Cancer Referral List (Was Cancer Herbs)

February 5, 2007

Jing Lu, Waltham MA

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Bob Flaws

Monday, February 05, 2007 11:11 AM

Cancer Referral List (Was Cancer Herbs)

All,

Ok, I have started a file on practitioners recommended for cancer

refrrrals. So far, that list has the following names on it:

Andrew Wu, SF area

Michael Broffman, San Rafael, CA

Issac Cohen, Berkeley, CA

Yuan Wang, San Diego, CA

Ming-ying Zhou, Boulder, CO

I will keep these names in a separate Word file. When we get a bunch,

I will then post that file back here on CHA. Come on group, this is

something positive we can do. Please don't hesitate if you know anyone

in your area who is actually qaulified to treat cancer patients.

Bob

February 5, 2007

I have an addition for the cancer referral list. While at Bastyr in

the early 90's, I studied with Tai Lahans who has chosen to

specialize in TCM oncology & management of HIV/AIDS. I believe that

she is currently teaching the oncology course at the Seattle

Institute of Oriental Medicine, as well as operating her private

practice in Seattle, WA (206) 726-0269. She is a knowledgeable &

caring practitioner. There are several former patients that pop up

on a google search of Tai's name, all extolling her virtues. I have

found the information from her classes & writings a tremendous

resource over the years.

She has an oncology text that has been awaiting publication & can be

found at Elsevier's website. Book info is:

Integrating Conventional and in Cancer Care - A

Clinical Guide

By Tai Lahans, LAC, MTCM, MEd, Diplomate Chinese Herbal Medicine,

NCCAOM, White Crane Clinic, Seattle, WA, USA

Churchill Livingstone Title ISBN: 0443100632 ISBN-13: 9780443100635

Expected Release 06/29/2007

This new clinical resource clearly explains how to approach

integrated care in a way that combines Chinese herbal medicine with

Western medicine to enhance and improve medical care for patients

with cancer – without undermining or negatively impacting patients'

medical treatment. Each chapter covers a different type of cancer,

first introducing the conventional medical understanding of that

cancer including its etiology, diagnosis, and treatment according to

staging and type. The chapter then covers that cancer from the

perspective of Oriental medicine. Case studies illustrate the

integration of treatment for each cancer type, raising important

issues and considerations associated with specific cancers and

treatments.

Formulas are presented within the context of conventional treatment,

intended to enhance the effectiveness of treatment and/or treat side

effects without undermining the treatment's function.

Each formula is followed by a discussion of how and why the herbs

are used, including classical Chinese theory and relevant

pharmaceutical studies.

Staging and the age and performance status of various patients is

used as a means by which to explain how formulas are changed.

Case studies explore issues related to the integration of treatment

for each type of cancer.

For patients ( & practitioners) in the greater NW, she is a resource

worth exploring.

Jason Wright, MS, LAc

February 6, 2007

Thanks to those who have posted names and locations. Surely there must

be more. Come on out there.

Bob

, " wrightatnycc "

<wrightpoint wrote:

>

> I have an addition for the cancer referral list. While at Bastyr in

> the early 90's, I studied with Tai Lahans who has chosen to

> specialize in TCM oncology & management of HIV/AIDS. I believe that

> she is currently teaching the oncology course at the Seattle

> Institute of Oriental Medicine, as well as operating her private

> practice in Seattle, WA (206) 726-0269. She is a knowledgeable &

> caring practitioner. There are several former patients that pop up

> on a google search of Tai's name, all extolling her virtues. I have

> found the information from her classes & writings a tremendous

> resource over the years.

>

> She has an oncology text that has been awaiting publication & can be

> found at Elsevier's website. Book info is:

> Integrating Conventional and in Cancer Care - A

> Clinical Guide

> By Tai Lahans, LAC, MTCM, MEd, Diplomate Chinese Herbal Medicine,

> NCCAOM, White Crane Clinic, Seattle, WA, USA

> Churchill Livingstone Title ISBN: 0443100632 ISBN-13: 9780443100635

> Expected Release 06/29/2007

>

> This new clinical resource clearly explains how to approach

> integrated care in a way that combines Chinese herbal medicine with

> Western medicine to enhance and improve medical care for patients

> with cancer – without undermining or negatively impacting patients'

> medical treatment. Each chapter covers a different type of cancer,

> first introducing the conventional medical understanding of that

> cancer including its etiology, diagnosis, and treatment according to

> staging and type. The chapter then covers that cancer from the

> perspective of Oriental medicine. Case studies illustrate the

> integration of treatment for each cancer type, raising important

> issues and considerations associated with specific cancers and

> treatments.

