Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 I'm kinda bummed...after working so hard to put my family's health on my own hands and save a TON of money in the process, I might end up forced to pay for insurance I will never use. That's why I started using essential oils in the first place! Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Huh? I totally agree with essential oil and alternative treatments, but what if you or yours get a life threatening diagnosis .. or a broken bone? I have RA and and HMO. I don't agree with their treatment plan from my HMO for my autoimmune disease and I never go in for that ... but I would never stop paying for the insurance. My mother had lukemia ... her treatment cost a $10 co-pay .... I delivered a baby ... $10 co-pay..... can you imagine ... $10!!!???? So, I have the insurance but my auto-immune IS in my own hands and I am proactive on that with an ND at my own expense but ALL of the other things that can go wrong are covered and I don't rely on welfare to take care of us if we get sick. And ... as it is set up now, I could never get health care coverage with a pre-existing " condition " . Annie On Mar 22, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Lisa wrote: > I'm kinda bummed...after working so hard to put my family's health > on my own hands and save a TON of money in the process, I might end > up forced to pay for insurance I will never use. That's why I > started using essential oils in the first place! > > Lisa > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Here is a start Analyzing Healthcare Bill....Wordings and their INTENTION... Re: 'More public information on Healthcare Bill. A friend sent me the first memo from the judge in Texas'. 'You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens.' *comments in parenthesis were contained in the email Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!! Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get. Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!! Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice! Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise. Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!) Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry) Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN). Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the'Exchange.' Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The Govt will ration your health care! Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation:illegal aliens.) Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.) Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!) Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.) Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No " judicial review " against Govt monopoly. Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make. Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!) Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.) Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.) Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll. Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income. Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always) Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALLAmericans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees) Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: " The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax. " (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead) Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.) Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!) Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc.(Literally-- the value of humans.) Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for " private " HC industries. Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs. Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing! Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e...re-admissions). Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you. Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!) Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.) Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?) Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of=2 outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.) Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan) Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable!Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a " Tele-Health Advisory Committee. " (Can you say HC by phone?) Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates " Advance-Care Planning Consult. " (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.) Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!) Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an " approved " list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.) Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on " end-of-life. " (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!) Page 429 Lines 1-9: An " advanced-care planning consultant " will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates. Page 429 Lines 10-12: An " advanced care consultation " may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?) Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!) Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again -- no choice!) Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!) Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.) Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services. Every American voting in this November 2010 elections should know how their Senators and members of the United States House of Representatives voted on their behalf either for or against Health Care Reform and vote in November accordingly. Marches and Rallies In Washington DC March 19-21 On the mall in Washington DC will be a VOLATILE mixed bag of people and protesters marching on behalf of " U.S. Out of Afghanistan and Iraq Now! " , " United For Peace and Justice " , " The Mother of All Tea Parties: " Kill the Bill " march on Washington wherein Communists, Socialists, Jihadists, and lunatics are expected to all gather this weekend for what may turn into pandemonium. Don't Be Naive ...This doesn't have to happen ... but it could! 2010 is a dangerous year on many fronts.There has been speculation by many for months, that preparations for a state of emergency and 'executive order and declaration of martial law have been underway in anticipation of civil unrest. Martial law if imposed would change the rules of the game for all Americans and halt November elections leaving current runaway government agendas unstoppable. There are people on both sides of American issues who are capable of crossing a line which could affect American liberty. http://endrunlv.blogspot.com/2010/03/be-advised-friend-and-contributor-of.html http://www.naturalnews.com/028416_health_care_reform_legislation.html NaturalNews) Today the medical mafia struck another devastating blow to the health and freedom of all Americans. With the support of an inarguably corrupt Congress that has simply abandoned the real needs of the American people, the sick-care industry has locked in a high-profit scheme of disease and monopoly-priced pharmaceuticals in a nation that can ill afford either one. And this Pharma-funded betrayal, it turns out, was led by the Democrats. Passed on a 219-212 vote that was only accomplished thanks to closed-door, last-minute secret meetings among the last holdouts, this new legislation puts America under the stranglehold of the medical mafia while doing absolutely nothing to address real health care reform. There is no mention in the bill, for example, of vitamin D for preventing cancer, or orthomolecular medicine for preventing degenerative disease. There's not even a word about protecting health freedom or ending the century of oppression that has been waged against naturopathic practitioners by the AMA, FDA and FTC. The new legislation does, however, lock in billions of dollars in monopoly profits for the pharmaceutical companies -- the same companies who spent millions of dollars pushing for its passage and who depend on the continuation of sickness and disease for their future profits. There's only one problem with this health care reform bill: It doesn't reform health care. It has almost nothing to do with health care at all, in fact: It's really more of an effort to expand a broken sick-care system. When faced with the problem that our