (I know as our

faces and around our eyes and mouth actually get salt crystals dried

on them from sweating and it drying as we ride!)

 

We take Magnesium supplements at bedtime too. Magnesium is great to

help you relax and fall asleep too, so we never recommend anyone take

it in the mornings unless you want to fall asleep at your desk!

 

Again, read the book by Mildred Seelig MD, The Magnesium Factor. She

can tell you all about the Sodium, Potassium and Magnesium needs all

backed up with research. Most people are deficient in Potassium and

Magnesium and when you are too deficient - you just are not going to

get enough from the foods you eat.

 

Hope this helps, if not you, others that suffer from leg cramps.

 

Penny

 

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, " Butch Owen " <butchowen

wrote:

>

> Howdy y'all,

>

> All the info previously posted on this link was good info .. I

think .. and

> I left Anya's post at the bottom of this one .. as a reference.

Lemme also

> add two or three cents.

>

> As we age we are more likely to get those night cramps .. many of

you (like

> me) have had it happen while sleeping and have probably become

accustomed to

> (like me) immediately knowing what was going down and immediately

jumping up

> outta bed in a panic cause we knew what we were about to face ..

> excruciating pain!!!

>

> I have had these on and off for the last few years .. I'll hit 66

years

> young next month .. and they are increasing lately. Medical

science (says

> my Dr. buddy) has not real answers as to exactly why they happen

but they

> have answers as to when they happen .. that is .. what conditions

can

> encourage them to happen. I am convinced that the reasons why I

have had

> more lately is that we have stopped our daily walks because we are

giving

> more attention to our grounds .. I am over exercising in hot

weather ..

> working in my garden. That coupled with being generally

dehydrated .. and

> when I'm not working or playing with my son outside I am usually

sitting on

> my butt. My Doc buddy says that imbalances in the levels of

electrolytes

> and a low level of sodium can encourage muscle cramps. There are

many ways

> to get back into balance but the quickest way will also take care

of the

> dehydration .. drinking sports drinks .. like Gator Aid and such ..

and

> don't restrict sodium too much if you intend to exercise a lot

during hot

> weather.

>

> Last Tuesday I pruned all of my tomato plants and then staked them

while my

> wife tied them up .. lots of leaning over and bending. That night

around

> midnight I was watching the political pundits on TV and got up and

fetch a

> glass of water .. I'm standing at the sink when I get hit with

cramps in

> BOTH legs at the same time .. above the knee. I'm holding to the

sink and

> trying to stretch upward on my toes and such .. and after maybe 20

seconds

> or so they lighten a bit and I cautiously come down flat on both

feet. I

> took the glass of water and headed back to the couch .. but I

didn't make

> it. It came back and knocked me right off my feet .. I'm on the

floor and

> thinking NEVER has it been this bad .. even when I had a compound

fracture

> once I am certain that the pain was not so intense. It goes on

for more

> than a full minute and then I start to try to arch my toes upward

toward the

> knees but I just can't do it. I'm laying there moaning like a

feller with a

> sucking chest wound and its so loud that my wife hears it all the

way to the

> bedroom in the opposite end of the house. She comes in and I ask

her for a

> glass of water cause I am getting light headed .. pain is like BIG

TIME ..

> she gets it but I can't get into a position to drink it. She starts

> massaging and after what appeared to be an hour but was really like

3

> minutes or so I am able to scoot across the floor and grab onto the

couch

> and slowly lift myself up.

>

> I was afraid to sit down or lay down .. there was no way in Hell I

was going

> to go through that again that night .. so I stood up and watched TV

for

> maybe 2 more hours .. then went outside and walked around the

grounds.

> Came back in around 0300 and finally decided to take a gamble and

sit in a

> straight chair. Sometime after that I dozed off. Today is

Saturday and

> those leg muscles are still sore .. some cramps can be mighty

intense and

> the spasms can cause inflamed muscles. Right now I am perhaps for

the

> first time in life afraid of something .. afraid of going through

that

> again! My Doc buddy told me that it can get worse .. said almost

all

> cramps involve a single muscle or a group of muscles that act

together ..

> but from time to time muscles that move body parts in OPPOSITE

directions

> can cramp at the same time .. that must be something like being

drawn before

> being quartered! He also confirmed what I already knew .. that is

that

> cramps are not gonna kill us .. they just sometimes make us think

we are

> dying .. but .. if a person has cramps as a matter of routine they

need to

> get checked out because there are medical issues that can cause

frequent

> cramps.

>

> Some of you can associate with what I just laid out .. but why did

I go into

> that much detail explaining? Because them that can't might want to

try to

> .. and might want to try to avoid what I think has caused my

problems

> lately. Not much we can do about age and not much we can do about

> exercising if we want to maintain a yard or garden .. but we can

avoid

> becoming dehydrated and we can vary the type of physical exercise

we are

> getting by not doing the same thing for too long a period .. this

is pretty

> much like stretching but not really .. though it helps to get the

same

> results. I am a believer in Gator Aid and such and like Anya

mentioned

> below .. I am eating lots of bananas and kiwi and such now .. gotta

make

> such we have enough potassium .. and I am doing all I can to avoid

going

> through what I did last Tuesday night.

>

> Not gonna say that I wouldn't wish cramps on my worst enemies ..

that's

> taking it a bit too far cause there are a couple of folks in the

world I

> would like to see get them daily .. but I wouldn't wish them on

99.9999% of

> the folks .. so y'all might wanna take heed during this hot weather

and make

> sure you do all you can do to try to avoid this situation. ;-)

>

> Y'all keep smiling. :-)

>

> Butch .. http://www.AV-AT.com

>

>

> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Anya <anya wrote:

>

> > > I know I am low in potassium that is why I do the orange

juice and

> > > parsley

> > > thing, because water pills take away potassium and I get bad leg

> > > cramps, kick a

> > > hole in the wall leg cramps in the night ...

