Any property info on Jiaogulan?

[Guest guest]

Hi folks!!

 

Does anyone have any info on the TCM properties and/or drug interactions of

 

Scientific Name: Gynostemma

Other Names: Amachazuru, Gynostemma pentaphyllum, Miracle Grass, Southern

Ginseng,

Vitis pentaphyllum, Xianxao

??????

 

I found an article in the Mayway news letter by Michael Blumert that says this

herb is not

included in the standard pharmacoepia but that practitioner in China has

described it as

sweet, slightly bitter, neutral, slightly warm, enhancing yin and supporting

Yang. It is,

apparently, adaptogenic.

 

He also says it is listed in the Dictionary of Chinese Materia Medica ( which I,

of course,

don't have).

 

Some sources claim that it has twice the saponins (82 gypenosides) of ren shen.

 

Among the many functions touted by various manufacturers is that of increased

cardiac

ejection fraction (+13%) in patients with low eject. frac.

 

Any comments??

Bob??

 

thx,

w.w.

[Guest guest]

There are several PUB_MED studies on Gynostemma. I just bought some Gynostemma

tea (in tea bags) in China town last week. Dr Hu at Yo San Univ. told me it can

be used to lower cholesterol. Just google pub-med or go to the national library

of health web site.

Bonnie Roesger RN; from YoSan

---- waldropeww <dr.w.w.waldrope wrote:

> Hi folks!!

>

> Does anyone have any info on the TCM properties and/or drug interactions of

>

> Scientific Name: Gynostemma

> Other Names: Amachazuru, Gynostemma pentaphyllum, Miracle Grass, Southern

Ginseng,

> Vitis pentaphyllum, Xianxao

> ??????

>

> I found an article in the Mayway news letter by Michael Blumert that says this

herb is not

> included in the standard pharmacoepia but that practitioner in China has

described it as

> sweet, slightly bitter, neutral, slightly warm, enhancing yin and supporting

Yang. It is,

> apparently, adaptogenic.

>

> He also says it is listed in the Dictionary of Chinese Materia Medica ( which

I, of course,

> don't have).

>

> Some sources claim that it has twice the saponins (82 gypenosides) of ren

shen.

>

> Among the many functions touted by various manufacturers is that of increased

cardiac

> ejection fraction (+13%) in patients with low eject. frac.

>

> Any comments??

> Bob??

>

> thx,

> w.w.

>

[Guest guest]

---- waldropeww <dr.w.w.waldrope wrote:

> > Hi folks!!

> >

> > Does anyone have any info on the TCM properties and/or drug

interactions of

> >

> > Scientific Name: Gynostemma

 

The format may be messed up, tone marks may display poorly, sorry

about that.

 

Boosts q¨¬ and fortifies the spleen: Spleen vacuity patterns.

Ji¨£o g¨³ l¨¢n is used to treat spleen-stomach q¨¬ vacuity with signs

such as fatigue, lack of strength, and reduced eating. It also

engenders liquid and allays thirst, so it is suitable when damage to

spleen-stomach q¨¬ and y¨©n causes dry throat and heart vexation. Here,

it may be combined with medicinals such as sh¨¡ sh¨¥n (Adenophorae seu

Glehniae Radix) and sh¨¡n y¨¤o (Dioscoreae Rhizoma).

 

Transforms phlegm and suppresses cough: Lung vacuity cough.

In addition to transforming phlegm and suppressing cough, ji¨£o g¨³ l¨¢n

boosts lung q¨¬ and clears lung heat. It is often used for dual

vacuity of q¨¬ and y¨©n with dryness-heat in the lung, accompanied by

cough and sticky phlegm. For this purpose, combine with chu¨¡n b¨¨i m¨³

(Fritillariae Cirrhosae Bulbus) and b¨£i h¨¦ (Lilii Bulbus).

 

Lung q¨¬ vacuity with exuberant phlegm-damp, manifesting in cough with

profuse phlegm: Com-bine with b¨¤n xi¨¤ (Pinelliae Rhizoma) and ch¨¦n p¨ª

(Citri Reticulatae Pericarpium).

 

Clears heat and resolves toxin: Heat toxin.

Ji¨£o g¨³ l¨¢n may be used for a variety of conditions that are caused

by heat toxin, including sores, armpit odor, and tumors.