>

> Formulas are presented within the context of conventional treatment,

> intended to enhance the effectiveness of treatment and/or treat side

> effects without undermining the treatment's function.

> Each formula is followed by a discussion of how and why the herbs

> are used, including classical Chinese theory and relevant

> pharmaceutical studies.

> Staging and the age and performance status of various patients is

> used as a means by which to explain how formulas are changed.

> Case studies explore issues related to the integration of treatment

> for each type of cancer.

>

> For patients ( & practitioners) in the greater NW, she is a resource

> worth exploring.

> Jason Wright, MS, LAc

>

February 6, 2007

Bob,

Feel free to post my name if you wish. But you may want to post

criteria for being on the list in the first place.

On Feb 6, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Bob Flaws wrote:

> Thanks to those who have posted names and locations. Surely there must

> be more. Come on out there.

>

> Bob

>

> , " wrightatnycc "

> <wrightpoint wrote:

> >

> > I have an addition for the cancer referral list. While at Bastyr in

> > the early 90's, I studied with Tai Lahans who has chosen to

> > specialize in TCM oncology & management of HIV/AIDS. I believe that

> > she is currently teaching the oncology course at the Seattle

> > Institute of Oriental Medicine, as well as operating her private

> > practice in Seattle, WA (206) 726-0269. She is a knowledgeable &

> > caring practitioner. There are several former patients that pop up

> > on a google search of Tai's name, all extolling her virtues. I have

> > found the information from her classes & writings a tremendous

> > resource over the years.

> >

> > She has an oncology text that has been awaiting publication & can be

> > found at Elsevier's website. Book info is:

> > Integrating Conventional and in Cancer Care - A

> > Clinical Guide

> > By Tai Lahans, LAC, MTCM, MEd, Diplomate Chinese Herbal Medicine,

> > NCCAOM, White Crane Clinic, Seattle, WA, USA

> > Churchill Livingstone Title ISBN: 0443100632 ISBN-13: 9780443100635

> > Expected Release 06/29/2007

> >

> > This new clinical resource clearly explains how to approach

> > integrated care in a way that combines Chinese herbal medicine with

> > Western medicine to enhance and improve medical care for patients

> > with cancer – without undermining or negatively impacting patients'

> > medical treatment. Each chapter covers a different type of cancer,

> > first introducing the conventional medical understanding of that

> > cancer including its etiology, diagnosis, and treatment according to

> > staging and type. The chapter then covers that cancer from the

> > perspective of Oriental medicine. Case studies illustrate the

> > integration of treatment for each cancer type, raising important

> > issues and considerations associated with specific cancers and

> > treatments.

> >

> > Formulas are presented within the context of conventional treatment,

> > intended to enhance the effectiveness of treatment and/or treat side

> > effects without undermining the treatment's function.

> > Each formula is followed by a discussion of how and why the herbs

> > are used, including classical Chinese theory and relevant

> > pharmaceutical studies.

> > Staging and the age and performance status of various patients is

> > used as a means by which to explain how formulas are changed.

> > Case studies explore issues related to the integration of treatment

> > for each type of cancer.

> >

> > For patients ( & practitioners) in the greater NW, she is a resource

> > worth exploring.

> > Jason Wright, MS, LAc

> >

>

February 7, 2007

Bob, thanks again for the posts and getting us moving again.

I would suggest any one interested in or who has cancer patients get the book,

Restored

Harmony: An Evidence Based Approach for Integrating Traditional

into

Complementary Cancer Care by Stephen Hagar as a consumer level book for cancer

patients.

I think those of us that have stayed near the schools where we trained would

recommend

our teachers. Certainly Huabing Wen in my case and as Yehuda would agree, Ji

Zhang in

Los Angeles are just two more than capable practitioners.

