OT: Dawgs and Grapes - Toxic?

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Howdy y'all,

 

Hope everybody had a nice Thanksgiving Day .. and those folks who don't

celebrate that day were able to realize a lot of things they should be thankful

for .. starting with .. like waking up and seeing the sun.

 

Got a question for those who are real dawg experts .. not folks like me who know

a lot about dawgs but are not truly experts. ;-)

 

On the I-Net I read:

 

Grapes and Raisins can cause irreversible damage to the kidneys, possible

resulting in death.

 

Ingesting as few as 4-5 grapes or raisins can be poisonous to a 20 pound dog,

though the exact toxic dose is not established.

 

Signs of toxicity include vomiting, loss of appetite, diarrhea, abdominal pain,

decreased urine production (possibly leading to lack of urine production),

weakness and drunken gait.

 

Onset of signs typically occurs within 24 hours (though they can start just a

few hours after consumption).

 

Your vet may start by inducing vomiting, or the stomach might be pumped (gastric

lavage). Treatment involves aggressive supportive care - particularly fluid

therapy and medications.

 

I am wondering if thy have their finger on the scales .. or maybe if this is not

simply a passing along of misinformation .. such as is common in our

Aromatherapy industry. The reason I ask is ..

 

Down the road from us lives a big ol sweet honey bear .. my son rides her like a

pony .. a big Yellow Lab named Scout. She weighs a tad over 100 pounds. Scout

eats everything .. eats hard corn from the fields like a hawg .. comes into our

yard and scarfs up our Grapes, Blueberries, Raspberries, Apples, Cherries and

whatever else she can get her jaws around. When Blueberries are in she has a

blue mouth.

 

But .. she has never had ill effect from this. Our Strawberries are in a fence

... the rest is outside so she has access to it.

 

We also have 4 Black Lab pups .. 4 months old now .. born 31 July .. so they

have not had a chance to eat these fruits .. but they will have the chance next

year. They love cooked vegetables and are nuts over deer sicles and years back

I had a Black Lab that was like Scout, she would eat whatever she found.

 

Next to me and our son, Tanya is in love with these little Black Lab crappers

and we have put in an Invisible Fence around our 2.5 acres to keep them in .. it

does work .. but it does not keep other dawgs out .. so Scout visits daily and

come next year our pups will also have access to those grapes.

 

I called our Vet regarding the grapes thing .. a youngun he ain't .. 67 years

old and still practicing. He said he had read this but had never heard of a dog

being harmed by eating them and in our rural area of West Tennessee probably

half the folks around have grapes growing on their land.

 

If there is REALITY to this tale of grapes being dangerous for dawgs .. then I

want to fence in that area.

 

Any info would be appreciated.

 

Y'all have a good one .. and keep smiling. :-)

 

Butch .. http://www.AV-AT.com

[Guest guest]

heya Butch

 

I've heard something like this recently, that grapes can be bad news for

dogs. I was surprised.

 

Even Snopes agrees that raisins and grapes are a puppy dog no-no. Onions and

Macadamia nuts too. weird and weirder.

 

I only heard about the grapes myself about a month ago. Did a bit of

checking like you.

 

Hope that helps.

 

K

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Butch <butchowen wrote:

 

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[Guest guest]

Butch and all,

 

Raisins and grapes have indeed been linked to toxic issues in dogs, also in

Ferrets (my critters) who also love raisins. Here is a link to ASPCA

articles:

 

*http://tinyurl.com/y9uqsdh*

 

Unfortunately the cause has yet to be determined, but renal failure can

result in sensitive animals. Raisins and grapes are much like chocolate -

I've had dogs who have eaten a substantial amount of chocolate without

showing any signs of distress, but have read quite a few cases where dogs

died after ingesting a moderate amount. Definitely a " better safe than

sorry " case.

 

Hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving!

