Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Dear Group, One of my patients has developed a severe grade III+ necrotic tissue ulcer on two fingers. Both her fingers are very swollen, red and painful with her tendons visible in one of them. Her GP and plastic surgeon (?) said that she will probably lose at least one of the fingers, and just packed it with Neosporin and sent her out the door. (Seems like there are better attempts than that??) Anyway, I am wondering if anyone has experience treating this condition (topically) with Chinese herbs or other therapies. I have found some information in the book, " Complete External Therapies of Chinese drugs " , but still unsure what I will attempt. I know this is a complicated matter entailing proper debridement and infection control. If anyone on the list could correspond with me on this please let me know. You can email me privately if you like, and if possible I would like to call tomorrow (Wednesday) and talk voice. Time is of the essence, please let me know ASAP. Thanks in advance, - <Chinese Medicine> <Chinese Medicine> tel: <http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature & To=303.545.5792+x102 & Em ail=> www.Chinese Medicine <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hello, I have heard that Dr. Robert Smatt in San Diego is very effective with utlizing acupuncture, herbs and hyperbaric O2 chambers to treat cases of ulceration and gangrene. You may want to give him a call and ask about his protocol. His website is: http://www.wholisticpetmed.com/about_the_doctor.htm His phone #: (858) 278-1575 The website focuses on his work as a holistic vet, but he is also a L.Ac. with a MTCM. He works on both humans and animals. While I'm here, let me introduce myself. My name is David Russell and I just received my acupuncture license in California. My wife and I just opened up a clinic, Russell Family Acupuncture, in Petaluma, California which is about 45 minutes north of San Francisco. The past 12 years I have practiced massage in Portland, OR, St.Thomas, USVI and Virginia Beach, VA. I finished Fred Lerner's Acupuncture Orthopedics program this past January and look forward to taking lots of continuing ed in the future. I teach clinical massage, anatomy and physiology, acupressure, myofascial release, craniosacral therapy and basic herbology at the Sky Hill Institute here in Petaluma. warmest regards, David Russell, LAc, CMT Russell Family Acupuncture www.acuherbal.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Last year I successfully treated a 50 yr old diabetic carpenter with osteomyelis of the index finger...possibly caused by a deeply embedded and ignored splinter. His doctors were talking amputation. The 4 main things I did were: 1. Bled Master Tung's 11.26 ( Control Dirt) on side of injury...for stagnant non-healing wounds 2. Herbal powder poultices of Ru Xiang, Mu Yao, Astragalus, Yunan Bai Yao 3. Balance Method Acupuncture treating analagous contralateral points. 4. Large doses of Wobenzyme Wishing you success. Turiya Hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Dear Tuyiya (and all), Thanks for the info. - I do have a question though, in regard to your Osteomyelitis case. Was there a open wound with necrotic tissue? If so I assume it was Stage IV?? I only ask because I wonder about your herbal poultice. I have a few poultice ideas to pack the wound, but am very cautious due to further or increased risk of infection. The Chinese sources I read discuss sterilizing the gauze + herbs before inserting them. This is my primarily question and concern. If anyone has experience along these lines I would be happy to hear about it. Thanks, -Jason _____ On Behalf Of turiyahill Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:29 PM Re: Necrotic tissue ulcer Last year I successfully treated a 50 yr old diabetic carpenter with osteomyelis of the index finger...possibly caused by a deeply embedded and ignored splinter. His doctors were talking amputation. The 4 main things I did were: 1. Bled Master Tung's 11.26 ( Control Dirt) on side of injury...for stagnant non-healing wounds 2. Herbal powder poultices of Ru Xiang, Mu Yao, Astragalus, Yunan Bai Yao 3. Balance Method Acupuncture treating analagous contralateral points. 4. Large doses of Wobenzyme Wishing you success. Turiya Hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 > NO open wound nor necrotic tissue.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Jason, This is actually one of the few good uses for white sugar. It has an osmotic effect and it tends to both be too strong to promote infection and to dehydrate microbes attacking the finger. I have used it successfully for diabetic ulcerations and it has been used as a battlefield dressing for wounds in pre-antibiotic eras. Karen Vaughan, L.Ac. Licensed Acupuncturist, and Herbalist 253 Garfield Place Brooklyn NY 11215 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 Karen, This is very interesting - you say it's too strong to promote infection and too strong to dehydrate microbes. What is too strong about it and what does it do then for the ulcer? Geoff , Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden1 wrote: > > Jason, > > This is actually one of the few good uses for white sugar. It has an > osmotic effect and it tends to both be too strong to promote infection > and to dehydrate microbes attacking the finger. I have used it > successfully for diabetic ulcerations and it has been used as a > battlefield dressing for wounds in pre-antibiotic eras. > > Karen Vaughan, L.Ac. > Licensed Acupuncturist, and Herbalist > 253 Garfield Place > Brooklyn NY 11215 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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