Chinese Medical Textbook Piracy-a proposal

[Guest guest]

" Well why not, as Z'ev implies, have the publishers (churchhill

Livingstone, Blue Poppy, Eastland, Paradigm, etc) sell to the schools

directly at a substantial discount, say 30% "

 

Schools get at least a 40% discount already from Blue Poppy. This is

the standard discount in the trade to retailers. The standard discount

to distributors/wholesalers is 55%.

 

Bob

[Guest guest]

Just to clear the air, I wasn't thinking about 'deep discounts' from

publishers to the schools. I was thinking about a proposal at PCOM

to require students to pre-purchase textbooks as part of tuition costs.

 

 

On Dec 18, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Bob Flaws wrote:

 

> " Well why not, as Z'ev implies, have the publishers (churchhill

> Livingstone, Blue Poppy, Eastland, Paradigm, etc) sell to the schools

> directly at a substantial discount, say 30% "

>

> Schools get at least a 40% discount already from Blue Poppy. This is

> the standard discount in the trade to retailers. The standard discount

> to distributors/wholesalers is 55%.

>

> Bob

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This further supports the idea of bypassing the distributors. The specific

amount of the discount that I mentioned was a arbitrary, but the idea is

specific. If students' textbooks are included in their tuition, there would

never be a thought of needing to bootleg, because they would receive their book

from the school. You would sell more books, too, because larger orders would be

placed.

 

Bob Flaws <pemachophel2001 wrote: " Well why not, as Z'ev

implies, have the publishers (churchhill

Livingstone, Blue Poppy, Eastland, Paradigm, etc) sell to the schools

directly at a substantial discount, say 30% "

 

Schools get at least a 40% discount already from Blue Poppy. This is

the standard discount in the trade to retailers. The standard discount

to distributors/wholesalers is 55%.

 

Bob

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Blue Poppy Press has a specific school sales representative who is

empowered to cut schools special deals and she does contact the

schools on a regular basis soliciting their business. However, schools

can only get distributor discounts if they buy in distributor

quantities. In addition many schools prefer to purchase from a single

distributor because A) they don't have to buy so many of a single

publisher's books and B) they only have to maintain a single account.

 

Bob

[Guest guest]

Last week when I breached this whole issue of piracy, I said " it

appears " that the CD (or DVD) was created at Touro College. By that, I

certainly did not mean to imply that it was created by any employee of

Touro College or with the knowledge or approval of any employee of

Touro College. All I meant was that it " appears " to have been made by

someone who goes to Touro as a student. I'm sorry if anyone read this

the wrong way. " At " does not necesssarily imply " by " in English.

Further, by saying that " it appears, " I was not expressing a fact but

only expressing a preliminary opinion -- an opinion which may or may

not turn out to be correct.

 

Bob

[Guest guest]

Distribution and publication are typically two different businesses. Publishers

generally cannot make it worth their while to sell small quantities to retailers

at distributor discounts due to the small margin on the books. Schools buy books

from multiple publishers, often through a single distributor who can justify the

small margin by the total volume of sales. If publishers could make enough money

by selling directly to retailers at a 55% discount, they would already be doing

this. They can't, so they don't. If schools included book sin tuition, they

would have to fold the costs into the tuition, thus raising it. They could not

sell at cost, since they have expenses involved in the process, They would also

be forcing students to buy books they might not really need. Students sometimes

borrow books from other students, use the library or buy used books to make ends

meet, all legal methods of getting by. This is not a workable proposal,

especially for those publishers who have a s

mall number of titles.

 

 

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> This further supports the idea of bypassing the distributors. The specific

> amount of the discount that I mentioned was a arbitrary, but the idea is

> specific. If students' textbooks are included in their tuition, there would

> never be a thought of needing to bootleg, because they would receive their

book

> from the school. You would sell more books, too, because larger orders would

be

> placed.

>

> Bob Flaws <pemachophel2001 wrote: " Well why not, as Z'ev

> implies, have the publishers (churchhill

> Livingstone, Blue Poppy, Eastland, Paradigm, etc) sell to the schools

> directly at a substantial discount, say 30% "

>

> Schools get at least a 40% discount already from Blue Poppy. This is

> the standard discount in the trade to retailers. The standard discount

> to distributors/wholesalers is 55%.

>

> Bob

 

> http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bob,

 

I understand well that an existant system is in place. I am only addressing a

burdon that the system has placed upon students, dealing with the sticker

shock from the high cost of books, tempting them to seek out less expensive

alternatives. (At least in mainstream academia, used books are available cheap,

yet it's very hard to find our books used, despite all the student and industry

dropouts we hear about) And of course, in a free market society, when there

is a need, crooks and exploiters will always appear with a seemingly cheap and

easy solution. I happened to hear on the radio today, a vignette on how because

poor people are desperate to have money to buy their gifts, H & R Block is

advancing them their paychecks--less a $25 service charge AND 36% interest.

Can't the system be reformed, by the booksellers and the schools coming

together, thus eliminating the dynamic which causes the pirating to occur in the

first place?

 

 

Yehuda

Bob Flaws <pemachophel2001 wrote:

Blue Poppy Press has a specific school sales representative who is

empowered to cut schools special deals and she does contact the

schools on a regular basis soliciting their business. However, schools

can only get distributor discounts if they buy in distributor

quantities. In addition many schools prefer to purchase from a single

distributor because A) they don't have to buy so many of a single

publisher's books and B) they only have to maintain a single account.

 

Bob

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

When I enrolled in acupuncture school I had already been working as an

herbalist for many years and had a library with a few thousand

professional books. Had the school required me to purchase books as

part of my tuition, then I would have likely ended up with duplicates.

In addition, I frequently purchased used books via Amazon and Half.com

or from other students. Rolling the books into tuition is not likely to

work.

 

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