Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 I'm a big believer in raw diets for our pets. There are two groups online that are designed for this specifically and would be happy to shared the links to anyone interested. Not sure if I should post them here. DE (food grade) can be fed to your animals for natural parasitic control (worms, but not heart worms). As far as spreading DE onto your pets skin directly... I wouldn't do it. It is just so drying to their skin. And you should avoid breathing this stuff into your lungs and letting your pets breathe it in. I would however sprinkle it all over carpets and bedding, let it sit for a good 20 minutes while you dry brush it into the fibers. Vacuum very well and use a HEPA filtered bag. Dump the bag into the trash and take the trash immediately outside. Fleas can and will escape and come right back into your house. Any all natural, tear free baby shampoo can be used to kill fleas on your pets. Start washing where there openings though (eyes, nose, ears, mouth, butt.. you name it!). The fleas will run and hide wherever they can! Repeat this every two weeks (including the DE and vacuuming) until all signs of the pests are gone. In the meantime... look into Springtime Bug Off garlic supplements. Or Earth Animal Internal Powder. These are garlic supplements for dogs and cats. For cats, use about 1/4 tsp daily. It changes the chemistry and/or scent of their blood and fleas and ticks don't like this at all. I've been doing this for years and never had a flea problem. Also, raw fed animals tend to attract far less parasites and mosquitos than kibble fed. It supports everything else described above. Jenn Who knows a lot more about her pets' health than her own! -- www.growingupgranby.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Hi Jenn, I agree with you, and I have been feeding my dog raw food such as chicken and beef. But recently, I talked with my brother in law who is a vet and he said he examines dogs that have liver ulcers and the one thing they have in common is a raw food diet. I don't know what to think about that. Have you heard anything regarding liver problems. Jennifer On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Jennifer <jenncurran wrote: > I'm a big believer in raw diets for our pets. There are two groups > online > that are designed for this specifically and would be happy to shared the > links to anyone interested. Not sure if I should post them here. > > DE (food grade) can be fed to your animals for natural parasitic control > (worms, but not heart worms). As far as spreading DE onto your pets skin > directly... I wouldn't do it. It is just so drying to their skin. And you > should avoid breathing this stuff into your lungs and letting your pets > breathe it in. I would however sprinkle it all over carpets and bedding, > let it sit for a good 20 minutes while you dry brush it into the fibers. > Vacuum very well and use a HEPA filtered bag. Dump the bag into the trash > and take the trash immediately outside. Fleas can and will escape and come > right back into your house. > > Any all natural, tear free baby shampoo can be used to kill fleas on your > pets. Start washing where there openings though (eyes, nose, ears, mouth, > butt.. you name it!). The fleas will run and hide wherever they can! > Repeat this every two weeks (including the DE and vacuuming) until all > signs > of the pests are gone. > > In the meantime... look into Springtime Bug Off garlic supplements. Or > Earth Animal Internal Powder. These are garlic supplements for dogs and > cats. For cats, use about 1/4 tsp daily. It changes the chemistry and/or > scent of their blood and fleas and ticks don't like this at all. I've been > doing this for years and never had a flea problem. > > Also, raw fed animals tend to attract far less parasites and mosquitos than > kibble fed. It supports everything else described above. > > Jenn > Who knows a lot more about her pets' health than her own! > > -- > www.growingupgranby.blogspot.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I haven't heard of liver problems from raw fed dogs. Although i do often coach raw feeders who are feeding too much bone and not sticking to the 80/10/10 ratio (80% meat, 10% bone, 10% organ meat). I would wonder if too much bone on a consistent basis would have anything to do with this? In my fostering of homeless dogs I have seen arthritic dogs run and jump, dogs suffering from seizures stop seizing all together and many other amazing changes in health due to a raw diet. What amazes me is that more vets aren't learning about this and seeing the changes. I cannot understand how it is that I can learn this, see the drastic improvements that I have but vets mostly ignore it. Frustrating that they will quickly " prescribe " certain foods that are mostly corn and by-products but not " prescribe " actual, healthy food! And we wonder how it is that dog life expectancy has been halved since the 1950's. Isn't it obvious? Its called " kibble. " Frustration doesn't begin to cover it! Jenn -- www.growingupgranby.