As you alluded to, patients often find us rather than us seeking them. Of

course, if one is

advertising some kind of speciality that has one has little training in then you

are being

un-ethical if not just dangerous. Most of my cancer patients have come to me

because I

am me, they were friends or friends of friends or somehow trusted me and

wouldn't have

gone to someone else. Of course, I always sought out advice from " old doctors "

on difficult

cases of all stripes. Actually I've had a fair amount of post graduate training

including

some time in a oncology department in Beijing so I feel I can raise the devils

advocate

arguement. I would never claim to be a cancer specialist but I am not going to

turn away

from the challenge. Now hear me out.

Do I feel comfortable or capable taking a patient through all the processes? Yes

and no. I

say that because most of the struggle of the cancer patients that I have seen

are being

pulled in various directions. I've lost patients in the vital months who have

gone for

purging - detoxifying in Mexico. Just as the one I saw recently who was being

pulled into

macrobiotics - (and has resisted it, I've now heard).

Perhaps he has been lost to another practitioner who has more enthusiasm for a

cure, but

in my mind, a lot less knowledge. (Here in LA I can mention one or two supposed

cancer

specialists who everybody else basically see as frauds.) Those first visits from

the patients

can set the stage for how the patient can see the possibilities and limitations

of the

medicine.

I've also co-treated with supposed expert Chinese doctors who give up out of

fear or lack

of knowledge or sensitivity when the decision of surgery has been set. I'm sure

it is not the

case with our own " expert list " but actually the " integrated " backgrounds are

often a

detriment for many of our colleagues. Outside of the hospital setting they can

get lost.

Although we have to be educated and realistic we also have to comprehend what

our

patients are asking from us. And that often is to work our magic. And part of

that magic is

to point them in the right direction to the best practitioner but also to guide

them through

the processes that they might not get from a less trusted practitioner.

I think I am saying all of this because although I am glad to see the number of

cancer

specialists around the country, I don't think we should be saying to less

experienced

practitioners that they shouldn't see patients who have cancer. Certainly even

an

experienced veteran like Z'ev sends the patients out to a trusted expert. The

less

experienced practitioner must know always their own limitations. But none of us

should

turn away patients and be fearful at confronting the unknown. We should fulfill

our basic

responsibility to help other people and sometimes that means keeping a patient

close and

sometimes it means sending them to others. Most often it is a mixture of the

two.

anyway....

doug

February 7, 2007

Z'ev,

Send me your contact info.

Bob

, " "

<zrosenbe wrote:

>

> Bob,

> Feel free to post my name if you wish. But you may want to post

> criteria for being on the list in the first place.

>

> On Feb 6, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Bob Flaws wrote:

>

> > Thanks to those who have posted names and locations. Surely there must

> > be more. Come on out there.

> >

> > Bob

> >

> > , " wrightatnycc "

> > <wrightpoint@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I have an addition for the cancer referral list. While at Bastyr in

> > > the early 90's, I studied with Tai Lahans who has chosen to

> > > specialize in TCM oncology & management of HIV/AIDS. I believe that

> > > she is currently teaching the oncology course at the Seattle

> > > Institute of Oriental Medicine, as well as operating her private

> > > practice in Seattle, WA (206) 726-0269. She is a knowledgeable &

> > > caring practitioner. There are several former patients that pop up

> > > on a google search of Tai's name, all extolling her virtues. I have

> > > found the information from her classes & writings a tremendous

> > > resource over the years.

> > >

> > > She has an oncology text that has been awaiting publication & can be

> > > found at Elsevier's website. Book info is:

> > > Integrating Conventional and in Cancer Care - A

> > > Clinical Guide

> > > By Tai Lahans, LAC, MTCM, MEd, Diplomate Chinese Herbal Medicine,

> > > NCCAOM, White Crane Clinic, Seattle, WA, USA

> > > Churchill Livingstone Title ISBN: 0443100632 ISBN-13: 9780443100635

> > > Expected Release 06/29/2007

> > >

> > > This new clinical resource clearly explains how to approach

> > > integrated care in a way that combines Chinese herbal medicine with

> > > Western medicine to enhance and improve medical care for patients

> > > with cancer – without undermining or negatively impacting patients'

> > > medical treatment. Each chapter covers a different type of cancer,

> > > first introducing the conventional medical understanding of that

> > > cancer including its etiology, diagnosis, and treatment according to

> > > staging and type. The chapter then covers that cancer from the

> > > perspective of Oriental medicine. Case studies illustrate the

> > > integration of treatment for each cancer type, raising important

> > > issues and considerations associated with specific cancers and

> > > treatments.

