Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 I have read that you can give a fur baby burdock root. We seem to have lots on our land and wondering what you do with it. I mean, do you just dig it up, wash up and serve or what? Any suggestions would be helpful as the vet claims Rocky (my fur baby) has a liver shunt and I read that burdock would help cleanse the liver of toxins. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Before you give " anything " to your fur baby, consult with your vet. There are lots of things that would be good for human consumption but toxic to fur babies. Better safe than sorry. Evelyn www.alternasense.com " If you don't talk to your cat about Catnip, Who will? " ---- kat101962 6/16/2008 8:27:37 PM Burdock for my fur baby I have read that you can give a fur baby burdock root. We seem to have lots on our land and wondering what you do with it. I mean, do you just dig it up, wash up and serve or what? Any suggestions would be helpful as the vet claims Rocky (my fur baby) has a liver shunt and I read that burdock would help cleanse the liver of toxins. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 If your dog has a liver shunt or PSS, no amount of burdock is going to help. He needs surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Vet only thinks he has a shunt. We were told to find out he would need an ultra-sound to the tune of about $2000. I personally have a deep down feeling that he doesn't have a shunt. We had taken him to the groomer and when we picked him up he was acting funny. He seemed almost drunk. He was using the walls to get around. The vet wasn't in as it was evening and so we waited until the next day and the vet ran blood work and found no toxins. They gave him steroids and IV fluids and told us he was one SICK boy. After the steroids, they put him on a low protein diet and now he takes Lactolose twice a day. You know how a puppy (he will be 2 years in August) he has got into some things like the cat food-tons of protein- plus he has gotten in trash just once since this event and cleaned the plastic that held bulk sauage and has not acted drunk at all. So this is why I'm asking about burdock as he is mostly vegetarian and wanted to help to cleanse his liver to help the medicine. I'm hoping to get some imput to take to the vet so we can get him off the medicine and on to happier lives, now we are a little fearful of him eating the wrong thing and getting really sick again. Kathy , Jennifer Budai <jen wrote: > > If your dog has a liver shunt or PSS, no amount of burdock is going > to help. He needs surgery. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 There is no vet I have ever heard of who would charge $2000 for an ultrasound on ANY animal. I have had them done on horses for pregnancy exams, and that has never cost over $20 - 30 dollars for the ultrasound -- plus whatever the call charge was to come out to my place. A shunt would be very easy to find on an ultrasound. WHY did the vet even suspect that the dog may have a shunt in the first place? If the dog had no toxins and the blood work was normal, why do they even suspect he has liver problems? Why did they give him steroids? The way he was acting when he came from the groomers could have been a reaction to some shampoo they used, or if they did a flea bath. Personally, I would find a new vet! Rubie from SW Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 It sounds like the groomer sedated him. Did the groomer not mention that to you? I absolutely detest people that think it is OK to do that and not tell, especially when they don't know what they are doing. Find out what he was sedated with(if you can) and go from there. Blood work - no toxins - but what about drugs? Be careful of this groomer, I wouldn't go back if this was done underhanded. Soapbox again....I have groomed hundreds of dogs. It may take a few minutes extra to establish some trust with a dog. I would rather do that than drugs. I don't worry about my vet sedating my animals for procedures, as I know he weighs them and uses the correct amount. Groomers - no way. that's it for now, MM - " kat101962 " <kat964 Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:12 PM Re:Burdock for my fur baby > > Vet only thinks he has a shunt. We were told to find out he would > need an ultra-sound to the tune of about $2000. I personally have a > deep down feeling that he doesn't have a shunt. We had taken him to > the groomer and when we picked him up he was acting funny. He seemed > almost drunk. He was using the walls to get around. The vet wasn't > in as it was evening and so we waited until the next day and the vet > ran blood work and found no toxins. They gave him steroids and IV > fluids and told us he was one SICK boy. After the steroids, they put > him on a low protein diet and now he takes Lactolose twice a day. > You know how a puppy (he will be 2 years in August) he has got into > some things like the cat food-tons of protein- plus he has gotten in > trash just once since this event and cleaned the plastic that held > bulk sauage and has not acted drunk at all. So this is why I'm > asking about burdock as he is mostly vegetarian and wanted to help to > cleanse his liver to help the medicine. I'm hoping to get some imput > to take to the vet so we can get him off the medicine and on to > happier lives, now we are a little fearful of him eating the wrong > thing and getting really sick again. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Hi, I agree, that if your fur baby has a shunt he needs surgery. BUT it is strange he has not had problems before now. Liver shunts are usually found in dogs early on its life - usually before 6 months of age. But, maybe yours was fine and something else caused the problem. I also agree that it sure sounds to me as though the groomer gave your dog some type of sedative - Acepromazine - can knock some dogs for a loop for a day or too. And it needs to be given by weight and prescribed by a Veterinarian. You never said what type of fur baby you have- what breed of dog is he? As some breeds are more prone to liver shunts and other liver and kidney problems. Also, $2000.00 is ridiculous for an ultrasound for a pet. Most are around $60-150.00 and that often times includes doing more than one view. Although $2000.00 for surgery AND the ultrasound would sound more like it. If it were my pet I might consider getting a second opinion or getting a referral for the nearest School of Veterinary Medicine as Shunt surgery is not usually performed by your local veterinarians, unless they are specialized in that type of surgery. Also, don't give any herbs to your fur baby, until you really know what is going on. Is his liver functioning properly? Did they do blood work? If not, how do they know it is a liver problem and not something else? Just some things to think about. I worked for 30 years in the veterinary field and you need to ask more questions before they start to spend money unnessarily on your fur baby. Let us know what you find out. Penny Your One Stop Aromatherapy Shop! Birch Hill Happenings Aromatherapy LLC 100% Pure Essential oils and Supplies http://birchhillhappenings.com/aroma1.htm Why buy a gallon when you only need a few drops? Fast & Friendly Service for 12 years! , Jennifer Budai <jen wrote: > > If your dog has a liver shunt or PSS, no amount of burdock is going > to help. He needs surgery. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Wait a minute ... how long have you had Rocky?? What do you mean he has a liver shunt? How in the world can you have a dog and just now find that out? Shop around for other prices on sonogram. It's not burdock root, it's milk thistle that's good for liver. Either way, I wouldn't do a thing until you find out how (and if) the dog has a shunt in it's liver and you didn't know about it ... a groomer couldn't do that. Dede , " kat101962 " <kat964 wrote: > > I have read that you can give a fur baby burdock root. We seem to have > lots on our land and wondering what you do with it. I mean, do you > just dig it up, wash up and serve or what? Any suggestions would be > helpful as the vet claims Rocky (my fur baby) has a liver shunt and I > read that burdock would help cleanse the liver of toxins. Kathy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Milk thistle is also something that you should look into. BB Anwynn , " kat101962 " <kat964 wrote: > > I have read that you can give a fur baby burdock root. We seem to have > lots on our land and wondering what you do with it. I mean, do you > just dig it up, wash up and serve or what? Any suggestions would be > helpful as the vet claims Rocky (my fur baby) has a liver shunt and I > read that burdock would help cleanse the liver of toxins. Kathy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 You should get a definite diagnosis done before you go doing anything else, herbal or otherwise. I sent an email early this a.m. -- you're getting ripped off being quoted $2000 for an ultrasound! Plus, does not even sound like your vet had a real diagnosis, and therefore had no business prescribing steroids. It does sound like the groomer tranquilized your dog. PLEASE investigate further before you treat your dog! Rubie in SW Oregon - Anwynn Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:34 AM Re: Burdock for my fur baby Milk thistle is also something that you should look into. BB Anwynn , " kat101962 " <kat964 wrote: > > I have read that you can give a fur baby burdock root. We seem to have > lots on our land and wondering what you do with it. I mean, do you > just dig it up, wash up and serve or what? Any suggestions would be > helpful as the vet claims Rocky (my fur baby) has a liver shunt and I > read that burdock would help cleanse the liver of toxins. Kathy > Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release 6/18/2008 7:09 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Oops - my Bad!! In my mind I read " stent " instead of " shunt " ... it's sorta been on my mind because of the heart cath I had done a few weeks ago (no, didn't have to have a stent inserted). Dede , " edgetexlady " <rbright wrote: > > > Wait a minute ... how long have you had Rocky?? What do you mean he > has a liver shunt? How in the world can you have a dog and just now > find that out? > > Shop around for other prices on sonogram. > > It's not burdock root, it's milk thistle that's good for liver. > > Either way, I wouldn't do a thing until you find out how (and if) the > dog has a shunt in it's liver and you didn't know about it ... a > groomer couldn't do that. > > Dede > > , " kat101962 " <kat964@> wrote: > > > > I have read that you can give a fur baby burdock root. We seem to > have > > lots on our land and wondering what you do with it. I mean, do you > > just dig it up, wash up and serve or what? Any suggestions would be > > helpful as the vet claims Rocky (my fur baby) has a liver shunt and I > > read that burdock would help cleanse the liver of toxins. Kathy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Dede: Irregardless whether your dog has a stent or you mistakenly thought he had a shunt -- he should not be medicated/treated without a verifiable diagnosis! Again, no ultrasound costs $2000, your dog should not be receiving medications (steroids?), and you should not be using herbal medicines UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH HIM! You could end up harming or even killing your dog if you give him the wrong medicines or herbal treatments. It sounded to me like nothing showed up on the tests the doc did -- as was suggested before here, have you ever found out if the groomer tranquilized your dog? That absolutely sounds more plausible, and the way to solve that problem is to not use that groomer again -- not to inappropriately treat your dog! Rubie in SW Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Actually there is a liver herbal blend with milk thistle, burdock and dandelion. Sold a ton of it. I am a huge fan of milk thistle, lecithin and co Q 10 for those with liver issues. Evie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Please