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Thank you for your reply Jenn, I think mostly the offending meat was chicken. And I was feeding my dog probably 50% bone because of the legs. I think maybe I will change his diet to organ meat and maybe ground beef. What do u think? He really likes the raw meat and is very healthy. Jen On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Jennifer <jenncurran wrote: > I haven't heard of liver problems from raw fed dogs. Although i do > often coach raw feeders who are feeding too much bone and not sticking > to the 80/10/10 ratio (80% meat, 10% bone, 10% organ meat). I would > wonder if too much bone on a consistent basis would have anything to > do with this? > > In my fostering of homeless dogs I have seen arthritic dogs run and > jump, dogs suffering from seizures stop seizing all together and many > other amazing changes in health due to a raw diet. > > What amazes me is that more vets aren't learning about this and seeing > the changes. I cannot understand how it is that I can learn this, see > the drastic improvements that I have but vets mostly ignore it. > Frustrating that they will quickly " prescribe " certain foods that are > mostly corn and by-products but not " prescribe " actual, healthy food! > > And we wonder how it is that dog life expectancy has been halved since > the 1950's. Isn't it obvious? Its called " kibble. " > > Frustration doesn't begin to cover it! > > Jenn > > -- > www.growingupgranby.blogspot.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 One of my favorite shows is " It's Me or the Dog " . Victoria Stillwell says that dogs love the taste/smell of garlic and they also like veggies (such as stir fry). She recommended taking a bit of dry food, some steamed veggies, garlic and warming it up in a pan. Judging by the dog's reaction, it was pretty tasty. She just used regular garlic like we use in cooking. I am allergic and don't have any pets myself but thought I would pass this along. Cynthia , Jennifer <jenncurran wrote: > > In the meantime... look into Springtime Bug Off garlic supplements. Or > Earth Animal Internal Powder. These are garlic supplements for dogs and > cats. For cats, use about 1/4 tsp daily. It changes the chemistry and/or > scent of their blood and fleas and ticks don't like this at all. I've been > doing this for years and never had a flea problem. > > Also, raw fed animals tend to attract far less parasites and mosquitos than > kibble fed. It supports everything else described above. > > Jenn > Who knows a lot more about her pets' health than her own! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 I saw this on another list and it has me concerned - what do you guys think? Kathy > > This is why we don't worm with garlic (or alliums). Personally we use > sunflower seed,cloves,and DE. Using garlic or other alliums is toxic to > dogs and cats. Giving repeated daily doses or even 1 large dose can be > fatal. > Old remedies are good when combined with present day knowledge. That's why > articles are very important and relevant instead of first hand experience. > I always say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. And so is picking > and choosing what you " like " or " hear " instead of doing the research for > yourself. Don't play the blame game-do your homework,get opinions and > facts,and use your head!!As my folks used to say- " that's why you're given a > brain-use it! " > > Barb > > Toxicology Brief: Allium species poisoning in dogs and cats > Aug 1, 2005 > By: R.B. Cope, BSc, BVSc, PhD > VETERINARY MEDICINE > > Wild and domesticated Allium species have been used for culinary and > ethnomedicinal purposes since the beginning of recorded history. About 95 > species of native or cultivated leeks, chives, garlic, shallots, scallions, > and onions are present in North America, and more than 80 ornamental Allium > species are available. All Allium species and the products derived from > them can be toxic to dogs and cats1; however, relatively few Allium species > are of important toxicologic interest. > > The domesticated species commonly involved in toxicosis include Allium cepa > (onion), Allium porrum (leek), Allium sativum (garlic), and Allium > schoenoprasum (chive). The plants form solitary or clustered bulbs and are > strongly aromatic, with an onion or garlic odor when crushed. The > distinctive aroma distinguishes Allium species from morphologically similar > poisonous plants, particularly death camas (Zigadenus species).1 > > Toxicity > > Allium species contain a wide variety of organosulfoxides, particularly > alk(en)ylcysteine sulfoxides. Trauma to the plants, such as chewing, > converts the organosulfoxides to a complex mixture of sulfur-containing > organic compounds. Many of these compounds or their metabolites are > responsible for the odors, flavors, and pharmacologic effects of these > plants. Many Allium species' organosulfur compounds appear to be readily > absorbed through the gastrointestinal tract and are metabolized to highly > reactive oxidants.2 Cooking or spoilage of Allium species does not reduce > their potential toxicity.1 > > Mechanism of action > > The primary toxicologic mechanism of Allium species-derived organosulfur > compounds is oxidative hemolysis, which occurs when the concentration of > oxidants in the erythrocyte exceeds the capacity of the antioxidant > metabolic pathways. Catalase antioxidant activity in erythrocytes in dogs > is low,3 and normal hemoglobin in cats is about two to three times more > susceptible to oxidative damage than the hemoglobin in other species.4 > > Oxidation of the exposed beta-93 cysteine residues present in hemoglobin > results in the formation of sulfhemoglobin.5 Sulfhemoglobin is less soluble > than hemoglobin, so it precipitates, aggregates, and binds to the cell > membrane and forms Heinz bodies. Other types of oxidation of hemoglobin > globin chains result in membrane cross-linking reactions and eccentrocyte > formation.6 The formation of Heinz bodies and eccentrocytes increases > erythrocyte fragility and extravascular hemolysis. Direct oxidative damage > to the erythrocyte cell membrane and its sodium-potassium pump or the > oxidative production of hemin also contributes to cell lysis. Oxidation of > the heme ion and associated methemoglobinemia results in a left shift of > the hemoglobin-oxygen dissociation curve, decreased blood oxygen > transportation capacity, and, ultimately, impaired