herbal enemas for vomiting during pregnancy

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I recall hearing that you could give decocted raw herbs in enema form

to patients with severe nausea/vomiting during pregnancy--women who

can't keep anything down, even little sips of herbs. I'm looking for

some more specifics on this method of administration. Chiefly:

 

1. How are dosages adjusted? Bigger, but by how much?

 

2. Do you have the patient retain the herbs in her body for a specific

length of time? I'm assuming she shouldn't just stand up right away,

letting the decoction drip out.

 

Any other tips on using this method?

 

Many thanks,

 

Sarah

 

Sarah E. Rivkin, MS, LAc, Dipl. OM

www.slopeacupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

Can you tell us where you heard about this treatment?

doug

 

, " Sarah Rivkin " <saydit wrote:

>

> I recall hearing that you could give decocted raw herbs in enema form

> to patients with severe nausea/vomiting during pregnancy--women who

> can't keep anything down, even little sips of herbs. I'm looking for

> some more specifics on this method of administration. Chiefly:

>

> 1. How are dosages adjusted? Bigger, but by how much?

>

> 2. Do you have the patient retain the herbs in her body for a specific

> length of time? I'm assuming she shouldn't just stand up right away,

> letting the decoction drip out.

>

> Any other tips on using this method?

>

> Many thanks,

>

> Sarah

>

> Sarah E. Rivkin, MS, LAc, Dipl. OM

> www.slopeacupuncture.com

>

[Guest guest]

> Can you tell us where you heard about this treatment?

 

I heard about this from a practioner I used to assist, I don't know

where she learned it from. I had assumed it was something standard,

but maybe she made it up. (She and I are no longer in touch, but I can

try to contact her and find out more.)

 

Is this something other folks are familiar with?

 

--Sarah

 

 

> , " Sarah Rivkin " <saydit@>

wrote:

> >

> > I recall hearing that you could give decocted raw herbs in enema form

> > to patients with severe nausea/vomiting during pregnancy--women who

> > can't keep anything down, even little sips of herbs. I'm looking for

> > some more specifics on this method of administration. Chiefly:

> >

> > 1. How are dosages adjusted? Bigger, but by how much?

> >

> > 2. Do you have the patient retain the herbs in her body for a specific

> > length of time? I'm assuming she shouldn't just stand up right away,

> > letting the decoction drip out.

> >

> > Any other tips on using this method?

> >

> > Many thanks,

> >

> > Sarah

> >

> > Sarah E. Rivkin, MS, LAc, Dipl. OM

> > www.slopeacupuncture.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Quick research on this topic turned up:

Anatomy of a Ritual - ingestion of hallucinogens via enema

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1134/is_6_110/ai_76550319/pg_3

 

Not really on topic, but it gave me a chuckle. I suppose it ties into the

earlier discussion on psychotropic substances...

 

-Tim Sharpe

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sarah Rivkin

Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:57 PM

 

Re: herbal enemas for vomiting during pregnancy

 

> Can you tell us where you heard about this treatment?

 

I heard about this from a practioner I used to assist, I don't know

where she learned it from. I had assumed it was something standard,

but maybe she made it up. (She and I are no longer in touch, but I can

try to contact her and find out more.)

 

Is this something other folks are familiar with?

 

--Sarah

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

I've found references to enemas in Chinese herbal

medicine, which is called " daofa " or daobian. " Nothing

yet on the specific treatment for pregnant women,

although a medical student suggested that most

pregnant women usually vomit so the practice is to

give them " suan " or sour foods.

 

Kind regards, Jack

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy

wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I've found references to enemas in Chinese herbal

> medicine, which is called " daofa " or daobian. "

 

No shortage of info in the modern Chinese medical literature about enema

therapy, but it

appears to be mostly used in patients with local disease- typically either

intestinal or

gynecological diseases. Enema therapies are often seen in integrative medicine

texts for

diseases like endometriosis, ulcerative colitis, etc. I don't know how far back

the use of

enemas goes in CM, but I am under the impression that their wide-scale adoption

is relatively

recent.

 

Of course, an enema is an efficient means of introducing drugs into the system,

so it could

be used for patients who can't swallow their formulas. I've heard Chinese

teachers mention

this, though I would suspect that feeding tubes are more frequently used than

enemas in

most inpatient CM hospitals.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

Another approach would be topical application, either at an appropriate acupoint

or to the navel. I've seen some formulas for little biscuits of compressed herbs

used this way, though I don't recall if they were specific for nausea. It would

probably have a more persistent and milder function. I read an article some time

ago while I think they used topicals at KD 1 for nausea.

 

Par Scott

-

Jack Sweeney

Monday, November 13, 2006 12:44 AM

Re: Re: herbal enemas for vomiting during pregnancy

 

 

Hi,

 

I've found references to enemas in Chinese herbal

medicine, which is called " daofa " or daobian. " Nothing

yet on the specific treatment for pregnant women,

although a medical student suggested that most

pregnant women usually vomit so the practice is to

give them " suan " or sour foods.

 

Kind regards, Jack

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone for weighing in. Although I'm still interested in

learning more about this method, it seems the patient who prompted my

initial query is actually able to eat and drink--a lot, in fact!--so

the enema route won't be necessary. Her telephone description of her

symptoms was much more dire than what she reported to me in person today.

 

Best,

 

--Sarah

 

Sarah E. Rivkin, MS, LAc, Dipl OM

www.slopeacupuncture.com

 

 

 

, " Par Scott " <parufus

wrote:

>

> Another approach would be topical application, either at an

appropriate acupoint or to the navel. I've seen some formulas for

little biscuits of compressed herbs used this way, though I don't

recall if they were specific for nausea. It would probably have a more

persistent and milder function. I read an article some time ago while

I think they used topicals at KD 1 for nausea.

>

> Par Scott

> -

> Jack Sweeney

>

> Monday, November 13, 2006 12:44 AM

> Re: Re: herbal enemas for vomiting during pregnancy

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I've found references to enemas in Chinese herbal

> medicine, which is called " daofa " or daobian. " Nothing

> yet on the specific treatment for pregnant women,

> although a medical student suggested that most

> pregnant women usually vomit so the practice is to

> give them " suan " or sour foods.

>

> Kind regards, Jack

>

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