Health care bill

[Guest guest]

I worked at a level 1 trauma center,university hospital, inner city.  As an RN

on a busy, busy floor, I realize tragedies can and do happen.  I hadn't  seen

the gross negligence I've been reading about in these posts.  We never knew who

had insurance and who didn't.  No one was treated any differently. During shift

change report, nothing was mentioned about poor, rich, insured etc.  It's not

like that on the floors. 

 

Julia

 

 

 

 

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Julia Graber Cregger RN

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Well, my problem is that I don't WANT health insurance, and I don't appreciate

being FORCED into it. The doctors I see don't accept insurance anyway (and

definitely aren't preferred providers for anyone), I rarely see medical doctors,

and I maintain my own emergency fund. I'd rather save what I would've paid as

premiums and stash it myself rather than pay someone else to do it for me.

 

Yes, my son has been in the hospital, and yes it was expensive, but no more

expensive than insurance would've been.

 

I also don't agree with car insurance or any other insurance...I believe it's my

own responsibility to pay if something happens, not an insurance company, and

certainly not the government's responsibility to force me to waste my money on

something I strongly don't believe in.

[Guest guest]

You don't believe in car insurance? What would happen if you hit

someone and they lost their ability to work? You must have a large

bank account to think that you could compensate this person.

 

I don't want to poke my head into your politics but I have to say how

shocked I am that some people are more concerned about money than the

welfare of their fellow citizens.

 

 

On 26-Mar-10, at 10:30 AM, Lisa wrote:

 

> Well, my problem is that I don't WANT health insurance, and I don't

> appreciate being FORCED into it. The doctors I see don't accept

> insurance anyway (and definitely aren't preferred providers for

> anyone), I rarely see medical doctors, and I maintain my own

> emergency fund. I'd rather save what I would've paid as premiums

> and stash it myself rather than pay someone else to do it for me.

>

> Yes, my son has been in the hospital, and yes it was expensive, but

> no more expensive than insurance would've been.

>

> I also don't agree with car insurance or any other insurance...I

> believe it's my own responsibility to pay if something happens, not

> an insurance company, and certainly not the government's

> responsibility to force me to waste my money on something I

> strongly don't believe in.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

hallelujah

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Lisa

Friday, March 26, 2010 10:30 AM

 

Re: Health care bill

 

 

 

 

 

Well, my problem is that I don't WANT health insurance, and I don't

appreciate being FORCED into it. The doctors I see don't accept

insurance anyway (and definitely aren't preferred providers for anyone),

I rarely see medical doctors, and I maintain my own emergency fund. I'd

rather save what I would've paid as premiums and stash it myself rather

than pay someone else to do it for me.

 

Yes, my son has been in the hospital, and yes it was expensive, but no

more expensive than insurance would've been.

 

I also don't agree with car insurance or any other insurance...I believe

it's my own responsibility to pay if something happens, not an insurance

company, and certainly not the government's responsibility to force me

to waste my money on something I strongly don't believe in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I agree that it should be a choice - some people just don't want to pay

for uninsured people! And yes, some of the uninsured are lazy, but some

are seriously out of work for whatever reason - health, whatever, some

can't afford it, some are just loafs. I believe that everyone is

concerned about money in the long run - isn't that what all this is

about? The people who are for this reform think that it's going to be a

magic bullet and make everything fair. That is a joke.

 

When you give government control over a little of your life, you end up

having government control over more, then more, then some day you HAVE

no life. This is where we are heading, in my opinion. I personally do

not want the government to control my life (which healthcare IS).

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Jessica Burman

Friday, March 26, 2010 10:40 AM

 

Re: Re: Health care bill

 

You don't believe in car insurance? What would happen if you hit

someone and they lost their ability to work? You must have a large

bank account to think that you could compensate this person.

 

I don't want to poke my head into your politics but I have to say how

shocked I am that some people are more concerned about money than the

welfare of their fellow citizens.

 

 

On 26-Mar-10, at 10:30 AM, Lisa wrote:

 

> Well, my problem is that I don't WANT health insurance, and I don't

> appreciate being FORCED into it. The doctors I see don't accept

> insurance anyway (and definitely aren't preferred providers for

> anyone), I rarely see medical doctors, and I maintain my own

> emergency fund. I'd rather save what I would've paid as premiums

> and stash it myself rather than pay someone else to do it for me.

>

> Yes, my son has been in the hospital, and yes it was expensive, but

> no more expensive than insurance would've been.

>

> I also don't agree with car insurance or any other insurance...I

> believe it's my own responsibility to pay if something happens, not

> an insurance company, and certainly not the government's

> responsibility to force me to waste my money on something I

> strongly don't believe in.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This is my big reason too. Call me a rebel but I can't help it - I grew up

in a free country. Don't force me to pay with the threat of the IRS dawgs if

I don't or worse...can't pay.

Good post.

Kathy

-

" Lisa " <lisamerrill2007

 

Friday, March 26, 2010 10:30 AM

Re: Health care bill

 

 

> Well, my problem is that I don't WANT health insurance, and I don't

> appreciate being FORCED into it.

[Guest guest]

Dear Lisa,

 

When I was 16, I was a passenger in a serious accident.  Two of us were not

seriously hurt, but I spent two weeks in the hospital with a head injury (the

doctors called my fast healing miraculous, I called it " I'm missing the last two

weeks of summer vacation and I need to get out of the hospital " ).  The driver

is still in a vegetative state, almost seventeen years later.

 

Anyway, what if it had been you driving that car?

 

Would you be able to pay for me, out of your magic bank account, for two weeks

in the hospital?  One of those weeks was in ICU, where I needed 24-hour care. 