delivery of oxygen to > the tissues. > > Thus, the result of the oxidative hemolytic process induced by Allium > species consumption is the onset of anemia, methemoglobinemia, and impaired > oxygen transportation. Although marked Heinz body formation may be present > within a day after onions are ingested, the anemic nadir typically develops > several days later. > > Allicin and ajoene, pharmacologically active agents in garlic, are potent > cardiac and smooth muscle relaxants, vasodilators, and hypotensive > agents.7-9 Also, ajoene and other organosulfur compounds derived from > onions are potent antithrombotic agents.10 Thus, hypotensive and > antithrombotic effects can exacerbate the physiologic effects of anemia and > impaired oxygen transportation. Garlic preparations that have not been aged > cause direct damage to the gastric and ileal mucosa, resulting in pain and > diarrhea.11 > > Exposure and susceptibility > > Allium species toxicosis most commonly occurs after oral consumption. In > addition to consuming fresh plant material, consuming juice, fresh and aged > dietary supplements, powdered cooking preparations, dehydrated material, or > food preparations derived from or containing Allium species can be > potentially toxic to dogs and cats.1Allium species toxicosis typically > ensues after consumption of a single large quantity of the material or > repeated small amounts. Dogs and cats are highly susceptible to onion > toxicosis: Consumption of as little as 5 g/kg of onions in cats or 15 to 30 > g/kg in dogs has resulted in clinically important hematologic changes. > Onion toxicosis is consistently noted in animals that ingest more than 0.5% > of their body weight in onions at one time. > Pages | 1 | 2 | 3more > > http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/vetmed/Medicine/Toxicology-Brief-iAlliu > mi-species-poisoning-in-dog/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/174478 > > Onion and garlic poisoning Top > Onions and garlic are other dangerous food ingredients that cause sickness > in dogs, cats and also livestock. Onions and garlic contain the toxic > ingredient thiosulphate. Onions are more of a danger. > > Pets affected by onion toxicity will develop haemolytic anaemia, where the > pet's red blood cells burst while circulating in its body. > > At first, pets affected by onion poisoning show gastroenteritis with > vomiting and diarrhoea. They will show no interest in food and will be dull > and weak. The red pigment from the burst blood cells appears in an affected > animal's urine and it becomes breathless. The breathlessness occurs > because the red blood cells that carry oxygen through the body are reduced > in number. > > The poisoning occurs a few days after the pet has eaten the onion. All > forms of onion can be a problem including dehydrated onions, raw onions, > cooked onions and table scraps containing cooked onions and/or garlic. Left > over pizza, Chinese dishes and commercial baby food containing onion, > sometimes fed as a supplement to young pets, can cause illness. > > Onion poisoning can occur with a single ingestion of large quantities or > with repeated meals containing small amounts of onion. A single meal of 600 > to 800 grams of raw onion can be dangerous whereas a ten-kilogram dog, fed > 150 grams of onion for several days, is also likely to develop anaemia. The > condition improves once the dog is prevented from eating any further onion > > While garlic also contains the toxic ingredient thiosulphate, it seems that > garlic is less toxic and large amounts would need to be eaten to cause > illness. - Cynthia Conn Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:42 PM Re: Cats and Dogs - Raw, fleas and DE One of my favorite shows is " It's Me or the Dog " . Victoria Stillwell says that dogs love the taste/smell of garlic and they also like veggies (such as stir fry). She recommended taking a bit of dry food, some steamed veggies, garlic and warming it up in a pan. Judging by the dog's reaction, it was pretty tasty. She just used regular garlic like we use in cooking. I am allergic and don't have any pets myself but thought I would pass this along. Cynthia , Jennifer <jenncurran wrote: > > In the meantime... look into Springtime Bug Off garlic supplements. Or > Earth Animal Internal Powder. These are garlic supplements for dogs and > cats. For cats, use about 1/4 tsp daily. It changes the chemistry and/or > scent of their blood and fleas and ticks don't like this at all. I've been > doing this for years and never had a flea problem. > > Also, raw fed animals tend to attract far less parasites and mosquitos than > kibble fed. It supports everything else described above. > > Jenn > Who knows a lot more about her pets' health than her own! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 barb you forgot my grand faters favort saying to go with use you brain for somthing besides a hat rack ....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 re: garlic poisoning I think anything done to excess or improperly can be fatal. I use products that are tested, time tested and created specifically for dogs. A dear friend of mine has successfully used garlic (along with limited vaccines/no vaccines, raw diet, bolstered immune systems) for over 40 years. She was a nationally known JRT breeder, is a world-renown animal trainer and behaviorist who has treated hundreds of dogs in her lifetime. Garlic is one of the great gifts if used properly. Please note that the source indicated is a veterinarian site. The same folks who don't like the idea of garlic but embrace shooting pesticides and neurotoxins into our pets. ;0) Jenn -- www.growingupgranby.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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