Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Howdy y'all, I'm gonna comment .. and top post on this one cause its not a line by line reply to the below comments. The reason use of Hemp products is not authorized for use by military personnel is NOT because the DOD thinks it will give them a buzz on .. its because it can/might/has been used as a defense by attorneys who defend troops who showed positive on a urine test. It is easy to find accurate or skewed or spun or outright incorrect information on this with a Google check .. and I think that the answer is that the answer is NOT 100% conclusive .. or .. it IS 100% conclusive based on who conducted the test and what their agenda was. Can Some Hemp Products Trigger a Positive Drug Test? http://www.drugwar.com/news53.shtm U.S. Military Research Demonstrates that Hemp Foods Don't Contain Significant Amounts of the Drug THC http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templates/newsATemp.aspx?articleid=21867 & zoneid=5 Hemp Seed Products Off-Limits to Air Force Members http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/drugawareness/usafnews02a.html Whether or not civilians believe or disbelieve that use of products made with Hemp Seed Oil should or should not be used by military folks is not important because any research they conduct or opinions they have are already supported .. or proven false .. depending on which bit of research one wants to refer to. Accordingly, we must deal with it as it is .. not as we think it should be or wish it were. For now .. use of these products is prohibited for use by miliitary personnel. Are OSI or CID agents sneaking around looking into soldier's lockers to see if they have any Hemp Seed Oil products? Obviously they are not .. but the military has effectively .. and in my opinion, CORRECTLY, removed a potential alibi for the defense of soldiers who show positive on pee tests. This is good for the soldiers and it saves the military from having to spend tens of thousands of bucks for a dog and pony show courts martial. Commanders can handle the cases with a company level Article 15 (non judicial punishment) and unless the soldier is in a critical position ... punishment under this article of the UCMJ does not become a matter of permanent record .. as would conviction by a courts martial. If a soldier or his/her spunky defense council thinks they have a long shot at at being found innocent then they might reject that Article 15 and demand a courts martial .. not smart! Young Attorneys are not always the soldier's best friend .. some of them are looking to feather their own nests by defending and getting credit for establishing a precedent. Commanders, on the other hand, see their troops similar to the way the troop's parents see them .. they want to salvage those who have potential and eliminate those incorrigibles who have somehow made it through the system and have no value to the military or to society. One of the things commanders are rated on is their rate of salvage vs issuance of Bad Conduct or General Discharges .. and a good commander takes pride in those salvages .. plus it boosts morale in his/her organization. Courts martial are not designed to modify behavior .. they are designed to maintain discipline by punishing an offender .. and they are a federal record. Article 15 in the hands of a smart commander (which I believe almost all are) can modify behavior without scarring the soldier. In all of the units I commanded during my 30 years military service I used the Article 15 in a manner that the soldier's parents would have approved of. I would give the soldier two options .. (1) Something like loss of a stripe, or 60 days extra duty, or a fine of X amount of one month's pay .. or a combination of the three depending on the gravity of the offense .. or ... (2) .. " Get your sorry butt down to the Education Center and take the battery of CLEP tests .. and .. enroll in at least two off duty college level courses. If you fail either of these courses then the punishment stated in option (1) will be put into effect. I was proud that all of the units I ever commanded had a high percentage of soldiers with SOME college credit .. and many of these soldiers continued on to obtain degrees. Why did they do this? Because they learned that they were a helluva lot smarter than they previously were aware of. Why did I know that this would work? Because my first 9+ years in the military were in an enlisted status and I was fortunate enough to have a commander once give me that option .. he put me on a path that allowed me to retire as a senior officer with a masters degree. Even today I still get Christmas cards and e-mails from soldiers whose butts I once kicked .. they are successful and responsible citizens now. Trust the military to take care of its own. Is the system perfect? Hell No! If it was perfect we would not need a chain of command .. we would have no need to supervise .. and regardless of your rank in the military .. folks do best those things the boss checks. But those problem children we get were not created by wearing of the uniform .. they entered the service as such. Oh yea .. one thing is important to remember. If the military wanted the soldier to have a guardian mother or aunt or whatever .. they would have issued him/her one. ;-) Hope you all had a nice Christmas and have Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year. Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch ..... http://www.AV-AT.com <http://www.av-at.com/> PS: It is ONLY in basic training that what might appear to be " Mass Punishment " is authorized .. and in those cases the punishment is something minor like a GI Party (scrub the barracks) or some other detail that is designed to instill a sense of team work .. good training it is because you normally have a platoon of 35 " individuals " and there is no room for this in basic training .. that comes later. Some progressive organizations have become effective in America .. they wish to point us in a different direction. They (like the ACLU) are very selective in the cases they choose to champion .. but God Save Us All if they are ever able to subvert the organized military system and convert it into something similar to the Chaotic Goat Rope we find in the civilian world. Nobody forces a student to join the football team .. or a high school graduate to join the military .. but if young folks choose to do either then they better be prepared to play by the rules! > off to do some research.....i'll let you know if they are still as > stringent about that....as of last year it was a huge no and if in basic > training could get your whole platoon in a heap of trouble thereby making > you also in trouble with your peers. > > e > > > > The anti-hemp brainwashing of organizations has been remarkably effective. > > Hemp is one of Gaia's greatest gifts to humanity. > Your founding fathers knew that. > > If it were allowed to reach its full potential, it would interfere with > vested > interests in cotton, oil, lumber, medicine, and organized crime.... > > Ien in the Kootenays > http://freegreenliving.com (blog) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Oh yes I've heard about that. I was hoping the hemp oil might help just as much. ~Amber ---- Selkie 12/29/2008 8:29:38 AM Re: hemp and the military thats the 'other' hemp. the illegal one. it is used to reduce the pressure in the eyes due to glaucoma, you should be able to do a search on that. sorry digestors, still don't have my computer back yet. --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Stargazer <Stargazer wrote: Stargazer <Stargazer Re: hemp and the military Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:24 AM How is hemp oil used for glaucoma? ~Amber <<.... I also like the things that plant can make in general and there are myriad uses for hemp. I also wish it were in its cousins arena, used more and researched more for medicinal qualities. It is a known fact that it lessens the pressure in the eyes of those who suffer from glaucoma....> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Thanks for providing clarity Butch. I appreciate people like yourself, the " honest soldier " , as opposed to the political honchos who send people into harms way from behind a desk. Ien in the Kootenays http://freegreenliving.com (blog) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 posting this as a side note...i do make hemp soap and i love it, i dont make soap to sell(yet), but others have tried this soap and they like it too, BUT...my husband's occupation is directly related to Coast Guard affairs, so he stays away from the hemp soap. i do make other varieties for him to take with him when he leaves for work (he works away from home on the Tennessee River) hugs~Zoe , " Stargazer " <Stargazer wrote: > > Oh yes I've heard about that. I was hoping the hemp oil might help just as > much. > > ~Amber > > ---- > > Selkie > 12/29/2008 8:29:38 AM > > Re: hemp and the military > > thats the 'other' hemp. the illegal one. it is used to reduce the pressure > in the eyes due to glaucoma, you should be able to do a search on that. > sorry digestors, still don't have my computer back yet. > > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Stargazer <Stargazer wrote: > > Stargazer <Stargazer > Re: hemp and the military > > Monday, December 29, 2008, 2:24 AM > > How is hemp oil used for glaucoma? > > ~Amber > > > <<.... I also like the things that plant can make in general and there > are > myriad uses for hemp. I also wish it were in its cousins arena, used more > and researched more for medicinal qualities. It is a known fact that it > lessens the pressure in the eyes of those who suffer from glaucoma....> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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