Could you afford that?  All the machines I had hooked up to me for the first

week, all the IV's, the anti-seizure drugs, the tests.. can your bank account

cover that?  What about the year of follow up appointments?  Oh, I almost

forgot.. the ambulance that came down to the site pick us all up, and then the

helicopters that had to MedFlight us into the city.  Can you pay for all of

that in cash?? 

 

Because the driver's car insurance paid all those bills for me.  It was over

$100,000, closer to $200,000. 

 

Do you have at least that much in your bank account? 

 

Oh, and I was being completely selfish here.. I was only thinking about you

paying MY hospital bills.  Not the other two that were let out within a few

days with minor injuries or the driver that still needs contant health care.

 

Lisa

(at Wunder Budder)

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Lisa <lisamerrill2007

 

Fri, March 26, 2010 10:30:09 AM

Re: Health care bill

 

 

Well, my problem is that I don't WANT health insurance, and I don't appreciate

being FORCED into it. The doctors I see don't accept insurance anyway (and

definitely aren't preferred providers for anyone), I rarely see medical doctors,

and I maintain my own emergency fund. I'd rather save what I would've paid as

premiums and stash it myself rather than pay someone else to do it for me.

 

Yes, my son has been in the hospital, and yes it was expensive, but no more

expensive than insurance would've been.

 

I also don't agree with car insurance or any other insurance... I believe it's

my own responsibility to pay if something happens, not an insurance company, and

certainly not the government's responsibility to force me to waste my money on

something I strongly don't believe in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I think it's my own responsibility to deal with it if I hurt someone. If I

choose to put that responsibility on someone else, then there's nothign wrong

with that, but I would rather be responsible myself. I believe that we should

have freedom of CHOICE (what a novel concept!).

[Guest guest]

No, I'm not rich...far from it, as a matter of fact. However, you can always

make payments for such things, get a second job, etc. Whatever I choose to do

to pay for such occasions is my own business, not the government's. As I said,

my son was in the hospital for an extended period of time last year (most of the

time in ICU, as well) and it was NOT cheap. We're working our way through that

one and will work our way through whatever else comes at us because we realize

that we alone are responsible for managing our finances, not Uncle Sam.

[Guest guest]

<I'd rather save what I would've paid as premiums and stash it myself rather

than pay someone else to do it for me. >

 

I am having a really hard time with this bill. I am all in favor of

a government-run insurance scheme, and thank my lucky stars

that Canada has medicare. It may not be perfect, but most of

us prefer it to the situation South of the border.

But being FORCED to buy from PRIVATE for PROFIT insurers

makes no sense at all. I just don't get it.

 

Ien in the Kootenays, harvesting Dandelion Roots

and gardening like mad, earliest spring ever!

http://kootenaygarden.blogspot.com

http://backyardbusiness.info

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I share your feelings about the mandate. I feel that as Americans we should be

able to have the right to boycott an industry if their business practices

conflict with out values. The only way I can make sense of this is that people

have been trying to reform health care in America for the greater good for a

very long time. They have always failed. So this is just a baby step. I think

that the American people will not be able to ignore the exploitative practices

of the health care industry when health insurance is a mandate, and then we'll

finally see real change.

 

I participated in the poll and one of the questions had to do with the tactics

used to push the bill through. While I deplore the tactics used, I also deplore

the obstructionist tactics that were used to attempt to guarantee failure of any

type of reform. Sometimes it's necessary to fight fire with fire. I'm glad we

have something, even though it is still not nearly as good as what people have

in the rest of the free world.

 

Susan

 

, " Ieneke van Houten " <ienvan wrote:

>

> <I'd rather save what I would've paid as premiums and stash it myself rather

> than pay someone else to do it for me. >

>

> I am having a really hard time with this bill. I am all in favor of

> a government-run insurance scheme, and thank my lucky stars

> that Canada has medicare. It may not be perfect, but most of

> us prefer it to the situation South of the border.

> But being FORCED to buy from PRIVATE for PROFIT insurers

> makes no sense at all. I just don't get it.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ien,

Same for us in Australia. We are all covered by medicare, and have the option of

taking out private insurance. I think I would strongly object to being forced to

take out insurance with a private insurance company.

 

Virginia

West Aussie

 

I am having a really hard time with this bill. I am all in favor of

a government-run insurance scheme, and thank my lucky stars

that Canada has medicare. It may not be perfect, but most of

us prefer it to the situation South of the border.

But being FORCED to buy from PRIVATE for PROFIT insurers

makes no sense at all. I just don't get it.

[Guest guest]

On 3/27/2010 8:54 PM, Virginia wrote:

> Hi Ien,

> Same for us in Australia. We are all covered by medicare, and have the option

of taking out private insurance. I think I would strongly object to being forced

to take out insurance with a private insurance company.

>

 

Hi Folks....

 

Hi Virgina, Ien, Folks...

 

You folks in on and Canada have out your finger on a big problem with

the US reform...

 

It's kind of a no-brainer, the the SOP of the Health Insurance industry

is the cause of rising costs and availability issues....

 

Rather than fixing this core problem, more of the same is now mandated...

 

Singer Payer (as you folks have) would address the issue directly...Some

folks in America read that as the Government taking over health

care...Though Goverment is not known for running *anything* effectively,

I don't see how it could get any worse than what the Insurance folks

have done within the system...

 

Government run Public Option insurance would provide an oblique approach

to the issues...A little competition in a business sector reporting

record profits...

 

Both of these approaches have been shot dead...As I said...now the

problem element is mandated more...

 

And on top of that...the public program that is in place, Medicare, for

retirees and disabled folks, is going to face massive ($460 billion)

cuts to make the mandated approach work...

 

It's all kinda ass-backwards, but I guess time will have to prove it...

 

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Gary W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

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