herbs & elevated liver enzymes

[Guest guest]

I have a patient I just started treating for thorasic outlet syndrome. Her

condition seems to

be--at least temporarily--responsive to acupuncture & cupping, but I would like

to use

herbs with her as well. However, she has been taking NSAIDs for 4 years now and

has

recently discovered she has elevated liver enzymes.

 

My inclination would be to try to wean her off the NSAIDs using acupuncture,

then do

herbs if/when the enzyme levels improve. (She has PCOS and leaky gut which she

also

wants to address.) Does anyone else have other thoughts? Am I being overly

conservative?

Anyone have any experience lowering liver enzymes with herbs?

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks,

 

Sarah Rivkin

[Guest guest]

Sarah,

I suggest you google Milk Thistle AND liver enzymes.

ann

 

 

I have a patient I just started treating for thorasic outlet syndrome. Her

condition seems to

be--at least temporarily--responsive to acupuncture & cupping, but I would

like to use

herbs with her as well. However, she has been taking NSAIDs for 4 years now

and has

recently discovered she has elevated liver enzymes.

 

My inclination would be to try to wean her off the NSAIDs using acupuncture,

then do

herbs if/when the enzyme levels improve. (She has PCOS and leaky gut which she

also

wants to address.) Does anyone else have other thoughts? Am I being overly

conservative?

Anyone have any experience lowering liver enzymes with herbs?

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks,

 

Sarah Rivkin

 

 

 

 

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Hi Sarah,

 

You might want to contact Misha Cohen, L.Ac. in San Francisco. I know she

offers

workshops on treating patients who have hepatitis, and I believe one aspect of

this

is addressing the issue of liver enzymes.

 

 

 

--- Sarah Rivkin <saydit wrote:

 

> I have a patient I just started treating for thorasic outlet syndrome. Her

> condition seems to

> be--at least temporarily--responsive to acupuncture & cupping, but I would

like

> to use

> herbs with her as well. However, she has been taking NSAIDs for 4 years now

and

> has

> recently discovered she has elevated liver enzymes.

>

> My inclination would be to try to wean her off the NSAIDs using acupuncture,

then

> do

> herbs if/when the enzyme levels improve. (She has PCOS and leaky gut which she

> also

> wants to address.) Does anyone else have other thoughts? Am I being overly

> conservative?

> Anyone have any experience lowering liver enzymes with herbs?

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Sarah Rivkin

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Andrea:

Thanks for mentioning the course. I have been meaning to respond to

this thread with the info on the next Hepatitis C Professional

Certification class coming up in September.

 

Course info follows:

 

Misha Ruth Cohen, OMD, L.Ac.

presents the 10th

Hepatitis C Professional Certification Course

for Licensed Acupuncturists

(Other medical professionals may apply as exceptions.)

Continuing Education Training 33 CEUs

(For details about CEUs, please contact us...see below.)

Sponsored by Chicken Soup

and Quan Yin Healing Arts Center (the Provider)

September 8, 9, and 10, 2006, in San Francisco, California

 

Faculty includes:

 

Misha Ruth Cohen, OMD, L.Ac. (Director of Chicken Soup Chinese

Medicine, Founder of Quan Yin Healing Arts Center, Asst. Researcher at

UCSF Institute for Health and Aging)

 

Robert G. Gish, MD (Medical Director, California Pacific Medical

Center Liver Transplant Program, UCSF Faculty)

 

Lyn Patrick, NMD (Naturopathic Physician, Hepatitis C Caring

Ambassadors Program)

 

The course modules include:

* Review of Liver Physiology and Pathology (advance study)

* Epidemiology, Natural History and Transmission

* Reading Labs, Imaging and Biopsy Reports

* Nutritional Considerations and Programs for Self-Care

* Herbal Medicine

* Co-Infection Issues

* Medical Qi Gong

* Comprehensive Western and Chinese Medical Diagnosis and

Treatment Programs

* Grand Rounds with Clients

 

For more info go to:

http://www.docmisha.com/applying/hepatitis_help/05-1certification.html

 

Also, Sarah, just briefly, one might look at Ecliptex from Health

Concerns for this specific issue--if it is the correct match to the

client's diagnosis it is often very helpful for elevated enzymes

associated with inflammation from drug or chemical injury. Acupuncture

is very helpful as well (if you are interested you may want to get a

copy of my book The Hepatitis C Help Book as it is useful in general

about liver support)

 

Yours,

Misha

 

 

,

< wrote:

>

> Hi Sarah,

>

> You might want to contact Misha Cohen, L.Ac. in San Francisco. I

know she offers

> workshops on treating patients who have hepatitis, and I believe one

aspect of this

> is addressing the issue of liver enzymes.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Misha. One can also check out Matthew Dolan's The Hepatitis C

Handbook,

North Atlantic Books. It has a 50 page chapter on TCM and although I hesitate

when a

generalist book gives out herbal advice for the consumer it is a solid

foundation for the

practitioner.

