Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Anyone used Ashi pain creams? any feedback? I asked them about the process they use but they will not reveal anything - " Michael Tierra " <mtierra Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:30 AM regarding guggul TCM considers phlegm and dampness to be the most difficult pathogen to resolve and indeed it is. It is a condition of stagnation associated with body stiffness, rheumatic conditions and even impaired mental function i.e. it is very much associated with the process of aging. In all of this it is comparable to the Ayurvedic concept of " ama " which is a term to denote toxicity and described as a sticky substance that is the underlying cause of disease. In ayurvedic medicine, pungent and spicy herbs are used to dissolve ama as well as preparations of Guggul (myrrh). TCM describes Myrrha (Mo Yao) as an herb that invigorates blood and dispels blood stasis, reduces swelling and alleviates pain. Because its active is a resin, it is not extracted very well in water and under prolonged heat it volatalizes. Furthermore, Western herbalism believes that the chronic intake of resins are difficult for the small tubules of the kidneys to process. Ayurveda has a superior method of extracting the useful aspects of myrrh and discarding the indigestable parts. It is cooked in a porous bag usually in a tea of Triphala (another important Ayurvedic preparation that should be better appreciated by Chinese practitioners because it detoxifies without causing any deficiencies). This form of triphala is called yoga raj guggul and is the most commonly used for all purpose. Most people think of guggul primarily as being anticholesterol and raising thyroid. This is medical. however traditional indications are general body stiffness. For the acupuncturists and TCM practitioner consider it a safe practically food grade substance that moves blood, relieves wind dampness. In a similar manner Ayurveda also used frankincense (aka gummi olibanum 'ru xiang') both are very effective for relieving pain by removing blood, qi and damp stagnation. Guggul is the primary botanical used to treat " ama. " Kaishore guggul is specific for treating cancer. How important is it in TCM to 'open the channels? " -- thus guggul and thus its use for the aged. The problem is that guggul does powerfully relieve body stiffness, promote blood circulation (without thinning the blood) and relieve stiff, achy feelings. The problem with such things is that when people have these symptoms they are so subjective on a day to day basis that they often don't recognize the powerful difference that guggul as a supplement for such conditions makes. Following is from a paper I wrote for a seminar on the treatment of Phlegm disorders: Guggul (commihora wightii/commiphora mukul English name: Indian Bedellium Sanskrit: Guggulu It has been used in Hindu Ayurvedic medicine for over 3000 years and is regarded as the most important herb for detoxifying Ama. A general indication for the use of Guggul is pain and body stiffness which probably indicates what are known as " rheumy complaints in Appalachian folk medicine. Guggul is also known to lower blood cholesterol by 14-27% and triglycerides by 22-30%. It has none of the adverse effects of prescription drugs and also has the virtue of increasing HDL (the good cholesterol) while lowering LDL (bad cholesterol). This is seen after using it for a period of 4 to 12 weeks. Guggul also reduces pain, relaxes the muscles, relieves menstrual pain, detoxifies the blood and breaks up stagnation in the body. It has a wide and diverse array of uses including: * Weight management * Lowering cholesterol * Improving circulation * Relieving arthritic pain * Treating boils * Treating eczema * Menstrual pain * Dermatitis * Psoriasis * Skin rashes. Classically in Ayurveda guggul is often taken with other herbs especially triphala which when combined is called Yoga Raj Guggul. Kaishore Guggul is indicated for heat toxins, then there is Trayadashanga Guggul, Kanchanara Guggul, Mahayogaraj guggul etc. Used in this way Guggul is used to purge Ama from the body. Yogaraj Guggul is the most commonly used and relieves vata (pain and stiffness) in the joints. Kaishore Guggul is specifically used for inflammatory or pitta conditions associated with any chronic disease. It is used for cancer as well as many other conditions. Kanchana Guggul is specifically indicated for skin diseases and to increase white blood cells. Guggul works by decreasing platelet stickiness and thus reducing the risk of heart disease and stroke. It is a specific herb for relieving all conditions associated with aging. No one knows how Guggul specifically works but it may bind to cholesterol in the gut to eliminate it before it enters the blood stream. It has been extensively studied for over 30 years. One 1994 study published in Cardiovascular Drugs and Therapy found that it reduced serum cholesterol about 18%, LDL cholesterol by 13% and triglycerides 12%. Generally Guggul needs to be taken 3-4 weeks before the full benefits can be felt but individual results may vary. Guggul is also one of the few botanicals know to raise thyroid levels which is another factor to consider in its cholesterol lowering properties. Guggul is purified by cooking it either in cow's milk or triphala. This removes the resins which in myrrh are known to be harmful to the kidneys when used long term. In order for Guggul to show its maximum cholesterol lowering effect, it should be taken with a health balanced diet, low in processed fats and carbohydrates. . Michael Tierra HYPERLINK " http://www.planetherbs.com " www.planetherbs.com office (831) 429-8066 _____ Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including a practitioner's directory and a moderated discussion forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 The best and most effective ashi cream i have used is " Arnica " There is a homeopatic company called " Heel " , and