> >

> > I had brutal leg cramps, sometimes in the quads, sometimes in the

> > calves, ankle/foot or toes. I would take potassium occasionally,

tons of

> > magnesium, try stretching, hotpads on the legs before bedtime -

very

> > little relief. Last October, my blood tests showed excess

potassium and

> > calcium, so I had to stop taking them. I got the go-ahead to take

as

> > much magnesium as I wanted, but still little or no relief. I had

cramps

> > practically every night. The ones gripping my ankle and foot were

awful,

> > they'd make my foot contort, and I heard a loud pop when I tried

to

> > force it back into a neutral position.

> >

> > For Christmas, I got my mother a motorized lift recliner chair to

help

> > her get up. The guy gave me a good deal on a regular recliner for

> > myself. I had a bit of a prejudice against them, with visions of

Archie

> > Bunker and holding a beer can being imprinted on my cultural

engramme

> > regarding that kind of chair. I needed a new chair in the sun

room where

> > I take breaks from work to read or watch TV, so I got it.

> >

> > The leg cramps stopped within one day of using it. The problem

was I was

> > not elevating my legs enough for the blood supply to return to

the heart

> > during the day, so there was a major traffic jam at night when the

> > gravity took over to complete the blood flow, which caused the

cramps.

> >

> > I pop in and out of the chair probably 20 times a day, sometimes

for

> > just five minutes. I've only had a few Charley horse cramps in my

calf

> > in six months after a lot of sudden exertion, like climbing a lot

of

> > stairs, which is kind of understandable.

> >

> > YMMV, of course, but I suggest trying to raise your legs

periodically

> > during the day, maybe with just a footstool to start if you don't

have

> > or want a recliner chair.

> >

> > --

> > - perfumes, aromatics,

classes,

> > consultation

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Howdy Sandi,

 

> Hey Butch,

>

> I get the leg cramps when my Magnesium is low. I drink some *Calm* in the

> morning (try to remember to do so every day especially in this horrid

heat).

 

I don't know what that is .. just googled it and found nothing except some

products for pets??

 

> If I forget, get too busy, etc. my legs cramp that night... Have you tried

> drinking Magnesium?

 

Haven't tried drinking it but I've taken it .. I am gonna get some because

in addition to your recommedation, Sharon Kerley just wrote me off line with

a similar recommendation.

 

I'm sitting here now with a bottle of Gatorade .. went outside for an hour

or so to strip blossoms from our first year strawberry patch .. its 95 F

here today so I decided to wait till maybe 5 this afternoon to finish

because its a bending down exercise and though I want strawberries next year

... more leg cramps I don't want now. ;-)

 

> Sandi

> BlackKat Herbs

 

> http://www.blackkatherbs.com <http://www.blackkatherbs.com>

 

Thank you ma'am. :-) Butch

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Butch,

 

It is called Natural CALM put out by Peter Gillham's Natural Vitality.

If you can't find it in your neck of the woods, let me know. I keep it in

stock altho it is not yet on my website.

 

Sandi

BlackKat Herbs

http://www.blackkatherbs.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Butch,

 

On the old-fashioned front for leg cramps:

 

I had a lady I took care of during my nursing days who swore by tonic

water to keep the leg cramps at bay--drank an 8 oz bottle of the stuff

a day and said it stopped them from happening for her. I don't know

what it tastes like on its own and my vodka and tonic days have been

over for about 15 years, but maybe it would help?

 

Just a thought,

Serra

 

 

 

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Butch Owen <butchowen wrote:

> Howdy y'all,

>

> All the info previously posted on this link was good info .. I think .. and

> I left Anya's post at the bottom of this one .. as a reference. Lemme also

> add two or three cents.

>

> As we age we are more likely to get those night cramps .. many of you (like

> me) have had it happen while sleeping and have probably become accustomed to

> (like me) immediately knowing what was going down and immediately jumping up

> outta bed in a panic cause we knew what we were about to face ..

> excruciating pain!!!

[Guest guest]

It contains quinine. That's why it's called 'tonic' water and helps the

cramps..

 

Sandra

 

 

 

 

I had a lady I took care of during my nursing days who swore by tonic

water to keep the leg cramps at bay--drank an 8 oz bottle of the stuff

a day and said it stopped them from happening for her. I don't know

what it tastes like on its own and my vodka and tonic days have been

over for about 15 years, but maybe it would help?

 

Just a thought,

Serra

[Guest guest]

That much I knew--what I was wondering about was the taste.

Serra

 

 

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:37 AM, <sanr wrote:

> It contains quinine. That's why it's called 'tonic' water and helps the

> cramps..

>

> Sandra

>

[Guest guest]

I just tasted mine and it reminded me a _little_ of ginger ale, but not quite.

But not an unpleasant taste. If mixed with juice or

another liquid I don't think you would notice it at all.

Sandra

 

 

 

That much I knew--what I was wondering about was the taste.

Serra

 

 

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:37 AM, <sanr wrote:

> It contains quinine. That's why it's called 'tonic' water and helps the

> cramps..

>

> Sandra

[Guest guest]

OK Thanks,

Serra

 

 

 

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:31 AM, <sanr wrote:

> I just tasted mine and it reminded me a _little_ of ginger ale, but not

> quite. But not an unpleasant taste. If mixed with juice or

> another liquid I don't think you would notice it at all.

> Sandra

[Guest guest]

Wow, with all the responses mine might sound way too simple.

 

Drink more milk.

 

I have huge calves and when I don't drink enough milk I get severe

cramping.

 

BB

 

Anwynn