 

Dosage and Method of Use

10¨C30 g in decoctions. It may also be infused as a tea or swallowed

as a powder. If taken as a powder, each dose should be 3¨C6 g. Ji¨£o g¨³

l¨¢n was traditionally used rela-tively infrequently in Chinese

medicine, and was seldom ascribed supplementing properties. However,

the discovery of ginsenosides (the active constituents in ginseng)

within the plant has given rise to a new range of use and popularity.

It remains relatively uncommon in clinical Chinese medicine, but it

is presented in this text because it is an increasingly common

supplement in both Eastern and Western nations.

 

WARNING: A small number of patients experience side effects after

taking ji¨£o g¨³ l¨¢n. Reactions include nausea, vomiting, abdominal

distention, diarrhea or constipation, dizziness, flowery vision, and

tinnitus.

 

Eric Brand

[Guest guest]

Hi Wes -

 

Chinese Medical Herbology and Pharmacology by Chen & Chen has information on

Jiao Gu Lan that is somewhat contradictory to what you have listed, i.e.

slightly bitter and cold as opposed to sweet, neutral and slightly warm. Take

care -

 

Kim Blankenship

 

 

QiArt wrote:

There are several PUB_MED studies on Gynostemma. I just bought some

Gynostemma tea (in tea bags) in China town last week. Dr Hu at Yo San Univ. told

me it can be used to lower cholesterol. Just google pub-med or go to the

national library of health web site.

Bonnie Roesger RN; from YoSan

---- waldropeww <dr.w.w.waldrope wrote:

> Hi folks!!

>

> Does anyone have any info on the TCM properties and/or drug interactions of

>

> Scientific Name: Gynostemma

> Other Names: Amachazuru, Gynostemma pentaphyllum, Miracle Grass, Southern

Ginseng,

> Vitis pentaphyllum, Xianxao

> ??????

>

> I found an article in the Mayway news letter by Michael Blumert that says this

herb is not

> included in the standard pharmacoepia but that practitioner in China has

described it as

> sweet, slightly bitter, neutral, slightly warm, enhancing yin and supporting

Yang. It is,

> apparently, adaptogenic.

>

> He also says it is listed in the Dictionary of Chinese Materia Medica ( which

I, of course,

> don't have).

>

> Some sources claim that it has twice the saponins (82 gypenosides) of ren

shen.

>

> Among the many functions touted by various manufacturers is that of increased

cardiac

> ejection fraction (+13%) in patients with low eject. frac.

>

> Any comments??

> Bob??

>

> thx,

> w.w.

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It loooks good as encoded as GB 2312 and you can get the tone marks as well.

Look in the

view part of your web browser.

 

 

 

> The format may be messed up, tone marks may display poorly, sorry

> about that.

 

> > Eric Brand

>

[Guest guest]

I've noticed what seems to be two different types of Jiaogulan

products. When I order it bulk from distributers such as Mayway,

Nuherbs, or Asia Natural it is very bitter with an almost unpalatable

taste. But when it's purchased in as a product in tea bags from

Asian markets or Dragon Herbs it's very sweet with almost no

bitterness. Does anyone know if these are the same herb, or possibly

different parts of the same herb? Both kinds say Gynostemma with no

other additives. Interesting, no?

 

-Danny Johnson L.Ac.

www.santacruzacupuncture.com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, kim blankenship

<kuangguiyu wrote:

>

> Hi Wes -

>

> Chinese Medical Herbology and Pharmacology by Chen & Chen has

information on Jiao Gu Lan that is somewhat contradictory to what you

have listed, i.e. slightly bitter and cold as opposed to sweet,

neutral and slightly warm. Take care -

 

Sorry, I forgot to post the nature and flavor: NATURE AND FLAVOR:

Sweet, bitter; cold.

CHANNEL ENTRY: Spleen, lung.

 

Jiao gu lan (aka qi ye dan) was traditionally used for clearing

heat. If my memory serves, the zhong yao da ci dian (written in 1975

or so) doesn't even mention supplementing properties, just heat-

clearing toxin-resolving etc. It is basically a new development that

jiao gu lan became a fashionable tonic; this is because it was

recently discovered to be a cheap source of ginsenosides. We've had

discussions of it in the past on CHA, you might check the archives.

 

Anyway, the original post mentioned warming qualities and yang-

supplementing effects- my Chinese sources don't agree with that.