sick-care system doesn't work, Congress somehow decided that fixing the problem merely involved expanding the failures to include everyone! And you don't even get a choice in the matter, either. All Americans are now required to pay into a sick-care system of monopolized, pharmaceutical medicine even if they reject that failed system of medicine. So the healthy people who actually take responsibility for their health are financially penalized and forced to subsidize profits for drug companies! Watch my recent video called Healthy Without Health Insurance in America. It's on YouTube right now at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWuX... Has America gone mad? I love America. Or, more accurately, I love what America is supposed to stand for: Freedom, opportunity, abundance, free choice, diversity... But I'm increasingly noticing that America's leaders don't believe in those ideals at all. They are betraying the American people by selling out our futures to the corporate monopolists. They are turning America into a corporatocracy, and the passage of this monopoly sick-care system is yet another perfect example of just how easily our own lawmakers will sell out the People just to appease the powerful chemical industrialists who dominate medicine today. They have sold out our futures to keep themselves in power, and isn't that the worst kind of betrayal of all? People's live are on the line here. While people like myself and many other health freedom champions are fighting for health freedom and an end to human suffering among our fellow brothers and sisters, we've got our national leaders essentially aiming the artillery at our own people and yelling " Fire! " Through their actions with this health care reform bill, they are forcing people into circumstances that are going to cost countless lives and many trillions of dollars in wasted expenditures and lost economic productivity. Our Congress has betrayed us (yet again). I believe that with perhaps the exception of Rep. Ron Paul, every single Senator and House Representative should be thrown out of office at the next election, stripped of their power and sent home to face their home-district families that they have now doomed to a lifetime of sickness, disease and pharmaceutical toxicity. Our national leaders claim to be voting on Health Care but what they really delivered was Hell Care, because dying of cancer while on chemotherapy while no doctor can legally tell you that vitamin D prevents 4 out of 5 cancers is, indeed, a living hell (or dying hell, in this case). - " Monica I " <cleo2010 Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:32 PM {SPAMFILTER} Re: OT: Health Care Bill > Sorry to hear about your situation, but I am happy we are having universal > health care. My uncle and aunt died from cancer last year...My uncle died > 2 weeks after finding out he had cancer. The doctors said the cancer was > in the final stage, since he did not have health care he never could > afford to go to the doctor to get treatment until it was too late. I love > herbal medicine, but somethings can not be fixed by herbal medicine. If my > uncle had univeral health care he would be alive today....I am thankful > the bill was pasted for the many people who are living with something, but > can not afford to go to the doctor or their insurance will not cover....We > pay for everything else with our tax money, why is there such a problem to > health care??? > > , " Lisa " <lisamerrill2007 wrote: >> >> I'm kinda bummed...after working so hard to put my family's health on my >> own hands and save a TON of money in the process, I might end up forced >> to pay for insurance I will never use. That's why I started using >> essential oils in the first place! >> >> Lisa >> > > > > > --- > > The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute > for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional. > > Absolutely no forwarding or copying, in whole or in part, of any messages > or postings to others outside the list without the express, written > consent of every author of a message included in the forward or copy. > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: > /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 I am sorry to hear about your uncle. Not going to the doctor for lack of insurance is sad. However, one thing you should also know is that it is not always the healthcare system at fault when someone is not diagnosed until they are in the final stages of cancer. The FIRST thing is that testing is not done because the older generation does not WANT to go to the doctor's. Or they go and the doctor misses it because there are no outward signs of cancer (which there is not in many cases). My father had lung cancer and was not diagnosed until it went to his brain and he was in stage 4, he was literally in a coma when he was diagnosed. How awful, but it was because of the doctor - he did not take a cough that would not go away seriously. One little Xray would have shown the cancer, it was a huge mass. My mother was diagnosed with cancer in the hospital for what we thought was a stomach flu and she was in stage 3 and too late for surgery. She died 5 days later of a pulmonary embolism. My point here is that we should be our OWN ADVOCATES when going to a doctor and read and educate ourselves about all possible testing BEFORE it's too late. If my mom would have had a Colonoscopy (she didn't want to get one) 3 years prior, she would still be alive. For sure. People, you should always question your doctor if you don't think something is right and demand the proper testing. Case in point: I had issues months ago and my doctor said it was nothing, and after I MADE him test me for Lyme, it was Lyme. I could have been seriously sick for the rest of my life had I not done this. We know our own bodies. Anyway, yes our healthcare sucks, but I don't believe this is going to change anything. I have done all the research on the systems in the UK and Canada for a college paper, and they have their own problems. Waiting in lines, waiting for routine procedures that causes so much stress, not enough money in the system for research and development, etc. I wish it would help, alas, I am not very hopeful. Regards, Kathi ******************** Kathi Kirschner Site Services Leader 1125 Trenton-Harbourton Rd Titusville, NJ Desk: 609-730-7519 Cell: 267-994-4945 Fax: 609-730-8523 kkirsch1 ******************** http://www.tibotec.com <http://www.tibotec.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Don't be bummed. What about an emergency, say a car accident? This is what I remind people of, even if it's not your fault. I am the victim of a life-changing accident that happened years ago, made me aware that everything I've scrimped and saved for could go up in a cloud of dust, one big insurance claim away from being bankrupted. I use alternative treatments for all that I can (and for that I don't want a Dr. managing), and have health insurance for the just in case. Things happen that we don't expect. You'll be protected in case one of those things happen, god forbid. On Behalf Of annie Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:25 AM Re: OT: Health Care Bill Huh? I totally agree with essential oil and alternative treatments, but what if you or yours get a life threatening diagnosis .. or a broken bone? I have RA and and HMO. I don't agree with their treatment plan from my HMO for my autoimmune disease and I never go in for that ... but I would never stop paying for the insurance. My mother had lukemia ... her treatment cost a $10 co-pay .... I delivered a baby ... $10 co-pay..... can you imagine ... $10!!!???? So, I have the insurance but my auto-immune IS in my own hands and I am proactive on that with an ND at my own expense but ALL of the other things that can go wrong are covered and I don't rely on welfare to take care of us if we get sick. And ... as it is set up now, I could never get health care coverage with a pre-existing " condition " . Annie On Mar 22, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Lisa wrote: > I'm kinda bummed...after working so hard to put my family's health > on my own hands and save a TON of money in the process, I might end > up forced to pay for insurance I will never use. That's why I > started using essential oils in the first place! > > Lisa > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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