RE: Organic raw herbs - salvia divinorum/shi chang pu

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Interesting reaction to shi chang pu...

 

In the latest edition of Bensky's material medica it talks about the

carcinogenic properties .....are people still using it or using the

European/US version?

 

Has anyone ever heard that shi chang pu is problematic during pregnancy, ie

abortive etc?

 

Heiko

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of

Thursday, September 28, 2006 3:06 AM

 

Re: Re: Organic raw herbs - salvia divinorum

 

 

 

Indeed, do not many of our herbal substances have the

potential for mind-altering effects? Think of the

whole category of medicinals used specifically for

that purpose - herbs that calm the shen and types of

mental derangement. I suppose part of the discussion

here might be what is a " normal " shen state, and I

believe any substance that has the power to change the

state of consciousness (whether to bring it closer to,

or further away from " normal " ) can properly be

considered " mind-altering " . I once made a formula for

myself that included a higher-end dose of shi chang pu

- let me tell you, how intensely bright the colors

were and how deliciously fragrant the aromas were...

it was a nearly psychedelic experience! Yes, I agree

it is essential that we know the mind-altering

potentials of our pharmacopoeia so we can responsibly

consider this in our intentional and unintentional

uses (possible side effects) of those substances.

 

 

 

--- (AT) comcast (DOT) <%40comcast.net> net wrote:

 

> I think NOT prescribing an herb because it has mind

> altering effects at some doses is a mistake. If the

> profession ever wants to be truly respected, it

> needs to take control of its pharmacopeia and use it

> responsibly. Not prescribing such herbs is just

> throwing in the towel and saying that the

> prescription of potentially abused substances should

> only be in the domain of MDs. Should an MD not

> prescribe vicodin to a pain patient because their

> kids might use it to get high? c'mon. A better

> question is whether salvia divinorum is part of

> chinese medicine anyway. BTW, many of those who use

> Salvia div would be offended at the characterization

> of it being used to get high. I think many who are

> even aware of it treat it as a sacrament.

>

 

>

> -------------- Original message

> ----------------------

> " Ed Kasper LAc " <eddy@happyherbalist

<eddy%40happyherbalist.com> .com>

> > 1) Ma huang is just one recent example of a herb

> that was

> > /is used for other than its prescribed use. Even

> after the

> > ban has been lifted, as an industry, we fail

> miserably to

> > watchdog its widespread mis-use. Why do not speak

> out on the

> > concentrated standardized phyto-drug and it is

> specially

> > targeted to a non-medical (TCM) use (maybe even by

> some of

> > those on this list).

> > hu ma ren ...Chai hu ...ginseng ..yan hu suo...

> are other

> > mis-used herbs.

> >

> > 2) I am interested in a herb - in this case-

> Salvia for its

> > medical, a la TCM, prescribed use.

> >

> > Because a herb is mis-used, or in popular use,

> then it is

> > important , as an industry, that we understand

> that herb. We

> > have an opportunity to learn from the populace

> (who misuse

> > the herb) as well as to take the proper stand. We

> should

> > take a stand where the herb is properly used or

> abused.

> >

> > We really can't treat folks if we are ignorant of

> how herbs

> > are misused.

> >

> > live free and healthy

> >

> > Ed Kasper L.Ac., . Santa Cruz, CA.

> >

> > ...........original message ....

> >

> > I think it is a bad idea for acupuncturists to

> prescribe an

> > herb that is

> > also used by people to get high. This could cause

> serious

> > negative publicity

> > for the profession in the future. It could even

> affect

> > malpractice insurance

> > rates, which are currently fairly reasonable.

> > Salvia divinorum is also illegal in some countries

> and a few

> > U.S. states.

> > People who have smoked it describe the experience

> as similar

> > to DMT, which

> > is an intense psychedelic. Do we really want to

> give this to

> > patients, even

> > for internal use? What if a patient's kid takes

> some and

> > smokes it? Even if

> > the herb has a legitimate therapeutic use,

> prescribing it

> > could bring

> > serious problems for TCM. Ecstasy (MDMA) also has

> legitimate

> > theraputic

> > potential, as does LSD, but it would be a disaster

> to

> > prescribe them.

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

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