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Paradoxical observations in acupuncture:

 

1.. Most veterinary acupuncturists, who use AP or gold implants at the

acupoints, find them to be most successful and effective to treat canine hip

dysplasia (HD). Clinical experience from several colleagues, with overall

success rates of 80-90%, supports this opinion. Recently, although they used

slightly different methods of implantation, three independent uncontrolled

retrospective clinical studies on the effectiveness of gold implants to treat

canine HD in 218 dogs in Denmark (the late Jens Klitsgaard, 100 dogs), Norway

(Are Thoresen, 50 dogs) and Germany (Erhard Schulze, 68 dogs) reported a

clinical success rate of near 90%. However, the clinical response to gold bead

implantation AP to treat canine HD was evaluated also in two double-blind

studies. One was in Finland by Anna Hielm et al (1998) and the other was in the

USA by Bebchuk et al (1998). Also there will shortly be publishes a third

article by Gry Jäger (Oslo 2002). Anna Hielm gave me a summary of her article

in Finnish. The dogs were treated in a double-blinded study; the owners did the

evaluation. Both groups of dogs showed positive results but there was no

difference between the two groups. Bebchuk's study was a communication from his

university. He also treated the dogs in a double-blind study but the evaluation

was objective; it used force-plates to measure the force exerted by the dogs on

the treated limbs. Neither group of dogs improved, and there was no difference

between the two groups. The dogs in the treatment group tended to get worse. Gry

Jäger's article will conclude (as reported at the IVAS Congress in Spietz) that

there was a positive and statistical difference between the two groups, but much

less that one may expect according to the results reported by Klitsgaard,

Schulze and Thoresen. All three studies show the same result: gold-implantation

in the hip area had little or no positive effect on the dogs and some dogs in

Bebchuck's study even got worse! So we see that a very successful therapy in the

clinic is almost without effect in a double-blind trial.

2.. A good friend and colleague in Norway has had good results in his

acupuncture therapy in recent years,. He then hired helpers, colleagues and

animal-caretakers, who did not believe in acupuncture. After two years he told

me; " Are, I do not understand what is happening, acupuncture does not seem to

work for me any more " .

3.. A colleague in the US said the following: " Twenty-five years ago I had great

results treating just GB29, 30, and BL54 in canine hip dysplasia. If I treat

just these points today, I would see very little improvement in my patients. I

agree that focus and mindset is a major part in one's treatment protocol and

point selection. In the treatment of hip dysplasia, you (i.e. Are) place a much

higher degree of power on the use of Liv 3 than I do; therefore Liv 3 works for

you but not for me. I treat many conditions for which I use only one needle, or

implant only one point, but my focus is different from when I am treating hip

dysplasia. We are getting back to focus and intent, the two most important

factors in acupuncture. A German colleague answered to this: " Some years ago I

had to open the Du Mai with Gb 41 first in about 80% of my horse patients. Today

it happens about once a week. Who changed? The horses or I? "

 

 

Paradoxical observations in homeopathy:

 

1.. Beneviste's investigations showed that the results differed when he made the

trials alone versus in the presence of sceptics. He suggested that the presence

of the critical persons " zeroed " the results of the investigations.

2.. Later, Professor Kröplin at the University of Stuttgart showed clearly that

mood-changes of the scientists changed the results in sensitive crystallisation

by such a degree (up to 47%) that the claims of Beneviste no longer seem so

far-fetched. (Kröplin 2001).

3.. Many investigations showed that homeopathy works sometimes, and sometimes

not (Coulter 1980, Linde 1997, Vaarst 1996). Also many homeopathic studies show

that results are very good in the clinic but are bad in double-blinded trials.

 

 

Paradoxical observations in biodynamic agriculture:

 

1.. Biodynamic agriculture uses homeopathic substances called the " Remedies " . As

in homeopathy, Biodynamic agriculture has given paradoxical results in practical

situations; some people have had good results but others not. Many farmers

report good results but controlled trials have shown little or no effect.

2.. In farming I have often heard that methods or remedies that clearly work in

the field, totally lose their effect when submitted to double-blind

investigations.

 

 

Paradoxical observations in other areas of science:

 

1.. Viktor Schauberger, between the first and the second world wars, conducted

many interesting trials and studies in Austria on the peculiarities of water.

His results amazed many scientists, and even Hitler ordered him to work for his

war-machine. Later, it emerged that it was almost impossible to replicate

Schauberger's results but few have suggested that he was cheating.

2.. Sir Jagadis Chandra Bose, one of the most famous scientists in India, showed

with his self-constructed machines that plants and metals had a soul-life of

their own. The problem was that nobody could replicate his results. My

interpretation of his trials is that his own psyche (intention) was so strong

that it influenced his results.

3.. Professor Kröplin from Stuttgart has shown that the patterns of

crystallisations and the forms of drops falling into water was up to 48%

influenced by the emotions of the scientists. This would explain the results of

many great " alternative " scientists, such as Shauberger, Bose and even Steiner.

4.. Quantum-physics also indicates that the observer influences the observed

results; the scientists influence the outcome from a given experimental

protocol, and the variation between their results is unexplained. Many

quantum-physicists accept this today; however, Werner Heisenberg's

uncertainly-equation may explain the differences practically and theoretically.

Here is a quote from " The Tao of Physics " by Fritjof Capra: " In modern physics,

the question of consciousness has arisen in connection with the observation of

atomic phenomena can only be understood as links in a chain of processes, the

end of which lies in the consciousness of the human observer " . In the words of

Eugene Wigner: " It was not possible to formulate the laws of quantum theory in a

fully consistent way without reference to consciousness. " Wigner and others have

argued that the explicit inclusion of human consciousness may be an essential

aspect of future theories of matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi all,

 

I am doing some research and I'm looking for anything anyone might have on

paradoxical treatment fan3 zhi4 (â€Â½Å½Â¡) either English or Chinese would be

fine, even French would be ok if you have that.

 

Thanks,

Thomas

 

 

Honolulu, HI

thomas@sourcepointh <thomas%40sourcepointherbs.org> erbs.org

www.sourcepointherbs.org

 

 

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Are and all,

 

Thanks so much for the info on paradoxical treatment. I am looking more

specifically at Chinese herbal medicine. I can most definately use that material

but it is the concept, as it applies to Chinese herbal medicine that most

interests me.

 

Thomas

 

 

 

Honolulu, HI

 

www.sourcepointherbs.org