pregnancy pain patches

[Guest guest]

Thanks Par for your thought process, esp regarding the comparative difference in

first trimester internal abortifaceants vs second tri external herbs.

Got the outward needling technique in school. After the tx pt felt no pain for

the first time in weeks. I did not encircle the scar tho, only cephalically in 3

rows of 10blue seirins beginning a couple mm above the scar. I had her apply

herbal patches a couple hours after tx: Safflower, Dragon's blood, frankincense,

myrrh, sparganiu, zedoary, Gleditsia Thom, Speranskia, Gan Cao and Borneol (no

dosages given). We'l see how long the effects last.

Alexander I'm not so concerned about the scar, but about the adhesions below. I

massaged quite deeply to begin to break up, then did needles.

Andrea, do you have a vendor name for castor oil packs? I have heard of this but

not tried it yet.

Thanks everyone.

-p

Pamela Zilavy, L.Ac.

chexin

http://www.change-exchange-interchange.com

415) 279-8376

 

The two scar protocols I'm familiar with both needle obliquely towards the scar,

is this another approach?

 

I don't know if this is helpful, but there are two schools of thought about

topical application, one being that things applied to the surface effect the

inside the same as if taken internally. This would apply to supplementation

using the navel and other spots. The other attitude was that things worked

somewhat differently on the surface. Of course, reflecting on the external

materia medica one can see that many toxic substances were applied to the

surface of the body with impunity, and many internal herbs were used externally

with quite different attitudes. All that is to say that I doubt the small amount

of patch herbs are going to effect a second trimester pregnancy when it would

take a fairly concerted effort to induce an abortion in the first trimester with

internal herbs, provided the patient is otherwise healthy.

 

That said, I suspect you'll get better results with needling if the problem is

scar related, scar treatments are about the closest things to magical effects

that I have ever gotten with acupuncture.

Par

-

Pamela Zilavy

CHA

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:45 PM

pregnancy, pain, patches

 

I looked at ten different patches from ten different vendors in my dispensary

for cautions concerning usage during pregnancy. Only two included " cautionary "

remarks. I have a second trimester patient suffering from severe, constant,

radiating to the back horizontally, abdominal pain in the area of Stomach 22 on

the right only, where she has a 4 inch scar from surgery during infancy to

correct stenotic pyloric valve. Her OB agrees the pain is likely due to

subsequent adhesions. I have her on a modified Si Wu formula with added

constipation and Kidney tonifiers. However, since the Movers commonly associated

with pain treatment are contraindicated, my next thought is to try a patch. Does

anyone have opinions or suggestions on this?

I am currently trying spray on moxa and will get her feedback on this at next

appt. OB has agreed on trying superficial needles, which I will try next with a

very superficial technique, needles encircling the scar and directed away from

the scar.

Thank you,

-p

 

I do not know about patches, but try to use wheat germ oil or sesame seed oil

on the scar. Should be high quality. Long term use - months. Buy in

capsules,oils go rancid quickly. Alexander Zide L.Ac.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Pamela,

 

A castor oil pack is something you make. It consists of castor oil, available

at most health food stores, gauze, plastic wrap, and a heat source.

 

First, place a piece of plastic wrap much larger than you will need on a flat

surface. Place 2-3 gauze pads, enough to cover the area you want to treat, in

the center of the plastic wrap. Dribble a small amount of castor oil on the

gauze. Fold the edges of the plastic wrap up around the edges of the gauze, to

make it easy to handle. Place the whole thing on the area to be treated, with

the plastic wrap facing you. Then place a towel over the plastic wrap, and

finally, a heat source over the towel. The heat source may be a hydrocollator

pad, heating pad, microwaveable heat source, or hot rocks. Leave in place 15-30

minutes, and check frequently to make sure the heat is not too hot for your

patient - you want it warm, not hot.

 

One of my teachers' secrets for removing the oil from the skin afterwards, is to

use baby wipes. They work like a charm. If you do not adequately remove the

oil, the skin will be uncomfortably very sticky and the oil will stain your

patients' clothes. (It is hard to wash out, which is the reason for using the

plastic wrap). You might hand the baby wipes to your patient so they can remove

the oil to their satisfaction.

 

Have fun with this. It's a little messy until you get the hang of it. I love

to use it to soften " edgy " livers of patients with considerably stagnant and

irritable livers.

 

 

 

Pamela Zilavy <chexin wrote:

Thanks Par for your thought process, esp regarding the comparative difference in

first trimester internal abortifaceants vs second tri external herbs.

Got the outward needling technique in school. After the tx pt felt no pain for

the first time in weeks. I did not encircle the scar tho, only cephalically in 3

rows of 10blue seirins beginning a couple mm above the scar. I had her apply

herbal patches a couple hours after tx: Safflower, Dragon's blood, frankincense,

myrrh, sparganiu, zedoary, Gleditsia Thom, Speranskia, Gan Cao and Borneol (no

dosages given). We'l see how long the effects last.

Alexander I'm not so concerned about the scar, but about the adhesions below. I

massaged quite deeply to begin to break up, then did needles.

Andrea, do you have a vendor name for castor oil packs? I have heard of this

but not tried it yet.

Thanks everyone.

-p

Pamela Zilavy, L.Ac.

chexin

http://www.change-exchange-interchange.com

415) 279-8376

 

The two scar protocols I'm familiar with both needle obliquely towards the

scar, is this another approach?

 

I don't know if this is helpful, but there are two schools of thought about

topical application, one being that things applied to the surface effect the

inside the same as if taken internally. This would apply to supplementation

using the navel and other spots. The other attitude was that things worked

somewhat differently on the surface. Of course, reflecting on the external

materia medica one can see that many toxic substances were applied to the

surface of the body with impunity, and many internal herbs were used externally

with quite different attitudes. All that is to say that I doubt the small amount

of patch herbs are going to effect a second trimester pregnancy when it would

take a fairly concerted effort to induce an abortion in the first trimester with

internal herbs, provided the patient is otherwise healthy.

 

That said, I suspect you'll get better results with needling if the problem is

scar related, scar treatments are about the closest things to magical effects

that I have ever gotten with acupuncture.

Par

-

Pamela Zilavy

CHA

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:45 PM

pregnancy, pain, patches

 

I looked at ten different patches from ten different vendors in my dispensary

for cautions concerning usage during pregnancy. Only two included " cautionary "

remarks. I have a second trimester patient suffering from severe, constant,

radiating to the back horizontally, abdominal pain in the area of Stomach 22 on

the right only, where she has a 4 inch scar from surgery during infancy to

correct stenotic pyloric valve. Her OB agrees the pain is likely due to

subsequent adhesions. I have her on a modified Si Wu formula with added

constipation and Kidney tonifiers. However, since the Movers commonly associated

with pain treatment are contraindicated, my next thought is to try a patch. Does

anyone have opinions or suggestions on this?

I am currently trying spray on moxa and will get her feedback on this at next

appt. OB has agreed on trying superficial needles, which I will try next with a

very superficial technique, needles encircling the scar and directed away from

the scar.

Thank you,

-p

 

I do not know about patches, but try to use wheat germ oil or sesame seed oil

on the scar. Should be high quality. Long term use - months. Buy in

capsules,oils go rancid quickly. Alexander Zide L.Ac.