Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Dear CHA, Can anyone of you recommend Chinese medicine practitioners in the Cincinatti and Savannah areas for a patient with progressive supranuclear palsy? This request was tacked on to the end of one of my earlier messages and many of you may not have seen it. Doug, returning to the question of textbook production, here are a few more thoughts that might help. There were some very specific pressures on Chinese medicine doctors during these eras that I haven’t mentioned in my earlier messages. One important distinction in the early Communist era was between the Ministry of Health and the Communist Party itself. The former was dominated by biomedical specialists and was quite hostile to Chinese medicine; the latter was much more receptive to Chinese medicine, perhaps because of the base experience in Yan’an or because of their more pragmatic outlook regarding China’s limited health professional resources at the time. (Of course, the Communists had their own agenda to “reform” Chinese medicine, but at least they didn’t want to eliminate it.) There were important clashes in the 1950s between these two groups. The party ultimately prevailed and several leading members of the Ministry of Health were forced out. My recollection is a little rusty at the moment, but I believe these clashes were (at least partially) responsible for the delays in setting up Chinese medicine institutes and the writing of textbooks, none which got going until the mid 1950s or later. Today, Chinese medicine has its own administrative body now which helps insulate it from some lingering prejudice among M of H bureaucrats. There are several interesting books that touch of some of these political issues that you might want to check out. I recommend two books: David Lampton’s, _The Politics of Medicine in China_ and Kim Taylor’s _Medicine of Revolution_. (Lampton’s book is out of print, but available in university libraries; Kim’s book just came out a couple years ago and is very strong on examining these tensions.) In the Republican era, the Ministry of Health was even more hostile towards Chinese medicine. You are probably familiar with the famous attempt by Yu Yunxiu, member of the Ministry of Health, to ban the practice of Chinese medicine altogether in 1929. His proposed bill was not passed by the legislature, but the effects of the proposal on the Chinese medicine community were quite profound nonetheless. There are two excellent Ph. D. dissertations that address this topic with great sophistication – Bridie Andrew’s _The Making of Modern _ and Hsiang-Lin Lei’s, _When Encountered the State_. Unfortunately, they may be hard to find (check UMI abstracts, if you are interested in purchasing them). Ralph Croizier’s, _Traditional Medicine in Modern China_ is the classic on this topic. It’s out of print, but also available in good university libraries. To my knowledge, the Ministry of Health officials usually did not have a direct impact on the writing of Chinese medicine textbooks. (This is somewhat less true in the Communist era, but the influences were actually considered beneficial by most of the editors that I was able to speak with.) But the hostile environment that they helped to create and perpetuate certainly had a strong influence of the scholars who were writing textbooks. So the influence was there, but it was primarily indirect. If you look back at Republican era scholarship in Chinese medicine, a great deal of it was oriented towards explaining Chinese medicine in terms of Western medicine. Even Ren Yingqiu, one of the most revered modern scholars of Chinese medicine and ardent defender of Chinese medicine, got his start doing this kind of highly “integrationist” sort of work back in the 1930s. I think these scholars saw this new hybrid type of scholarship as the only way forward at the time. This desire to integrate Chinese medicine with Western medicine has ebbed and flowed over the 20th century, but it has been far stronger than most outside observers have recognized. Foreign students of Chinese medicine, like most of us in this discussion group, have come to Chinese medicine seeking the most unique aspects of the medical practice that distinguish it from biomedicine. But most Chinese medicine doctors in China (including the textbook editors) have been much more keenly aware of relationship between the two medical systems – sometimes seeking to mark the differences between the two but other times trying to bring them together. The results have been complicated. I hope this helps. Eric ______________________________\ ____ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Eric, I don't know much about the history of the ministry of health towards CM in the past, but I am under the impression that the current PRC ministry of health is pretty supportive of Chinese medicine. If I'm not mistaken, the Ministry of Health is the ultimate body above the State Administration of TCM (SATCM), which puts out some nice textbook sets and many other books, and also funds lots of research and other organizations and institutions. I know that the World Federation of Societies runs underneath SATCM and the Ministry of Health, and I think that there is still a close connection between the Ministry of Health and the former gov't monopoly medical publisher, Renmin Weisheng Chubanshe (PMPH). PMPH was once dominated by WM professionals, but the current president is an experienced older TCM doctor. I know the PMPH president and I am under the impression that he is well-connected with the Ministry of Health, and I think they are quite supportive of expanding CM internationally. From everything I can tell, the current Chinese Ministry of Health is doing quite a lot to promote Chinese medicine, but of course that might just be a recent trend (I know little about the history, as I've said). Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Eric, I think you're right about current relations between the Ministry of Health and the State Administration of Traditional , at least at the institutional level. The SATCM folks that I have met complain about the condescending attitude of MoH people in their administrative interactions. So I suspect there are probably mixed views about Chinese medicine at the MoH at a personal level (biomedicine doctors in China are not much better than biomedical doctors here in terms of their openness to CM). But they all faithfully toe the party line in the everyday work. The PMPH is an interesting (counter)example, but then they are in the business of selling books. For those of you interested in Republican and late imperial history of Chinese medicine, I should also mention Volker's new book, which I am sure will be excellent on these subjects. I'm not sure if it is out yet. It was originally slated to come out last year. Eric ______________________________\ ____ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545367 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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