Heat-clearing is emphasized, so the cold nature seems to fit better.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

FDA warning letter on Jiaogulan

 

http://www.fda.gov/cder/warn/cyber/2002/CFSANjagulana.htm

 

Ed Kasper LAc. & family

www.HappyHerbalist.com

Santa Cruz, CA

[Guest guest]

Hello!

 

I use Jiao gu lan (AKA the J herb) quite a bit in my equine herbal

practice. I have a short article on my web site geared more toward the

horse owner but the info on nitric oxide applies to humans as well. I

use it quit a bit with tendon injuries, laminitis and with insulin

resistance/neuropathies

Just for fun see:

http://www.wholehorse.com/articles/laminitis_article.htm

 

Be well!!

 

gloria

[Guest guest]

Dear Folks,

 

Thanks everyone for the info...

 

This sounds like an interesting herb that has a lot of possibilities

for tcm docs.

I will check out the suggested sources. If I find any other useful

info, I will post it.

 

Thanks again all !!

 

www

[Guest guest]

Eddy and All,

 

I read the warning letter from the FDA to Michael Blumert regarding

his website about jiaogulan. It appears that their concern was

non-compliance with DSHEA rules relative to the standard disclaimer

that we are all now familiar with. Although this letter was sent back

in 2002 (and Michael now has the appropriate disclaimer on his

website), this brings forth concerns about possible future changes in

FDA guidelines and rules regarding the regulation of supplements and

herbs vis this country's implementation of CODEX.

see this website for information on CODEX...

 

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php

 

We need to be having a discussion about this. Implementation of CODEX

could RADICALLY alter our ability to obtain and prescribe herbs.

 

I urge everyone to investigate this issue. I have been surprised by

the lack of concern about this from suppliers, purveyors and

practitioners.

My personal feeling is that TCM is under a low profile assault from

Big Pharma and the FDA.

 

dr.w

[Guest guest]

David Winston and Steven Maimes have a good monograph on Jiaogulan in

their new (and highly recommended) book Adaptogens. (Healing Arts Press).

 

There are two jiaogulans, one hong and the other qing. I have had the

green one fresh which was not bitter and in fact slightly sweet. I have

only had the red one dried, so cannot directly compare. And the red

version I got from Spring Wind was short on leaf material and long on

stems which may make a difference.

 

--

Karen Vaughan, MSTOM

Licensed Acupuncturist, and Herbalist

253 Garfield Place

Brooklyn, NY 11215

 

(718) 622-6755

 

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See my Acupuncture and Herbalism website

at:http://www.byregion.net/profiles/ksvaughan2.html

 

 

" When you are in doubt, be still, and wait. When doubt no longer exists for you,

then go forward with courage. So long as mists envelop you, be still. Be still

until the sunlight pours through and dispels the mists -- as it surely will.

Then act with courage " White Eagle

[Guest guest]

That is a standard FDA " courtesy letter " that they send to companies

who are making drug claims or disease claims. If the company removes

the claims from their web site or labeling, the FDA leaves them alone.

 

- Bill Schoenbart

 

 

, " Happy Herbalist "

<eddy wrote:

>

> FDA warning letter on Jiaogulan

>

> http://www.fda.gov/cder/warn/cyber/2002/CFSANjagulana.htm

>

> Ed Kasper LAc. & family

> www.HappyHerbalist.com

> Santa Cruz, CA

>

[Guest guest]

It is with great reluctance that I let the Codex discussion on to CHA.

I've not allowed the current round of Codex discussions on here and I

will not hesitate to delete messages that are not measured and come

from the heart and not anti-Codex lobbyists. Z'ev, I believe the

President of PCOM has made a statement about this. If you could post

that I would be grateful.

 

 

(I did watch the Natural Solutions Foundation speech given by Dr.

Laibow and was not impressed. Of greater interest to me is the CAFTA

trade agreement which is more like what has happened in Europe as I

understand it.)

 

As to the FDA warning letter, this is a seperate concern. Those that

sell herbs had better be clear about the laws. I know Al Stone has

been working on a great little on-line CEU class about herb labeling

and the FDA. The labeling issue has stopped me from selling my HepC

formula to the general public or on the internet.