> > >

> > > Formulas are presented within the context of conventional treatment,

> > > intended to enhance the effectiveness of treatment and/or treat side

> > > effects without undermining the treatment's function.

> > > Each formula is followed by a discussion of how and why the herbs

> > > are used, including classical Chinese theory and relevant

> > > pharmaceutical studies.

> > > Staging and the age and performance status of various patients is

> > > used as a means by which to explain how formulas are changed.

> > > Case studies explore issues related to the integration of treatment

> > > for each type of cancer.

> > >

> > > For patients ( & practitioners) in the greater NW, she is a resource

> > > worth exploring.

> > > Jason Wright, MS, LAc

> > >

> >

>

February 7, 2007

Doug,

Can you send me the contact information for the Chinese doctors you

mentioned? I'd like this list to be a s user-friendly as possible.

Bob

, " "

wrote:

>

> Bob, thanks again for the posts and getting us moving again.

>

> I would suggest any one interested in or who has cancer patients get

the book, Restored

> Harmony: An Evidence Based Approach for Integrating Traditional

into

> Complementary Cancer Care by Stephen Hagar as a consumer level book

for cancer

> patients.

>

> I think those of us that have stayed near the schools where we

trained would recommend

> our teachers. Certainly Huabing Wen in my case and as Yehuda would

agree, Ji Zhang in

> Los Angeles are just two more than capable practitioners.

>

> As you alluded to, patients often find us rather than us seeking

them. Of course, if one is

> advertising some kind of speciality that has one has little training

in then you are being

> un-ethical if not just dangerous. Most of my cancer patients have

come to me because I

> am me, they were friends or friends of friends or somehow trusted me

and wouldn't have

> gone to someone else. Of course, I always sought out advice from

" old doctors " on difficult

> cases of all stripes. Actually I've had a fair amount of post

graduate training including

> some time in a oncology department in Beijing so I feel I can raise

the devils advocate

> arguement. I would never claim to be a cancer specialist but I am

not going to turn away

> from the challenge. Now hear me out.

>

> Do I feel comfortable or capable taking a patient through all the

processes? Yes and no. I

> say that because most of the struggle of the cancer patients that I

have seen are being

> pulled in various directions. I've lost patients in the vital months

who have gone for

> purging - detoxifying in Mexico. Just as the one I saw recently who

was being pulled into

> macrobiotics - (and has resisted it, I've now heard).

> Perhaps he has been lost to another practitioner who has more

enthusiasm for a cure, but

> in my mind, a lot less knowledge. (Here in LA I can mention one or

two supposed cancer

> specialists who everybody else basically see as frauds.) Those first

visits from the patients

> can set the stage for how the patient can see the possibilities and

limitations of the

> medicine.

>

> I've also co-treated with supposed expert Chinese doctors who give

up out of fear or lack

> of knowledge or sensitivity when the decision of surgery has been

set. I'm sure it is not the

> case with our own " expert list " but actually the " integrated "

backgrounds are often a

> detriment for many of our colleagues. Outside of the hospital

setting they can get lost.

> Although we have to be educated and realistic we also have to

comprehend what our

> patients are asking from us. And that often is to work our magic.

And part of that magic is

> to point them in the right direction to the best practitioner but

also to guide them through

> the processes that they might not get from a less trusted practitioner.

>

> I think I am saying all of this because although I am glad to see

the number of cancer

> specialists around the country, I don't think we should be saying to

less experienced

> practitioners that they shouldn't see patients who have cancer.

Certainly even an

> experienced veteran like Z'ev sends the patients out to a trusted

expert. The less

> experienced practitioner must know always their own limitations. But

none of us should

> turn away patients and be fearful at confronting the unknown. We

should fulfill our basic

> responsibility to help other people and sometimes that means keeping

a patient close and

> sometimes it means sending them to others. Most often it is a

mixture of the two.

>

> anyway....

> doug

>

February 7, 2007

Z'ev,

In terms of criteria for inclusion on this list, I'm comfortable with

the opinions and experiences of members of this forum. To try to

create something more than that is beyond my limited knowledge. If the

group wants to discuss such criteria, that might be useful, but I

don't want to be the arbiter. So far, I've included the name of anyone

recommended. While that may not be perfect, it's more than we have now.