they have a product called " Traumeel " made of arnica, extremely eficient, to the point where I have never tried mixtures of Chinese herbs, because it works so well Gaal , " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus wrote: > > Anyone used Ashi pain creams? any feedback? I asked them about the process > they use but they will not reveal > anything > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 I note from their ad that they have separate creams for men and women. The main difference is that the male formulas have no dang gui. Otherwise the ingredients are the same (proportions not listed). I actually queried them via email as to their rationale for that and they responded that it has estrogen-like effects and thus not necessary for men. Is this a valid concern? It seems to me that dang gui has been a frequent ingredient in di da formulas for a long time. Anyone have any ideas on this? ann Anyone used Ashi pain creams? any feedback? I asked them about the process they use but they will not reveal anything Recent Activity a.. 5New Members b.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 I do not think it is rational at all not to use dang gui in man, First of al it does not have much if any estrogen-like effect. What i am more concern about is that the labels do not list all the ingredient. I asked for it and so far nothing - snakeoil.works Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:32 PM Re: Ashi I note from their ad that they have separate creams for men and women. The main difference is that the male formulas have no dang gui. Otherwise the ingredients are the same (proportions not listed). I actually queried them via email as to their rationale for that and they responded that it has estrogen-like effects and thus not necessary for men. Is this a valid concern? It seems to me that dang gui has been a frequent ingredient in di da formulas for a long time. Anyone have any ideas on this? ann Anyone used Ashi pain creams? any feedback? I asked them about the process they use but they will not reveal anything Recent Activity a.. 5New Members b.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 The ingredients are listed if you s in their promotional emails, or go to their site. Are you saying there are other ingredients than the ones listed there? ann I do not think it is rational at all not to use dang gui in man, First of al it does not have much if any estrogen-like effect. What i am more concern about is that the labels do not list all the ingredient. I asked for it and so far nothing I note from their ad that they have separate creams for men and women. The main difference is that the male formulas have no dang gui. Otherwise the ingredients are the same (proportions not listed). I actually queried them via email as to their rationale for that and they responded that it has estrogen-like effects and thus not necessary for men. Is this a valid concern? It seems to me that dang gui has been a frequent ingredient in di da formulas for a long time. Anyone have any ideas on this? ann Anyone used Ashi pain creams? any feedback? I asked them about the process they use but they will not reveal anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 The herbs are listed but is it a h2o base cream, is it oil? if i put something on my pt i need to know what i put on. - snakeoil.works Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:25 PM Re: Ashi The ingredients are listed if you s in their promotional emails, or go to their site. Are you saying there are other ingredients than the ones listed there? ann I do not think it is rational at all not to use dang gui in man, First of al it does not have much if any estrogen-like effect. What i am more concern about is that the labels do not list all the ingredient. I asked for it and so far nothing I note from their ad that they have separate creams for men and women. The main difference is that the male formulas have no dang gui. Otherwise the ingredients are the same (proportions not listed). I actually queried them via email as to their rationale for that and they responded that it has estrogen-like effects and thus not necessary for men. Is this a valid concern? It seems to me that dang gui has been a frequent ingredient in di da formulas for a long time. Anyone have any ideas on this? ann Anyone used Ashi pain creams? any feedback? I asked them about the process they use but they will not reveal anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 good point. I will email them again and ask them. ann The herbs are listed but is it a h2o base cream, is it oil? if i put something on my pt i need to know what i put on. The ingredients are listed if you s in their promotional emails, or go to their site. Are you saying there are other ingredients than the ones listed there? ann I do not think it is rational at all not to use dang gui in man, First of al it does not have much if any estrogen-like effect. What i am more concern about is that the labels do not list all the ingredient. I asked for it and so far nothing I note from their ad that they have separate creams for men and women. The main difference is that the male formulas have no dang gui. Otherwise the ingredients are the same (proportions not listed). I actually queried them via email as to their rationale for that and they responded that it has estrogen-like effects and thus not necessary for men. Is this a valid concern? It seems to me that dang gui has been a frequent ingredient in di da formulas for a long time. Anyone have any ideas on this? ann Anyone used Ashi pain creams? any feedback? I asked them about the process they use but they will not reveal anything Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including a practitioner's directory and a moderated discussion forum. Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity a.. 6New Members b.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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