 

 

Contrary arguments to the current Anti-Codex lobby can be found at

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-beware.htm

http://www.naturalproductsassoc.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ic_codex_FAQ

 

doug

 

 

, " Dr. W. W. Waldrope DOM AP "

<dr.w.w.waldrope wrote:

>

> Eddy and All,

>

> I read the warning letter from the FDA to Michael Blumert regarding

> his website about jiaogulan. It appears that their concern was

> non-compliance with DSHEA rules relative to the standard disclaimer

> that we are all now familiar with. Although this letter was sent back

> in 2002 (and Michael now has the appropriate disclaimer on his

> website), this brings forth concerns about possible future changes in

> FDA guidelines and rules regarding the regulation of supplements and

> herbs vis this country's implementation of CODEX.

> see this website for information on CODEX...

>

> http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php

>

> We need to be having a discussion about this. Implementation of CODEX

> could RADICALLY alter our ability to obtain and prescribe herbs.

>

> I urge everyone to investigate this issue. I have been surprised by

> the lack of concern about this from suppliers, purveyors and

> practitioners.

> My personal feeling is that TCM is under a low profile assault from

> Big Pharma and the FDA.

>

> dr.w

>

[Guest guest]

Doug,

While I don't really understand your reluctance to allow a discussion

about codex and it's ramifications for herbalists, I take your point

on codex. I looked at most of the info at the two links you provided

and am reasonably assured that codex may not be the problem many say

that it is. However, if we look at the amicus link

 

www.naturalproductsassoc.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ic_amicus

 

from the NPA, we can still see some evidence that the FDA is no friend

to herbal medicine. I believe it is important that we all make it a

point to protect our pharmacoepia from being usurped, undermined

and/or truncated by the FDA-Big Pharma cabal. As a group, we are not

particularly confrontational (I'm sure we would all rather devote our

time and energy to practicing our profession) but the past (vis ma

huang) has shown us that we need to be vigilent in protecting TCM.

 

 

Thanks for the illumination,

dr.w

[Guest guest]

Doug,

I am not aware of any statements on Codex from Jack Miller at

PCOM, he did issue a statement of policy on pirating of textbooks on

DVD's and CD-Roms a few months ago.

 

 

On Apr 22, 2007, at 4:39 PM, wrote:

 

> It is with great reluctance that I let the Codex discussion on to CHA.

> I've not allowed the current round of Codex discussions on here and I

> will not hesitate to delete messages that are not measured and come

> from the heart and not anti-Codex lobbyists. Z'ev, I believe the

> President of PCOM has made a statement about this. If you could post

> that I would be grateful.

>

> (I did watch the Natural Solutions Foundation speech given by Dr.

> Laibow and was not impressed. Of greater interest to me is the CAFTA

> trade agreement which is more like what has happened in Europe as I

> understand it.)

>

> As to the FDA warning letter, this is a seperate concern. Those that

> sell herbs had better be clear about the laws. I know Al Stone has

> been working on a great little on-line CEU class about herb labeling

> and the FDA. The labeling issue has stopped me from selling my HepC

> formula to the general public or on the internet.

>

> Contrary arguments to the current Anti-Codex lobby can be found at

> http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-

> beware.htm

> http://www.naturalproductsassoc.org/site/PageServer?

> pagename=ic_codex_FAQ

>

> doug

>

> , " Dr. W. W. Waldrope DOM AP "

> <dr.w.w.waldrope wrote:

> >

> > Eddy and All,

> >

> > I read the warning letter from the FDA to Michael Blumert regarding

> > his website about jiaogulan. It appears that their concern was

> > non-compliance with DSHEA rules relative to the standard disclaimer

> > that we are all now familiar with. Although this letter was sent

> back

> > in 2002 (and Michael now has the appropriate disclaimer on his

> > website), this brings forth concerns about possible future

> changes in

> > FDA guidelines and rules regarding the regulation of supplements and

> > herbs vis this country's implementation of CODEX.

> > see this website for information on CODEX...

> >

> > http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php

> >

> > We need to be having a discussion about this. Implementation of

> CODEX

> > could RADICALLY alter our ability to obtain and prescribe herbs.

> >

> > I urge everyone to investigate this issue. I have been surprised by

> > the lack of concern about this from suppliers, purveyors and

> > practitioners.

> > My personal feeling is that TCM is under a low profile assault from

> > Big Pharma and the FDA.

> >

> > dr.w

> >

>

>

>