Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Does anyone know the Chinese Characters for Ant (the medicinal)? Is it just ma3 yi3? Ron Teegarden sells this extract and claims that it is one of the most prized tonics (yang?) in China. I personally have never come across this in my studies, so am curious why it is not more well known or even in Bensky?.. It seems likes ants should not be that hard to cultivate and sell if this tonic is as great as he claims. Does anyone have any additional information on this one? I haven't yet looked in the ZYDCD. I am generally just curious, ants are one strong animal, but they run around a little too much for me to start buying and consuming extracts. Comments? - <Chinese Medicine> tel: <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Hi Jason I took my Chinese Nutrition¡¦s students to the restaurant called " Typhoon " in Santa Monica airport, I order an Ants' dish for them, of course, some other bugs also..., Ant: neutral, taste sour & slit salty, astringe, enter Lv & Kd channels, big black ants from Yunnan China is the best for dietary intake (Polyrhachis Vicina Roger) How about asking Ron directly, you will find the best answer¡K this my two cents Christine --- wrote: > Does anyone know the Chinese Characters for Ant (the > medicinal)? Is it just > ma3 yi3? Ron Teegarden sells this extract and claims > that it is one of the > most prized tonics (yang?) in China. I personally > have never come across > this in my studies, so am curious why it is not more > well known or even in > Bensky?.. It seems likes ants should not be that > hard to cultivate and sell > if this tonic is as great as he claims. Does anyone > have any additional > information on this one? I haven't yet looked in the > ZYDCD. I am generally > just curious, ants are one strong animal, but they > run around a little too > much for me to start buying and consuming extracts. > Comments? > > > > - > <Chinese Medicine> , > M.S., L.Ac. > > tel: > > > > > > > > > > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> > Add me > to your address book... > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature > like this? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Christine Wei Chang, LAc, MTOM BOD & Herbal Medicine Committee American Association of Oriental Medicine (AAOM) 310-951-8698 (cel) panasiaintl " I think, therefore I am. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Ant farms... if only I had kept that ant farm going I could be a billionaire by now. I wonder if you can create Yin and Yang ants by what you feed them? doug , " " wrote: > > Does anyone know the Chinese Characters for Ant (the medicinal)? Is it just > ma3 yi3? Ron Teegarden sells this extract and claims that it is one of the > most prized tonics (yang?) in China. I personally have never come across > this in my studies, so am curious why it is not more well known or even in > Bensky?.. It seems likes ants should not be that hard to cultivate and sell > if this tonic is as great as he claims. Does anyone have any additional > information on this one? I haven't yet looked in the ZYDCD. I am generally > just curious, ants are one strong animal, but they run around a little too > much for me to start buying and consuming extracts. Comments? > > > > - > <Chinese Medicine> > > tel: > > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me > to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature > like this? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 , " " wrote: > > if you can create Yin and Yang ants by what you feed them? > doug I say nature, not nurture. An Australian Aboriginal uncle of mine used to prescribe green ants for colds and flus, you boil up the whole nest with the larvae and all. They are really yang little buggers. They live on trees in the tropics in Australia and build nests out of leaves and have little pincers that can give an annoying bite. They taste citrusy and not too bad, really. They're pretty cute though. Now, Yin ants would be honey ants that live in the deserts of Australia, they have huge abdomens that they store a sweet fluid in (hence the name) and the ones that act as the storage pots just hang from the roof of the burrow and dont do anything. Good bush tucker if youre feeling that way inclined. Lea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Christine, thanks for your input. I regard to asking Ron directly, well, I do not know him and honestly I would not trust his answer since he is selling and marketing the product. My point is if it is the great tonic that he claims it should show up in some Chinese sources as such, at least I would imagine. I think there is a difference though between just the ordinary (culinary) ant and the one he markets. -Jason _____ On Behalf Of Christine Chang Monday, July 10, 2006 10:57 PM Re: Ant? Hi Jason I took my Chinese Nutrition¡¦s students to the restaurant