post menopausal carpal tunnel, hand numbness

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On a different subject--I have been encountering several females of

menopausal age that present with numbness of the hands as a primary

symptom. (no rsi issues) I have one woman whose numbness was

complicated with severe pain after removal of her ovaries due to benign

masses on them. She is 53. (She had endometriosis 8 years prior and was

treated with Lupron which " quieted " the endo down). Juan Bi Tang

cleared up the pain in the hands nicely, but the numbness remains

although there has been slight improvement. She has been set up wth a

Micro Tens unit and an Ito laser pen and is home treating according to

the Margaret Naeser carpal tunnel protocol.

I am wondering if any have encountered this issue of numbness in the

hands, and what formulas have been of help. These women tend to have

concurrent blood and qi vacuity with kidney vacuity issues as well. One

has hands that are often cold , the others do not. I know I must treat

these issues herbally as well, but am wondering if any formulas come to

mind that hit all those cylinders. I use mainly prepared formulas but

also make up formulas in granular form if i need to, through Qualiherb.

thanks for any input.

rc

[Guest guest]

I've had a couple of px I've treated with variations of bu yang huan wu tang for

things like that, though they generally shade more towards chronic fatigue/pain

for a Western dx, and qi and blood vacuity with vacuity related blood and qi

stagnation for CM dx. The results were surprisingly good considering the

possible complicated nature of disorders like chronic fatigue, and quite fast,

with substantial results within a month or two. I've only done follow up work

with one of the women, but its been about two years out and she's still well and

painting and working with her hands every day.

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rcooper1us

Friday, March 23, 2007 10:12 AM

post menopausal carpal tunnel, hand numbness

 

 

On a different subject--I have been encountering several females of

menopausal age that present with numbness of the hands as a primary

symptom. (no rsi issues) I have one woman whose numbness was

complicated with severe pain after removal of her ovaries due to benign

masses on them. She is 53. (She had endometriosis 8 years prior and was

treated with Lupron which " quieted " the endo down). Juan Bi Tang

cleared up the pain in the hands nicely, but the numbness remains

although there has been slight improvement. She has been set up wth a

Micro Tens unit and an Ito laser pen and is home treating according to

the Margaret Naeser carpal tunnel protocol.

I am wondering if any have encountered this issue of numbness in the

hands, and what formulas have been of help. These women tend to have

concurrent blood and qi vacuity with kidney vacuity issues as well. One

has hands that are often cold , the others do not. I know I must treat

these issues herbally as well, but am wondering if any formulas come to

mind that hit all those cylinders. I use mainly prepared formulas but

also make up formulas in granular form if i need to, through Qualiherb.

thanks for any input.

rc

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am very interested in " rcooper1us " observation relating post menopause and

numbness of hands (arms, too?). I know that there is one extraordinary meridian

in arms that TCM ignored. That is Bao Mai. Bao (pouch) means " uterus " not

" pericardium " as TCM says. Does anyone know about this farther?

Shinjiro

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

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> I am very interested in " rcooper1us " observation relating post

menopause and numbness of hands (arms, too?). I know that there is

one extraordinary meridian in arms that TCM ignored. That is Bao Mai.

Bao (pouch) means " uterus " not " pericardium " as TCM says. Does anyone

know about this farther?

> Shinjiro

 

 

I think this is a good way to begin thinking of this issue, Shinjiro.

This patient also had the same type of carpal tunnel/ numbness during

both of her pregnancies.(This numbness occurred only in the hands).

Interestingly, so did her daughter. The neurologist called

it " gestational " carpal tunnel and associated it with hormonal

changes. It spontaneously resolves following birth, yet it hangs on

indefinitely for many post menopausal women who have no other risk

factors such as computer work, etc.

 

The Bao Mai is also called the Wrapper vessel if I am not mistaken

and, yes, has to do with the coursing of blood downward from the

heart to the uterus. During menopause, the Bao Mai reverses its flow

so that the blood, which is not made in surplus now, can go to

nourish the organs.

 

Also not to be forgotten is the Chong Mai which utilizes Pericardium

6, and also irrigates the uterus. I apologize if my Chinese anatomy

is rusty...I must go and brush up...but it is a very good

thought .When I have more time I will mull this over more

carefully.

 

As blood is made less efficiently after the Yang Ming declines, and

then at about the age of 49 there is another decline of the Ming Men,

I feel that the women with precarious Blood production and concurrent

Kidney vacuity may predispose them to this. Any other thoughts out

there?

 

rc

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On 3/24/07, rcooper1us <rcooper1us wrote:

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> > I am very interested in " rcooper1us " observation relating post

> menopause and numbness of hands (arms, too?). I know that there is

> one extraordinary meridian in arms that TCM ignored. That is Bao Mai.

> Bao (pouch) means " uterus " not " pericardium " as TCM says. Does anyone

> know about this farther?

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm. " Bao Mail " ¡â pericardium?

 

Know what they call that in Chinese? " Xin Bao Mai " Heart Pouch Channel.

 

The coincidental nature of the problem with reproductive functions (or lack

thereof) suggests to me that this is a Jue Yin issue, which favors the Liver

in TCM. Liver stores the blood, and so forth. But the Jue Yin channel is

both the Liver and PC channels.

 

As blood is made less efficiently after the Yang Ming declines, and

> then at about the age of 49 there is another decline of the Ming Men,

> I feel that the women with precarious Blood production and concurrent

> Kidney vacuity may predispose them to this. Any other thoughts out

> there?

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that you've been describing the Jue Yin chanels and organs.

 

 

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Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Al Stone " <al wrote:

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> On 3/24/07, rcooper1us <rcooper1us wrote:

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> > >

> > > I am very interested in " rcooper1us " observation relating post

> > menopause and numbness of hands (arms, too?). I know that there is

> > one extraordinary meridian in arms that TCM ignored. That is Bao

Mai.

> > Bao (pouch) means " uterus " not " pericardium " as TCM says. Does

anyone

> > know about this farther?

> >

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Hmmm. " Bao Mail " ¡â pericardium?

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> The Naeser Laser protocol for carpal tunnel utilizes PC7 and TW4 as

the sites for the primary tens electrodes.

 

See :

 

http://www.acupuncture.com/conditions/ctslaseracu.htm

 

rc

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