Clinical experience w/ Varicose Veins

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

 

I'm looking for some clinical experience related to treating varicose veins

to help me determine a prognosis for a new patient I will be seeing on

Thursday. I have only spoken w/ her briefly (free consult) so far so have

not done a full intake however the information I do have is as follows:

 

Female, age 51

Excellent physical shape, very active and strong/athletic build

CC: unilateral ® calf px (dull/heavy) associated w/ mild varicosity about

area of the Greater Saphenous Vein and approx 4 " distal to the popliteal

fossa that is triggered by walking and standing too long, although not by

running. The varicosity in question is not bulging out but is visible.

Concurrent sx of occasional mild non-pitting ankle edema that occurs at end

of day (occurs at a rate of 1x q 3wks).

Both the px and swelling are ameliorated w/ rest and limb elevation.

Upon standing for too long (as in doing dishes), pt experiences occasional

shooting px originating from the area described above down to the ankle,

this too, is alleviated w/ rest and getting off her feet.

 

Both popliteal and pedal pulses are present. No changes in skin color. No

numbness/coldness in R foot. No atrophy of associated structures. Per pt

report, BP is 118/74 and cholesterol levels are good. Has never smoked.

Claudication is likely not an issue given these findings, but something to

keep in the back of my mind when determining improvement progress.

 

Sig Family Hx - mother has many varicosities; however pt has never been

pregnant and has never experienced fluctuations in weight gain

Although pt does not yet have sx in the L calf, there is visible evidence

that the same situation may be developing there as well.

No sig fam hx related to cardiac risk factors.

 

I expect that improvement w/ acupx/herbs should be noted in the px, swelling

and general circulation. However, once the vein collapses, I expect no

change in the visible aspect of the varicosity (right?). I'm expecting 3-4

acupx tx w/ possible continuing herbal therapy. Does this jive w/ anyone's

actual clinical experience? Are my expectations too high/low? How about the

prevention of developing sx/varicosities in the left leg?

 

Any insight is greatly appreciated!

 

Joy

 

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Joy Keller, LAc, Dipl.OM

Board Certified in Acupuncture & Oriental Medicine

Ramona Acupuncture & Oriental Medicine Clinic

Phone: (760) 654-1040 Fax: (760) 654-4019

www.RamonaAcupuncture.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

I can tell you about a student of Tcm who made a product made of

olive oil and sunflower oil, mixed with Sheng Jiang and Gui Zhi. I use

it with good results.

 

Applied on varicose veins, took away pain, and reduced inflamation.

Good luck

 

Gaal

[Guest guest]

If you want to try something from Western herbal medicine, internal use of

horse chestnut seed extract has a lot of clinical studies that show it is

effective for varicose veins. You could add it to a Chinese

blood-invigorating herb regimen, along with any other herbs that fit the

pattern.

 

- Bill Schoenbart, L.Ac.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

" olive oil and sunflower oil, mixed with Sheng Jiang and Gui Zhi "

How much of the above ingredients were used, was this made to a

paste and applied on a plaster, or more like an aromatic massage oil?

 

Lea

 

 

, " Bill Schoenbart "

<plantmed2 wrote:

>

> If you want to try something from Western herbal medicine,

internal use of

> horse chestnut seed extract has a lot of clinical studies that

show it is

> effective for varicose veins. You could add it to a Chinese

> blood-invigorating herb regimen, along with any other herbs that

fit the

> pattern.

>

> - Bill Schoenbart, L.Ac.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Sorry to answer so late, but I was away.

I was not able to locate the person making the product, but we have an annual

meeting in november and hopefully she will appear.

 

So i can not tell you amounts, it is applied directly on the area like massage

oil and it is transparent. If i get more info will let you know.

 

Gaal

gaal

 

leapapworth <leapapworth wrote:

" olive oil and sunflower oil, mixed with Sheng Jiang and Gui Zhi "

How much of the above ingredients were used, was this made to a

paste and applied on a plaster, or more like an aromatic massage oil?

 

Lea

 

, " Bill Schoenbart "

<plantmed2 wrote:

>

> If you want to try something from Western herbal medicine,

internal use of

> horse chestnut seed extract has a lot of clinical studies that

show it is

> effective for varicose veins. You could add it to a Chinese

> blood-invigorating herb regimen, along with any other herbs that

fit the

> pattern.

>

> - Bill Schoenbart, L.Ac.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have been using a horse chestnut cream from integrative therapeutics for

years with very good results.

 

Cara O. Frank, R.Ac, Dipl Ac & Ch.H.

President China Herb Company of the Chinese Herb Program

Tai Sophia Institute of the Healing Arts

215-438-2977

Fax 215-849-3338

 

 

 

 

Gaal Cohen <gaaldoc

 

Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:51:07 -0700 (PDT)

 

Re: Re: Clinical experience w/ Varicose Veins

 

 

 

 

 

Hi

Sorry to answer so late, but I was away.

I was not able to locate the person making the product, but we have an

annual meeting in november and hopefully she will appear.

 

So i can not tell you amounts, it is applied directly on the area like

massage oil and it is transparent. If i get more info will let you know.

 

Gaal

gaal <gaal%40mac.com>

 

leapapworth <leapapworth <leapapworth%40bigpond.com> >

wrote: " olive oil and sunflower oil, mixed

with Sheng Jiang and Gui Zhi "

How much of the above ingredients were used, was this made to a

paste and applied on a plaster, or more like an aromatic massage oil?

 

Lea

 

<%40> , " Bill Schoenbart "

<plantmed2 wrote:

>

> If you want to try something from Western herbal medicine,

internal use of

> horse chestnut seed extract has a lot of clinical studies that

show it is

> effective for varicose veins. You could add it to a Chinese

> blood-invigorating herb regimen, along with any other herbs that

fit the

> pattern.

>

> - Bill Schoenbart, L.Ac.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is this Planetary Formulas?

Int. Ther. has no products listed on their website.

ann

 

 

 

 

I have been using a horse chestnut cream from integrative therapeutics for

years with very good results.

 

Cara O. Frank, R.Ac, Dipl Ac & Ch.H.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I¹ll have to check next week when I get to the office. I¹ll get back to

you. Not planetary formulas.

Cara O. Frank, R.Ac, Dipl Ac & Ch.H.

President China Herb Company of the Chinese Herb Program

Tai Sophia Institute of the Healing Arts

215-438-2977

Fax 215-849-3338

 

 

 

 

<snakeoil.works

 

Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:48:59 -0400

 

Re: Re: Clinical experience w/ Varicose Veins

 

 

 

 

 

Is this Planetary Formulas?

Int. Ther. has no products listed on their website.

ann

 

I have been using a horse chestnut cream from integrative therapeutics for

years with very good results.

 

Cara O. Frank, R.Ac, Dipl Ac & Ch.H.

 

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