Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 In 2003, the FDA published a proposed rule that would alter the requirements for current Good Manufacturing Practices (cGMP) for dietary supplements. The category of dietary supplements includes herbs. This proposed rule defines individual herbalists (who compound herbal formulas for individual patients) as manufacturers, small entities who are subject to the rule. It is already well established that interstate commerce includes herbal formulas only sold in one State, but composed of ingredients from other States or countries. The FDA estimates first year compliance costs for small entities at $62,000. Put all those facts together, and the result is plain: the legal practice of in-office herbal compounding will no longer be financially viable, if the proposed rule is enacted as written. Last I checked, the proposed rule was still on hold at Office of Management & Budget, presumably by request of the Executive Branch. The proposed rule, when released, goes to Congress for approval, and then needs to get the signature of the President. Note that only major agency rules must go through Congressional approval, and that only one such rule has been defeated in Congress in the past decade. You would imagine that this proposed rule would be a matter of concern in the Oriental Medicine world. However, our national associations only responded to the FDA at the very end of the comment period, providing little of substance. And then the matter seems to have fallen off the radar. There has been a move (by the Traditional Medicines Congress) to create a new regulatory framework for traditional medicines such as herbs. But that seems like a diversion, a very long term project that has no impact on the proposed rule. I've been trying to get AAAOM to respond to this issue for a couple of months, and it appears that they will be publishing a statement on it. They recently refused to publish my article on the subject in American Acupuncturist, and so I have posted it on my own web site (http://www.convergentmedical.com, under News Desk). The refusal was based on " clarity of policy " ...whatever that means. Perhaps AAAOM wants to put their own spin on it, and would rather not have my perspective available to their members. We shall see. In any event, dealing with the proposed rule requires a well focused and consistent national effort. It is a project that does require the participation of AAAOM and its members. So I can only hope that AAAOM charts a clear and functional response, and sets to it with a will. And I hope that you will become informed about this issue, and will also contribute to its resolution. The impact of the proposed rule is so great...yet we have been expending our political resources dealing with single-herb issues such as ephedra! Best Regards, David Kailin, Ph.D., M.P.H., L.Ac. Author, Quality In Complementary & Alternative Medicine http://www.convergentmedical.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Dear Folks, UNBELIEVABLE dr.w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 The AAAOM has just published (May 4, 2007) a position paper on the FDA Proposed Rule on cGMP for Dietary Supplements. I presume you have received it directly by email from them, and will not reiterate it in whole. Suffice it to say that to the extent AAAOM has failed to correctly comprehend the Proposed Rule, mounting an effective response to prevent it from being enacted is pretty much out of the question for the Oriental Medicine profession. This is indeed regrettable. Here is the response I sent AAAOM: The AAAOM Position Paper on FDA cGMP for Dietary Supplements states the following: " Only herb manufacturers and distributors have to comply with GMPs, not AOM practitioners or school pharmacies, who obtain herb supplies from them. " This is not what the FDA Proposed Rule states, as clearly presented in the Federal Register of March 13, 2003 (68FR12157), pages 12175-6: " One comment to the ANPRM, relating to the scope of the CGMPs, requested an exemption from the CGMP for " herbalist " practitioners who individually manufacture dietary supplements for their clients. We decline to exempt herbalist practitioners from the proposed rule. If an herbalist practitioner introduces or delivers for introduction into interstate commerce, a dietary ingredient or dietary supplement, that practitioner must use the same good manufacturing practices as other manufacturers to ensure that their clients receive dietary supplements that are not adulterated. " " Herbalist practitioners who introduce or deliver for introduction into interstate commerce, a dietary ingredient or dietary supplement, are manufacturers who must meet CGMPs. " Note that an herbal formula composed of products from other States or countries thereby meets the FDA definition of an article of interstate commerce, even if it is then sold in only one State and sold to only one person. For chapter and verse, refer to FDA Compliance Policy Guide 7153.11. See http://www.fda.gov/ora/compliance_ref/cpg/cpggenl/cpg100-200.html AAAOM's current and long term failure to comprehend the FDA Proposed Rule has led to a lack of appropriate responses. The FDA estimates the first year cost of compliance for small entities at $62,000. This will effectively bring in-office herbal compounding to an end. I have posted a more extensive article on the topic, under the News Desk heading, at http://www.convergentmedical.com Best Regards, David Kailin, Ph.D., M.P.H., L.Ac. Author, Quality In Complementary & Alternative Medicine http://www.convergentmedical.