Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 I have a patient with Burning Mouth Syndrome who complains of burning pain in her palate. She also has tissue which easily peels off the palate. She does not have any of the usual heat signs that appear in the mouth (ie LU,ST,HT, as a matter of fact she doesn't have any heat signs at all). She presents as Blood, Spleen and KID deficient. Any ideas by anyone who has treated this or what might be the relationship of the palate to the organs and channels? Thanks Rich richblit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Hi Rich, I don't know the answers to all your questions, but when I used to chew sugarless gum, it made the roof of my mouth itch and the skin peel off. Possibly she has an allergy to something. --- richblit <richblit wrote: > I have a patient with Burning Mouth Syndrome who complains of burning > pain in her palate. She also has tissue which easily peels off the > palate. She does not have any of the usual heat signs that appear in > the mouth (ie LU,ST,HT, as a matter of fact she doesn't have any heat > signs at all). She presents as Blood, Spleen and KID deficient. > Any ideas by anyone who has treated this or what might be the > relationship of the palate to the organs and channels? > Thanks > Rich > richblit > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 I have a patient who came in with this burning mouth thing. She attributed it to her mercury fillings. I saw a rather intense yin deficiency. That and some liver yin/blood deficiency with stagnation. Moistened her up, cooled and moved her blood. She's doing better now. I would remind you too that the roof of the mouth is pretty much the end of the du mai, and perhaps the beginning of the ren mai, not quite sure exactly where one ends and the other begins, but I know its in the mouth around there. -al. On 6/29/06, richblit <richblit wrote: > > I have a patient with Burning Mouth Syndrome who complains of burning > pain in her palate. She also has tissue which easily peels off the > palate. She does not have any of the usual heat signs that appear in > the mouth (ie LU,ST,HT, as a matter of fact she doesn't have any heat > signs at all). She presents as Blood, Spleen and KID deficient. > Any ideas by anyone who has treated this or what might be the > relationship of the palate to the organs and channels? > Thanks > Rich > richblit <richblit%40comcast.net> > > -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 According to Peter Deadman's book, the Stomach channel " descends to enter the upper gum and curves to meet with Yinjiao DU28 and Renzhong DU26. " And, following Al Stone's note, Deadman follows in the Governing channel section, saying " ...enters the mouth to connect with Yinjiao DU28 at the junction of the upper lip and the gum. " SE Al Stone wrote: > I have a patient who came in with this burning mouth thing. She attributed > it to her mercury fillings. I saw a rather intense yin deficiency. > That and > some liver yin/blood deficiency with stagnation. Moistened her up, cooled > and moved her blood. She's doing better now. > > I would remind you too that the roof of the mouth is pretty much the > end of > the du mai, and perhaps the beginning of the ren mai, not quite sure > exactly > where one ends and the other begins, but I know its in the mouth around > there. > > -al. > > On 6/29/06, richblit <richblit > <richblit%40rcnchicago.com>> wrote: > > > > I have a patient with Burning Mouth Syndrome who complains of burning > > pain in her palate. She also has tissue which easily peels off the > > palate. She does not have any of the usual heat signs that appear in > > the mouth (ie LU,ST,HT, as a matter of fact she doesn't have any heat > > signs at all). She presents as Blood, Spleen and KID deficient. > > Any ideas by anyone who has treated this or what might be the > > relationship of the palate to the organs and channels? > > Thanks > > Rich > > richblit <richblit%40comcast.net> > <richblit%40comcast.net> > > > > > > -- > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Hi there, Alas, I cant help with the TCM perspective, but a dentist has told me that flare-ups of this nature can be from viruses (esspecially when there is swelling then the peeling), the dentist said that it is " similar to the herpes virus " but he didnt elaborate, and I didnt research it. His reccommendation was to put vegemite on it. (A yeast extract very, very high in B vitamins that Aussies have a bit of a thing about.) Treating this from a viral perspective may be a consideration, but you'd need more input from someone who could diagnose it better than I. Lea. , < wrote: > > Hi Rich, > > I don't know the answers to all your questions, but when I used to chew sugarless > gum, it made the roof of my mouth itch and the skin peel off. Possibly she has an > allergy to something. > > > > --- richblit <richblit wrote: > > > I have a patient with Burning Mouth Syndrome who complains of burning > > pain in her palate. She also has tissue which easily peels off the > > palate. She does not have any of the usual heat signs that appear in > > the mouth (ie LU,ST,HT, as a matter of fact she doesn't have any heat > > signs at all). She presents as Blood, Spleen and KID deficient. > > Any ideas by anyone who has treated this or what might be the > > relationship of the palate to the organs and channels? > > Thanks > > Rich > > richblit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 I also have a patient with burning mouth syndrome in my internal medicine clinic. We did the extensive work up and found out she is anemic with chronic gastritis. She is not my acupuncture patient, thus I can only treat her as Internal medicine patient. It may not be a bad idea to make sure that your patient has extensive work up. As you know that blood def. and anemia can be a separate issue to treat patients as a herbalist. You may need to ask patient's about her sensitivity of taste before decide the treatment. Ta-Ya Ta-Ya Lee, MSN, CRNP, MAc, LAc, MBA Johns Hopkins Community Physicians Wyman Park Internal Medicine Phone 410-338-3421 Fax 410-338-3413 WARNING: E-mail sent over the Internet is not secure. Information sent by e-mail may not remain confidential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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