remember, there has been NO test done that shows that this dog has liver problems! - Selkie Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:45 AM Re: Re: Burdock for my fur baby Actually there is a liver herbal blend with milk thistle, burdock and dandelion. Sold a ton of it. I am a huge fan of milk thistle, lecithin and co Q 10 for those with liver issues. Evie Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1509 - Release 6/19/2008 8:00 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 gotcha. where did i get that idea?????? must have been that planet I go to once in a while. e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Thank you all for your responses. Rocky is an 11 pound mini poodle. First, deep down I think that the groomer did give him something as she said after the first grooming " that if he had 4 more legs he would be an octupus " . I told her when I first talked to her that he was a puppy and that we had taken him to Petco for grooming and we weren't happy with the last grooming he had there. She was very understanding but had said she had back problems and would have to wait until she was able to stand for the hour to groom him. So we waited and were very happy with the first grooming. The second time he went was when things went different. Deep down in my gut, I feel that she must have given him something. To make a long story short, I have told dh all that you folks have said and we are going to get a second oppinion. I don't care if I have to feed Rocky a vegetarian diet for the rest of his life but I was very concerned about medicating him for the rest of his life. Thank you so much for all of your great imput. Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 You just might be surprised to find that you actually have a pretty normal little dog that not only doesn't need any medication and doesn't even need a special diet! Wouldn't that be great? Rubie - kat101962 Thursday, June 19, 2008 6:16 PM Re: Burdock for my fur baby Thank you all for your responses. Rocky is an 11 pound mini poodle. First, deep down I think that the groomer did give him something as she said after the first grooming " that if he had 4 more legs he would be an octupus " . I told her when I first talked to her that he was a puppy and that we had taken him to Petco for grooming and we weren't happy with the last grooming he had there. She was very understanding but had said she had back problems and would have to wait until she was able to stand for the hour to groom him. So we waited and were very happy with the first grooming. The second time he went was when things went different. Deep down in my gut, I feel that she must have given him something. To make a long story short, I have told dh all that you folks have said and we are going to get a second oppinion. I don't care if I have to feed Rocky a vegetarian diet for the rest of his life but I was very concerned about medicating him for the rest of his life. Thank you so much for all of your great imput. Kat Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1510 - Release 6/19/2008 3:21 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Here is my link to liver shunt information with more links at the end of my article. I have alot of different health information for Chihuahuas. http://www.tapestrychihuahuas.com/HepaticPortalShunt.html Sherri Rohm www.tapestrychihuahuas.com - " kat101962 " <kat964 Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:16 PM Re: Burdock for my fur baby > Thank you all for your responses. Rocky is an 11 pound mini poodle. > First, deep down I think that the groomer did give him something as she > said after the first grooming " that if he had 4 more legs he would be > an octupus " . I told her when I first talked to her that he was a puppy > and that we had taken him to Petco for grooming and we weren't happy > with the last grooming he had there. She was very understanding but > had said she had back problems and would have to wait until she was > able to stand for the hour to groom him. So we waited and were very > happy with the first grooming. The second time he went was when things > went different. Deep down in my gut, I feel that she must have given > him something. To make a long story short, I have told dh all that you > folks have said and we are going to get a second oppinion. I don't > care if I have to feed Rocky a vegetarian diet for the rest of his life > but I was very concerned about medicating him for the rest of his > life. Thank you so much for all of your great imput. Kat > > > > --- > > The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute > for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional. > > Absolutely no forwarding or copying, in whole or in part, of any messages > or postings to others outside the list without the express, written > consent of every author of a message included in the forward or copy. > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: > /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Rubie - Hey, I'm NOT the one with the dog. Someone else was. Dede , " Rubie O'Dell " <rubies wrote: > > Dede: > > Irregardless whether your dog has a stent or you mistakenly thought he had a shunt -- he should not be medicated/treated without a verifiable diagnosis! Again, no ultrasound costs $2000, your dog should not be receiving medications (steroids?), and you should not be using herbal medicines UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH HIM! You could end up harming or even killing your dog if you give him the wrong medicines or herbal treatments. > > It sounded to me like nothing showed up on the tests the doc did -- as was suggested before here, have you ever found out if the groomer tranquilized your dog? That absolutely sounds more plausible, and the way to solve that problem is to not use that groomer again -- not to inappropriately treat your dog! > Rubie in SW Oregon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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