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 , " convergentmedical " <kailin wrote: >Suffice it to say that to the extent AAAOM has failed to > correctly comprehend the Proposed Rule, mounting an effective response > to prevent it from being enacted is pretty much out of the question > for the Oriental Medicine profession. This is indeed regrettable. I am a bit confused here. If I mix up an herbal formula in my office, and my patient buys it from me in my office and then goes home in the same city with that formula, is this interstate commerce? If it isn't then I am not sure how the rule would apply to me. Brian C. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Dear Brian Allen, If the herbs were all grown and supplied to you from within your State, and you then supply them to patients in your State, you would not be engaging in interstate commerce. If the herbs come from other States or countries, and you supply them to patients in your State, then you would be engaging in interstate commerce, as defined by FDA. And then the cGMP rule would apply to you. Thanks for your request for clarification! David Kailin, Ph.D., M.P.H., L.Ac. Author, Quality In Complementary & Alternative Medicine http://www.convergentmedical.com > > I am a bit confused here. If I mix up an herbal formula in my office, > and my patient buys it from me in my office and then goes home in the > same city with that formula, is this interstate commerce? If it isn't > then I am not sure how the rule would apply to me. > > Brian C. Allen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 This means that one can only sell sealed, unopened packages of herbal medicines manufactured in GMP plants. Is that correct by your reading? I've seen a clean room at Lian-China Herb in Switzerland where Simon Becker works. That company puts together individually written prescriptions from single herb extracts and then overnights them to patients. Definitely an expensive proposition that would be out of the question for most, if not all, American L.Ac.s dispensing formulas made from singles. Looks like we might have to adopt the Taimwanese model of prescribing. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Dear Bob Flaws, If the proposed rule is enacted as written, then the practitioner with an in-office compounding herbal pharmacy will either have to comply with the new cGMP rule (at prohibitive expense), or close the in-office herbal pharmacy and find another avenue to supply custom herbal prescriptions. As you point out, there are herbal pharmacies that have the capacity to comply with the FDA proposed rule for cGMP, and have the capacity to expeditiously prepare and ship individual herbal prescriptions they receive from herbalists. We can expect more expensive herbs for patients as one result of this arrangement, as well as the prospering of those herbal pharmacies with the size and capability to tap this market. You are probably correct about sales of sealed, unopened packages from cGMP-compliant sources. Best Regards, David Kailin, Ph.D., M.P.H., L.Ac. Author, Quality In Complementary & Alternative Medicine http://www.convergentmedical.com , " Bob Flaws " <pemachophel2001 wrote: > > This means that one can only sell sealed, unopened packages of herbal > medicines manufactured in GMP plants. Is that correct by your reading? > > I've seen a clean room at Lian-China Herb in Switzerland where Simon > Becker works. That company puts together individually written > prescriptions from single herb extracts and then overnights them to > patients. Definitely an expensive proposition that would be out of the > question for most, if not all, American L.Ac.s dispensing formulas > made from singles. > > Looks like we might have to adopt the Taimwanese model of prescribing. > > Bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 , " convergentmedical " <kailin wrote: >Dear David, This seems pretty clear to me as well. I have also requested an explanation from aaom regarding their rationale. Regards, dr.w > The AAAOM has just published (May 4, 2007) a position paper on the FDA > Proposed Rule on cGMP for Dietary Supplements. I presume you have > received it directly by email from them, and will not reiterate it in > whole. Suffice it to say that to the extent AAAOM has failed to > correctly comprehend the Proposed Rule, mounting an effective response > to prevent it from being enacted is pretty much out of the question > for the Oriental Medicine profession. This is indeed regrettable. > > Here is the response I sent AAAOM: > > The AAAOM Position Paper on FDA cGMP for Dietary Supplements states > the following: " Only herb manufacturers and distributors have to > comply with GMPs, not AOM practitioners or school pharmacies, who > obtain herb supplies from them. " > > This is not what the FDA Proposed Rule states, as clearly presented in > the Federal Register of March 13, 2003 (68FR12157), pages 12175-6: > > " One comment to the ANPRM, relating to the scope of the CGMPs, > requested an exemption from the CGMP for " herbalist " practitioners who > individually manufacture dietary supplements for their clients. We > decline to exempt herbalist practitioners from the proposed rule. If > an herbalist practitioner introduces or delivers for introduction into > interstate commerce, a dietary ingredient or dietary supplement, that > practitioner must use the same good manufacturing practices as other > manufacturers to ensure that their clients receive dietary supplements > that are not adulterated. " > > " Herbalist practitioners who introduce or deliver for introduction > into interstate commerce, a dietary ingredient or dietary supplement, > are manufacturers who must meet CGMPs. " > > Note that an herbal formula composed of products from other States or > countries thereby meets the FDA definition of an article of interstate > commerce, even if it is then sold in only one State and sold to only > one person. For chapter and verse, refer to FDA Compliance Policy > Guide 7153.11. See > http://www.fda.gov/ora/compliance_ref/cpg/cpggenl/cpg100-200.html > > AAAOM's current and long term failure to comprehend the FDA Proposed > Rule has led to a lack of appropriate responses. The FDA estimates the > first year cost of compliance for small entities at $62,000. This will > effectively bring in-office herbal compounding to an end. > > I have posted a more extensive article on the topic, under the News > Desk heading, at http://www.convergentmedical.com > > > Best Regards, > > David Kailin, Ph.D., M.P.H., L.Ac. > Author, Quality In Complementary & Alternative Medicine > http://www.convergentmedical.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Dear Dr. Waldrope, You had requested more information on how to approach OMB with respect to the FDA proposed rule on cGMP for Dietary Supplements. This is not an approach that should be undertaken by individual proponents of any measure under OMB review. This avenue is more appropriate for national organizations that pack some clout. Largely in response to my urging, the Council of Colleges of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (CCAOM) did submit an excellent letter to OMB on February 28, 2007. CCAOM (unlike AAAOM) understands that individual herbalists and acupuncture colleges will be sorely impacted by the proposed rule. Let me emphasize that approaching OMB is a small but important action in the campaign that is needed. But if AAAOM, as the national practitioners organization, is not on board, then the campaign is probably over and lost before it has been begun. The most pressing question then is how AAAOM members can move AAAOM to reverse its policy and effectively protect the interests of Oriental Medicine herbal practitioners. That does not seem like too much to ask of a dues-charging national association. Best Regards, David Kailin, Ph.D., M.P.H., L.Ac. Author, Quality In Complementary & Alternative Medicine http://www.convergentmedical.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Dear David, Thanks so much for your time and effort. Your info and advice have been very helpful. ...really sad about aaaom. I, for one, will voice my concerns to them. Thanks again, dr.w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 The FDA Final Rule entitled Current Good Manufacturing Practice in Manufacturing, Packing, or Holding Dietary Ingredients and Dietary Supplements was released by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) on 5/8/07 after a lengthy stay. The FDA is now preparing to publish the Final Rule in the Federal Register. No one outside of FDA and OMB has had access to the language of the Final Rule. CCAOM comprehends that the Proposed Rule includes individual herbalists and college herbal pharmacies. CCAOM President Lixin Huang submitted an excellent letter to OMB on February 28, 2007, raising many key issues with the Proposed Rule. At the recent New Orleans conference, CCAOM also hosted an eye-opening presentation on compliance issues for colleges. On the basis of AAAOM's 5/4/07 policy statement, and their additional response today, AAAOM apparently is not on the same page as CCAOM. If this were just a matter of divergent opinions, we could all let it slide. But a great deal rests on correct comprehension of the Proposed Rule, and then the Final Rule. There are also some stark political realities to consider. Could we effectively fight this rule without AAAOM being on board? Could we effectively fight this rule even with AAAOM on board? Does AAAOM have the organizational capacity to run a successful national grass-roots Congressional lobbying campaign? Furthermore, note that we do not have many allies in the herbal products industry. Many of the larger herbal companies want the rule, and they can exercise significant countervailing political and financial clout. Lastly, the FDA has powerful friends on the Democratic side of the aisle, such as Sen. Kennedy. After some pondering of the matter, I frankly do not see an opposition campaign as having much of a chance of prevailing. We're probably going to have to live with the Final Rule, no matter what it says. We will soon see what the Final Rule has to say, and will then discuss its meaning at greater length. Time will tell whether AAAOM or CCAOM correctly comprehends the Proposed Rule. Best Regards, David Kailin, Ph.D., M.P.H., L.Ac. Author, Quality In Complementary & Alternative Medicine Convergent Medical Systems, Inc. P.O. Box 2115 Corvallis, OR 97339 http://www.convergentmedical.com , " convergentmedical " <kailin wrote: > > The AAAOM has just published (May 4, 2007) a position paper on the FDA > Proposed Rule on cGMP for Dietary Supplements. I presume you have > received it directly by email from them, and will not reiterate it in > whole. Suffice it to say that to the extent AAAOM has failed to > correctly comprehend the Proposed Rule, mounting an effective response > to prevent it from being enacted is pretty much out of the question > for the Oriental Medicine profession. This is indeed regrettable. > > Here is the response I sent AAAOM: > > The AAAOM Position Paper on FDA cGMP for Dietary Supplements states > the following: " Only herb manufacturers and distributors have to > comply with GMPs, not AOM practitioners or school pharmacies, who > obtain herb supplies from them. " > > This is not what the FDA Proposed Rule states, as clearly presented in > the Federal Register of March 13, 2003 (68FR12157), pages 12175-6: > > " One comment to the ANPRM, relating to the scope of the CGMPs, > requested an exemption from the CGMP for " herbalist " practitioners who > individually manufacture dietary supplements for their clients. We > decline to exempt herbalist practitioners from the proposed rule. If > an herbalist practitioner introduces or delivers for introduction into > interstate commerce, a dietary ingredient or dietary supplement, that > practitioner must use the same good manufacturing practices as other > manufacturers to ensure that their clients receive dietary supplements > that are not adulterated. " > > " Herbalist practitioners who introduce or deliver for introduction > into interstate commerce, a dietary ingredient or dietary supplement, > are manufacturers who must meet CGMPs. " > > Note that an herbal formula composed of products from other States or > countries thereby meets the FDA definition of an article of interstate > commerce, even if it is then sold in only one State and sold to only > one person. For chapter and verse, refer to FDA Compliance Policy > Guide 7153.11. See > http://www.fda.gov/ora/compliance_ref/cpg/cpggenl/cpg100-200.html > > AAAOM's current and long term failure to comprehend the FDA Proposed > Rule has led to a lack of appropriate responses. The FDA estimates the > first year cost of compliance for small entities at $62,000. This will > effectively bring in-office herbal compounding to an end. > > I have posted a more extensive article on the topic, under the News > Desk heading, at http://www.convergentmedical.com > > > Best Regards, > > David Kailin, Ph.D., M.P.H., L.Ac. > Author, Quality In Complementary & Alternative Medicine > http://www.convergentmedical.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 David, Thanks again for your efforts. I can understand why some suppliers would support this rule. I cannot understand the position taken by aaaom. Are they afraid of waking the dragon? Are they co-opted? The final language, I suppose, will tell all. I must, however, urge everyone to realize the potential negative impact of this rule. Even if you don't compound formulas in your office, TCM suffers in general from such a rule. Can anyone imagine attending a school without an herbal pharmacy where students have the opportunity to see, touch, smell, feel and " absorb " the essence of these precious materials??? A concerted grass roots effort to make sure that our rights to practice traditional herbal medicine are protected might fail, but if nothing is done I am convinced that TCM will suffer a blow to its credibility and ability to provide the care and support to our patients that we all know TCM is capable of. Here is a portion of an email from Leslie Mcgee that I received in response to my query as to aaaom's position on the cgmp rule: " ...This GMP regulation is quite complex and there are differences of opinion as to its significance to us. I am in New Orleans this week, and Christine Chang, Will Morris, and Corinne Axelrod (all AAAOM board members) will be attending the workshop with Cindy Beehner, sponsored by the CCAOM. We look forward to learning more and adjusting our strategy as warranted. Thanks for your time and interest in our shared goals of maintaining our right to use Chinese herbs. " Sounds good on the surface... we will just have to see. dr.w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Dear Dr. Waldrope, You inquire about why AAAOM has taken its particular position on the Proposed Rule. That is an interesting question. Our national organizations have been relatively disengaged with the FDA throughout the 12 years of this rulemaking process. That has contributed to the current lack of comprehension, and to the serious jam we're in. There may be differences of opinion as to whether the Proposed Rule exempts individual herbalists. But either it does, or it doesn't. That is to say, there is only one correct answer here. AAAOM has failed to cite a single regulatory text in support of their position. And they have failed to refute the citations that contradict their position. The Proposed Rule clearly does not exempt individual herbal practitioners. OMB released its hold on the Rule 5/8/07. Now its back in the hands of FDA. The Final Rule is being prepared for publication in the Federal Register. No one outside FDA will have access to it until it is published. If the Final Rule exempts individual herbalists, we'll be off the hook. We have no control over the outcome, and can only wait. I'll let the forum know when the Final Rule is published, and whether it exempts individual herbal practitioners. Best Regards, David Kailin, Ph.D., M.P.H., L.Ac. Author, Quality In Complementary & Alternative Medicine http://www.convergentmedical.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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