 

Melissa Bell

P2 Student Pharmacist, GCOP-ETSU

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Butch:

My vet told me not to allow our dogs to eat grapes, raisins, pork if they are

smaller dogs (they have a pancreas problem & can die from pork--ours nearly

did), no cheese for small dogs and no Salmon fish raw from the ocean because

that will kill a dog and did one of my daughter's Westies. I give ours lots of

garlic in their food and no onions or it will make them really ill. Anywho,

there is the list and if I can remember anything else, I'll send it to ya.

Jenn in Oregon

 

, " Butch " <butchowen wrote:

>

> Howdy y'all,

>

> Hope everybody had a nice Thanksgiving Day .. and those folks who don't

celebrate that day were able to realize a lot of things they should be thankful

for .. starting with .. like waking up and seeing the sun.

>

> Got a question for those who are real dawg experts .. not folks like me who

know a lot about dawgs but are not truly experts. ;-)

>

> On the I-Net I read:

>

> Grapes and Raisins can cause irreversible damage to the kidneys, possible

resulting in death.

>

> Ingesting as few as 4-5 grapes or raisins can be poisonous to a 20 pound dog,

though the exact toxic dose is not established.

>

> Signs of toxicity include vomiting, loss of appetite, diarrhea, abdominal

pain, decreased urine production (possibly leading to lack of urine production),

weakness and drunken gait.

>

> Onset of signs typically occurs within 24 hours (though they can start just a

few hours after consumption).

>

> Your vet may start by inducing vomiting, or the stomach might be pumped

(gastric lavage). Treatment involves aggressive supportive care - particularly

fluid therapy and medications.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Butch,

All I can say is when I was young I had a bitza named Snowy, (part collie, part

kelpie plus a few other breeds I suspect) and he ate grapes straight from the

vine (pulled carrots up and ate them too, when my father found the tops I got

blamed lol). Snowy lived to a ripe old age but he was a big dog, so maybe that

makes a difference.

 

Virginia

West Aussie

> if there is REALITY to this tale of grapes being dangerous for dawgs

> .. then I want to fence in that area.

[Guest guest]

Butch, sometimes I gotta wonder......we're talking about animals who eat road

kill past the buzzard stage.....my dog lived to a ripe old age eating grapes, a

soda can, sticks, siding, basically anything she could get in her mouth except

chocolate of course. She had one adverse effect and that was from walmarts old

'greenlight' flea and tick spray. She came from Wyoming to Oklahoma and was not

used to such critters and almost died from tick fever......vet said she would

not make it......she did.......as long as I kept her nose wiped off so she could

SMELL food she would eat it and then I force fed her liquids and lo and behold

she did indeed rally back only to have me spray her ONE time with that product

and immediately she went into seizures......Walmart failed to divulge that the

flea and tick spray was in fact Dursban and was responsible for more dog deaths

in this area. He knew exactly what I'd used and for several years she did

continue to have

seizures but he never told me to keep her from grapes. He DID tell me not to

let her eat grapefruit given the meds she had to take.......so who knows?

 

That product is no longer sold. I will ask a vet who lives down the street from

me. As far as I know? the grapes we had on our land never so much as harmed a

hair on her. I think there is a pycnogenol for dogs and a polyphenol for

dogs.......dont hold me to that but I was thinking that there was a list of neat

natural things for dogs.....brewers yeast etc.

 

If I'm told this is bad I'll sure let you know.

 

evie

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

 

 

I was told by my vet - NO GRAPES. I have a cocker spaniel who LOVES grapes

as well as bananas and melons and blueberries and mango and oranges.. I

have the impression that the issue with grapes is more with the skin than

the flesh and that not all dogs will have a negative reaction but those who

do will have a bad reaction. If I remember correctly, it will affect their

hearts.anyway, I've opted to not risk it.Tanner gets no grapes no matter how

much he begs.

 

 

 

They say no chocolate for dogs, too. I had a mutt when I was a kid who

routinely shared home-made chocolate chip cookies with no ill effect. But,

there are dogs who have died from eating even small amounts. Why chance it?

You know?

 

 

 

Tina