called " Typhoon " in Santa Monica airport, I order an Ants' dish for them, of course, some other bugs also..., Ant: neutral, taste sour & slit salty, astringe, enter Lv & Kd channels, big black ants from Yunnan China is the best for dietary intake (Polyrhachis Vicina Roger) How about asking Ron directly, you will find the best answer¡K this my two cents Christine --- <@chinesemed <%40Chinese Medicine> icinedoc.com> wrote: > Does anyone know the Chinese Characters for Ant (the > medicinal)? Is it just > ma3 yi3? Ron Teegarden sells this extract and claims > that it is one of the > most prized tonics (yang?) in China. I personally > have never come across > this in my studies, so am curious why it is not more > well known or even in > Bensky?.. It seems likes ants should not be that > hard to cultivate and sell > if this tonic is as great as he claims. Does anyone > have any additional > information on this one? I haven't yet looked in the > ZYDCD. I am generally > just curious, ants are one strong animal, but they > run around a little too > much for me to start buying and consuming extracts. > Comments? > > > > - > <http://www.chinesem <Chinese Medicine> edicinedoc.com> , > M.S., L.Ac. > > tel: > > > > > > > > > > <https://www. <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> > Add me > to your address book... > <http://www.plaxo. <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> com/signature> Want a signature > like this? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Christine Wei Chang, LAc, MTOM BOD & Herbal Medicine Committee American Association of Oriental Medicine (AAOM) 310-951-8698 (cel) panasiaintl@ <panasiaintl%40> " I think, therefore I am. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Jason, of course, you won't get a best answer from Ron..., I read some other artical mention that Ants list in " Ben Cao Gong Mu " other name called " xuan2 ju1 " (red speeding horse), please check... Christine --- wrote: > Christine, thanks for your input. I regard to asking > Ron directly, well, I > do not know him and honestly I would not trust his > answer since he is > selling and marketing the product. My point is if > it is the great tonic > that he claims it should show up in some Chinese > sources as such, at least I > would imagine. I think there is a difference though > between just the > ordinary (culinary) ant and the one he markets. > > > > -Jason > _____ > > > On > Behalf Of Christine Chang > Monday, July 10, 2006 10:57 PM > > Re: Ant? > > > > Hi Jason > > I took my Chinese Nutrition¡¦s students to the > restaurant called " Typhoon " in Santa Monica airport, > I > order an Ants' dish for them, of course, some other > bugs also..., > > Ant: neutral, taste sour & slit salty, astringe, > enter > Lv & Kd channels, big black ants from Yunnan China > is > the best for dietary intake (Polyrhachis Vicina > Roger) > > How about asking Ron directly, you will find the > best > answer¡K > > this my two cents > > Christine > > --- <@chinesemed > <%40Chinese Medicine> > icinedoc.com> > wrote: > > > Does anyone know the Chinese Characters for Ant > (the > > medicinal)? Is it just > > ma3 yi3? Ron Teegarden sells this extract and > claims > > that it is one of the > > most prized tonics (yang?) in China. I personally > > have never come across > > this in my studies, so am curious why it is not > more > > well known or even in > > Bensky?.. It seems likes ants should not be that > > hard to cultivate and sell > > if this tonic is as great as he claims. Does > anyone > > have any additional > > information on this one? I haven't yet looked in > the > > ZYDCD. I am generally > > just curious, ants are one strong animal, but they > > run around a little too > > much for me to start buying and consuming > extracts. > > Comments? > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.chinesem > <Chinese Medicine> edicinedoc.com> > , > > M.S., L.Ac. > > > > tel: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <https://www. > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> > plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> > > Add me > > to your address book... > > <http://www.plaxo. > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> com/signature> Want > a > signature > > like this? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > Christine Wei Chang, LAc, MTOM > BOD & Herbal Medicine Committee > American Association of Oriental Medicine (AAOM) > 310-951-8698 (cel) > panasiaintl@ <panasiaintl%40> > > > " I think, therefore I am. " > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Christine Wei Chang, LAc, MTOM BOD & Herbal Medicine Committee American Association of Oriental Medicine (AAOM) 310-951-8698 (cel) panasiaintl " I think, therefore I am. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Ma3 yi3- Ant Sour, salty, balanced. Enters liver and kidney channels. Actions: Supplements the kidney and boosts essence, frees the channels and quickens the network vessels, resolves toxin and disperses swelling. Indications: Kidney vacuity dizziness and tinnitus, insomnia and profuse dreaming, impotence and seminal emission, infertility, wind- damp impediment pain, wind stroke with paralysis, numbness of the extremities, flat- and welling-abscesses and clove sores, poisonous snakebite, lupus erythematosus, scleroderma. Dose: Internally as a powder or pill, 2–5 g. Also used externally. Source: Shi Yong Zhong Yao Ci Dian, published by Ren Min Wei Sheng Chu Ban She, 2002. Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Eric, Have you seen this mentioned in case studies, formulas, etc. or does it seem to be one of those fringe herbs? -Jason _____ On Behalf Of Eric Brand Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:07 PM Re: Ant? Ma3 yi3- Ant Sour, salty, balanced. Enters liver and kidney channels. Actions: Supplements the kidney and boosts essence, frees the channels and quickens the network vessels, resolves toxin and disperses swelling. Indications: Kidney vacuity dizziness and tinnitus, insomnia and profuse dreaming, impotence and seminal emission, infertility, wind- damp impediment pain, wind stroke with paralysis, numbness of the extremities, flat- and welling-abscesses and clove sores, poisonous snakebite, lupus erythematosus, scleroderma. Dose: Internally as a powder or pill, 2-5 g. Also used externally. Source: Shi Yong Zhong Yao Ci Dian, published by Ren Min Wei Sheng Chu Ban She, 2002. Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: N.H. Oving [aowentcg] > Verzonden: woensdag 12 juli 2006 4:59 > Aan: 'No Reply' > Onderwerp: RE: Ant? > > > [HO:] Christine wrote: > I read some other artical mention that Ants list in > " Ben Cao Gong Mu " other name called " xuan2 ju1 " (red > speeding horse), please check... > > [HO:] The Bencao gangmu has an entry on yi3 indeed. At the end of the > section on different names, Li Shizhen says: Nowadays not applied. > Then there is a lot of info that is of interest to biologists. (kinds of > ants, how and where they live etc.) > Li further says that yi3 treats clove sores, and toxin swelling of flat- > abscesses. Applied crushed. > There is an appendix with bai2yi3, white ant/termite. (no treating options > given) > There is a reference to °×ÒÏÄà bai2yi3ni2 'termite-mud': treats toxin > swelling of malign sores > and to ÒÏÛìÍÁ yi3die2tu3 anthill-soil, treats fox /fox-like?/ stabbing > sores > Both can be found in the earth section of the BCGM. > > Eric already translated what a modern text says. That must be post-Li > Shizhen. > > Herman Oving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 The use of ants externally to treat wound and abscesses would seem to be parallelled in both Africa and Australia, to my knowledge. In some areas of Africa I have heard of ants being crushed and applied to intractable abscesses and tropical ulcers, and in Australia, some of the central desert Aboriginal groups have a remedy whereby they put a rag (I guess it used to be a bit of animal skin) on the end of a stick and stir up a bull ant nest. Once the ants have finished swarming all over the rag, it is then used to bind wounds with. There is actually some research into why this works and is rather interesting. Lea. , " N.H. Oving " <aowentcg wrote: > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: N.H. Oving [aowentcg] > > Verzonden: woensdag 12 juli 2006 4:59 > > Aan: 'No Reply' > > Onderwerp: RE: Ant? > > > > > > [HO:] Christine wrote: > > I read some other artical mention that Ants list in > > " Ben Cao Gong Mu " other name called " xuan2 ju1 " (red > > speeding horse), please check... > > > > [HO:] The Bencao gangmu has an entry on yi3 indeed. At the end of the > > section on different names, Li Shizhen says: Nowadays not applied. > > Then there is a lot of info that is of interest to biologists. (kinds of > > ants, how and where they live etc.) > > Li further says that yi3 treats clove sores, and toxin swelling of flat- > > abscesses. Applied crushed. > > There is an appendix with bai2yi3, white ant/termite. (no treating options > > given) > > There is a reference to °×ÒÏÄà bai2yi3ni2 'termite-mud': treats toxin > > swelling of malign sores > > and to ÒÏÛìÍÁ yi3die2tu3 anthill-soil, treats fox /fox-like?/ stabbing > > sores > > Both can be found in the earth section of the BCGM. > > > > Eric already translated what a modern text says. That must be post-Li > > Shizhen. > > > > Herman Oving > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 , " " wrote: > > Eric, > > > > Have you seen this mentioned in case studies, formulas, etc. or does it seem > to be one of those fringe herbs? Never seen it used in clinical medicine, just in medicinal wines used in folk medicine. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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