 

doug

 

 

 

, " Misha Cohen " <TCMPaths wrote:

>

> Hi Andrea:

> Thanks for mentioning the course. I have been meaning to respond to

> this thread with the info on the next Hepatitis C Professional

> Certification class coming up in September.

>

> Course info follows:

>

> Misha Ruth Cohen, OMD, L.Ac.

> presents the 10th

> Hepatitis C Professional Certification Course

> for Licensed Acupuncturists

> (Other medical professionals may apply as exceptions.)

> Continuing Education Training 33 CEUs

> (For details about CEUs, please contact us...see below.)

> Sponsored by Chicken Soup

> and Quan Yin Healing Arts Center (the Provider)

> September 8, 9, and 10, 2006, in San Francisco, California

>

> Faculty includes:

>

> Misha Ruth Cohen, OMD, L.Ac. (Director of Chicken Soup Chinese

> Medicine, Founder of Quan Yin Healing Arts Center, Asst. Researcher at

> UCSF Institute for Health and Aging)

>

> Robert G. Gish, MD (Medical Director, California Pacific Medical

> Center Liver Transplant Program, UCSF Faculty)

>

> Lyn Patrick, NMD (Naturopathic Physician, Hepatitis C Caring

> Ambassadors Program)

>

> The course modules include:

> * Review of Liver Physiology and Pathology (advance study)

> * Epidemiology, Natural History and Transmission

> * Reading Labs, Imaging and Biopsy Reports

> * Nutritional Considerations and Programs for Self-Care

> * Herbal Medicine

> * Co-Infection Issues

> * Medical Qi Gong

> * Comprehensive Western and Chinese Medical Diagnosis and

> Treatment Programs

> * Grand Rounds with Clients

>

> For more info go to:

> http://www.docmisha.com/applying/hepatitis_help/05-1certification.html

>

> Also, Sarah, just briefly, one might look at Ecliptex from Health

> Concerns for this specific issue--if it is the correct match to the

> client's diagnosis it is often very helpful for elevated enzymes

> associated with inflammation from drug or chemical injury. Acupuncture

> is very helpful as well (if you are interested you may want to get a

> copy of my book The Hepatitis C Help Book as it is useful in general

> about liver support)

>

> Yours,

> Misha

>

>

> ,

> <@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Sarah,

> >

> > You might want to contact Misha Cohen, L.Ac. in San Francisco. I

> know she offers

> > workshops on treating patients who have hepatitis, and I believe one

> aspect of this

> > is addressing the issue of liver enzymes.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sarah,

 

My first question is what differential diagnosis have

you come up with. The treatment plan will obviously

depend upon that, as there could be a number of

factors contributing to both TOS and elevated liver

enzymes. A couple of ideas come to mind, though.

 

1. As a starting point look at the formulas that

promote the movement of qi in the chest, (ie, Yue Ju

wan, etc.) and modify according to symptoms. Remember

that TOS can also result from blood stasis in the

chest, phlegm obstruction in the chest, chest pain due

to yang xu and/or cold coagulation, sensation of chest

oppression(not pain)accompanied by sighing,

hypochonidriac pain from blood stasis, hypochondriac

pain from qi stagnation, and hypochonriac pain from

phlegm and congested fluids.

 

2. When indicated, 2 very useful formulas in pill

form are Li Gan Pian and Li Dan Pian.

 

3. My usual plug for CranioSacral Therapy. The

thoracic outlet (or as Upledger calls it, the thoracic

inlet,) is very satisfactorily addressed by a

Respiratory Diaphragm release.

 

Hope this helps a little,

 

Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER, TJM

 

 

--- snakeoil.works wrote:

 

> Sarah,

> I suggest you google Milk Thistle AND liver enzymes.

> ann

>

>

> I have a patient I just started treating for

> thorasic outlet syndrome. Her condition seems to

> be--at least temporarily--responsive to

> acupuncture & cupping, but I would like to use

> herbs with her as well. However, she has been

> taking NSAIDs for 4 years now and has

> recently discovered she has elevated liver

> enzymes.

>

> My inclination would be to try to wean her off the

> NSAIDs using acupuncture, then do

> herbs if/when the enzyme levels improve. (She has

> PCOS and leaky gut which she also

> wants to address.) Does anyone else have other

> thoughts? Am I being overly conservative?

> Anyone have any experience lowering liver enzymes

> with herbs?

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Sarah Rivkin

>

>

>

>

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