Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 In another study story, 397 patients with a Western diagnosis of depression (In China) were differentiated by TCM syndrome with the following findings: (Source: *http://tinyurl.com/yd7nw8 *) Organ names in parenthesis are my additions. Gan (Liver) -Qi stagnation with mental uneasiness type (108 cases, 27.2%); the Xin (Heart) -Pi (Spleen) deficiency with dampness retention type (94 cases, 23.7%); the Xin-Gan Qi-stagnation with Phlegm retention type (76 cases, 19.1%); the Xin-Gan Qi stagnation with Jing-Luo disharmony type (57 cases, 14.3%); the Xin-Shen (Kidneys?) Qi stagnation with collateral obstruction type (34 cases, 8.6%); and the Xin-Gan Qi stagnation with Heat interfering mental type (28 cases, 7.1%). * *If anybody would like to suggest different formulas for depression associated with these syndromes, that would be great. Also, I'm not sure what Xin-Shen Qi stagnation with collateral obstruction type is. Kidney and Heart Qi deficiency with bi syndrome?. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 ¡ÈCONCLUSION: The result obtained in this study is basically in accord with the cognitive rule of TCM theory, it provides a reliable base of syndrome differentiation for treatment.¡É What does that mean? - _____ On Behalf Of Al Stone 2007ǯ1·î9Æü 12:09 Chinese Herbal Medicine List Depression, not just Qi Stag. In another study story, 397 patients with a Western diagnosis of depression (In China) were differentiated by TCM syndrome with the following findings: (Source: *http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/yd7nw8> com/yd7nw8 *) Organ names in parenthesis are my additions. Gan (Liver) -Qi stagnation with mental uneasiness type (108 cases, 27.2%); the Xin (Heart) -Pi (Spleen) deficiency with dampness retention type (94 cases, 23.7%); the Xin-Gan Qi-stagnation with Phlegm retention type (76 cases, 19.1%); the Xin-Gan Qi stagnation with Jing-Luo disharmony type (57 cases, 14.3%); the Xin-Shen (Kidneys?) Qi stagnation with collateral obstruction type (34 cases, 8.6%); and the Xin-Gan Qi stagnation with Heat interfering mental type (28 cases, 7.1%). * *If anybody would like to suggest different formulas for depression associated with these syndromes, that would be great. Also, I'm not sure what Xin-Shen Qi stagnation with collateral obstruction type is. Kidney and Heart Qi deficiency with bi syndrome?. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 I agree. I can't understand this. It appears whoever translated this study did a terrible job. On Jan 9, 2007, at 4:53 PM, wrote: > ¡ÈCONCLUSION: The result obtained in this study is basically > in accord with > the cognitive rule of TCM theory, it provides a reliable base of > syndrome > differentiation for treatment.¡É > > What does that mean? > > - > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Al Stone > 2007ǯ1·î9Æü 12:09 > Chinese Herbal Medicine List > Depression, not just Qi Stag. > > In another study story, 397 patients with a Western diagnosis of > depression > (In China) were differentiated by TCM syndrome with the following > findings: > (Source: *http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/yd7nw8> com/yd7nw8 *) > Organ > names in parenthesis are my > additions. > > Gan (Liver) -Qi stagnation with mental uneasiness type (108 cases, > 27.2%); > > the Xin (Heart) -Pi (Spleen) deficiency with dampness retention > type (94 > cases, 23.7%); > > the Xin-Gan Qi-stagnation with Phlegm retention type (76 cases, > 19.1%); > > the Xin-Gan Qi stagnation with Jing-Luo disharmony type (57 cases, > 14.3%); > > the Xin-Shen (Kidneys?) Qi stagnation with collateral obstruction > type (34 > cases, 8.6%); > > and the Xin-Gan Qi stagnation with Heat interfering mental type (28 > cases, > 7.1%). > * > *If anybody would like to suggest different formulas for depression > associated with these syndromes, that would be great. Also, I'm not > sure > what Xin-Shen Qi stagnation with collateral obstruction type is. > Kidney and > Heart Qi deficiency with bi syndrome?. > > -- > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 FYI, here's the " Wisemanese " translation of the abstract below--- In , " Al Stone " <al wrote: > > In another study story, 397 patients with a Western diagnosis of depression > (In China) were differentiated by TCM syndrome with the following findings: > (Source: *http://tinyurl.com/yd7nw8 *) Organ names in parenthesis are my > additions. > > Gan (Liver) -Qi stagnation with mental uneasiness type (108 cases, 27.2%); binding depression of Liver Qi, disquieted heart spirit > > the Xin (Heart) -Pi (Spleen) deficiency with dampness retention type (94 > cases, 23.7%); dual vacuity of the Heart and Spleen, damp turbidity obstructing the center > > the Xin-Gan Qi-stagnation with Phlegm retention type (76 cases, 19.1%); Heart-Liver Qi depression, phlegm turbidity obstruction > > the Xin-Gan Qi stagnation with Jing-Luo disharmony type (57 cases, 14.3%); Heart-Liver Qi depression, disharmony of the channels and network vessels > > the Xin-Shen (Kidneys?) Qi stagnation with collateral obstruction type (34 > cases, 8.6%); dual depletion of Heart and Kidney, Qi depression with network vessel impediment > > and the Xin-Gan Qi stagnation with Heat interfering mental type (28 cases, > 7.1%). Heart-Liver Qi depression, transforming Heat and harassing the spirit > * > *If anybody would like to suggest different formulas for depression > associated with these syndromes, that would be great. Also, I'm not sure > what Xin-Shen Qi stagnation with collateral obstruction type is. Kidney and > Heart Qi deficiency with bi syndrome?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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