Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Hi First - I have some 100's of cases I dealt with this condition, usually they are old dogs, Labs have it a lot etc. Usually for these cases I am doing as main modality acupuncture, needles in the affected side (=the same side the head tilted to, the quick phase of nystagmus away from the lesion area etc). Local acupts= TH-21/17, SI-19, GB-02/GB-20 Master acupts=LI-04+LU-07 Pts related to signs=PC-06, TH-05 There are other options as going for distal acupts of meridians that go to the ear (as TH-03,GB-41,SI-03), or relate yourself to KID issue (Zang Fu organ open to the ear) - KID-03 (in animals done usually with the same needle goes from KID-03 through BL-60) etc. I am doing it once a day for 3 days, then - once every 3 days for 2 wks. Success rate after 2 wks~90%+ Herbs - Yunnan Pai(Bai) Yao(=Y.P.Y), and for Lab size ~ 250 mg 3/day for 3 days, then - 250 mg 1/day in the morning for 2 wks. >>He is improving significantly over the past 48 hrs<< = spontaneous recovery usually occurs in the first 48 hrs, but usually it is not enough (acting mainly on the vomit-like clinical signs). If you can not/don't want/not allowed etc to perform acupuncture - go with Y.P.Y only. I know that Dr. & other vets are on the list, I am sure if they are available they will contribute their share All the best, Sagiv. Dr. Sagiv Ben-Yakir BSC DVM(in honor) MRCVS CVA(IVAS) benyakir - Todd Larlee CHA Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:35 AM Canine vestibular syndrome My dog was recently diagnosed with Canine Vestibular Syndrome. He is a 11 yr old lab and came down with CVS on Sat night. The SX started with a head tilt, trouble balancing due to hind leg extension, nystagmus and general disorientation. The Vet put him on an IV, 2 anti-nausea and anti-inflammatory drugs to help him . Here is a link with more info: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_vestibular_disease.html He is improving significantly over the past 48 hrs. The Vet did not give me any drugs to help him out so I was thinking of using some herbs. Any suggestions? Todd Larlee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Why do you use Yunnan Pai Yao for this condition? - Bill ............................................. Bill Schoenbart, L.Ac. P.O. Box 8099 Santa Cruz, CA 95061 office phone: 831-335-3165 email: plantmed ............................................. >>>Herbs - Yunnan Pai(Bai) Yao(=Y.P.Y), and for Lab size ~ 250 mg 3/day for 3 days, then - 250 mg 1/day in the morning for 2 wks. >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Hi Bill >>Why do you use Yunnan Pai Yao for this condition?<< to begin with - we did not use it.Classically we said(in the past) that the vestibular syndrome is upward disturbance of Wind Phlegm, we treated with Ban Xia Bai Zhu Tian Ma Tang, not much of effect, we added Jiang Can,again - going nowhere results...then we claimed maybe it is Yin Def leading to Empty Fire & generation of Internal Wind - tried Zhi Bai Di Hunag Wan...again leading nowhere...I am making a long story short - then, someone in the clinic said: " listen, it seems that it is also painful to the animal, maybe it is basically Blood Stasis, Qi Stag + Phlegm? " and as we treated successfully lots of cases with canine aural hematoma with YPY, why not to try it? and that what we begun to do, one case in dog, then one case in cat, then 4 cases in dogs...and it seems to do the trick(~1999). So, eventually it becomes part of the protocol. Can I add more " wisdom " ? don't think so, basically it is a successful empirical trial and error situation. Maybe someone in the list can give a better insight, it will be more than welcome, Sagiv. Dr. Sagiv Ben-Yakir BSC DVM(in honor) MRCVS CVA(IVAS) benyakir - Bill Schoenbart Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:42 PM Re: Canine vestibular syndrome Why do you use Yunnan Pai Yao for this condition? - Bill ............................................ Bill Schoenbart, L.Ac. P.O. Box 8099 Santa Cruz, CA 95061 office phone: 831-335-3165 email: plantmed ............................................ >>>Herbs - Yunnan Pai(Bai) Yao(=Y.P.Y), and for Lab size ~ 250 mg 3/day for 3 days, then - 250 mg 1/day in the morning for 2 wks. >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Hi Phil, I came back on that specific issue a few hrs ahead of your excellent answer, but I took a different approach (local pts, master pts etc).[see on the messages board]. I also mentioned that we tried in the past many herbal remedies and the one that seems empirically doing the better job is Yunnan Pai(Bai)Yao. No one in my clinic can really give a good theoretical answer to " why it is doing the job " , nevertheless we are using it routinely as part of " our protocol " , and that what I recommended as well. Do you by any chance have any idea/data why it is doing the " extra step " in recovery? Thanks, Sagiv. , " " < wrote: > > Hi Todd & All, > Larlee wrote: > > My dog was recently diagnosed with Canine Vestibular Syndrome. He is a 11 > > yr old lab and came down with CVS on Sat night. The SX started with a head > > tilt, trouble balancing due to hind leg extension, nystagmus and general > > disorientation. The Vet put him on an IV, 2 anti-nausea and > > anti-inflammatory drugs to help him . Here is a link with more info: > > http://www.marvista vet.com/html/body_vestibular_disease.html > > He is improving significantly over the past 48 hrs. The Vet did not give me > > any drugs to help him out so I was thinking of using some herbs. Any > > suggestions? > > I would try acupuncture daily at SJ05, SJ17, GB20, BL23, KI07 and GV26 > (caution! use muzzle!!) > > If he does not respond within 3 days, seek a second veterinary opinion. > > Dr Sagiv Ben Yakir (very experienced) may wish to comment also. > > Best regards, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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