Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I've successfully treated clients for alcohol withdrawal symptoms using Western skullcap (scutellaria lateriflora). Alcohol withdrawal has similar issues as sugar detox-withdrawal. It is easier to treat alcoholics who have or are consuming alcohol without added sugar and made only from whole fruit or ideally whole grain -- switch to sake for instance. Have them take pueraria powder and/or equivalent of a dry powdered extract say the usual 2 " 00 " sized capsules along with 2 " 00 " sized capsules of Western skullcap. Skullcap can be loaded inititially to stop or lessen withdrawal symptoms. Pueraria (Ge Geng) has a few both animal and human studies substantiating that even if someone does not want to stop alcohol taking gegeng (called Kuzu in Kanpo or Kudzu if you live in Southeastern afternoon 'highball' country) involuntarily will consume at least 50% less alcohol because they loose their taste for it. Of course its also good for the stomach and liver (I know its a suraface relieving lung herb but it has many broad uses and its a healthful thickener in Japanese cuisine). Western Skullcap is a well respected herb with mild sedative and nerve calming properties. It is singularly wonderfor alcohol and for that matter drug withdrawal. One of my Western herb teachers considered skullcap as literally a 'food' for the nerves. The aerial parts S. lateriflora are used by Western herbalists while in TCM the root of two scute species are used. Learning from the use of both systems: I think skullcap works by assisting the detoxi mecanisms of the liver and by so doing relieving accompanied nervous tenson and anxiety. As a single herb it does some of what the jia we xiao yao wan formula (which I'd also consider for alcohol and drug detox) does --in fact both ge geng and skullcap would be a good addition to that formula. Michael Tierra www.planetherbs.com _____ On Behalf Of David Russell, L.Ac., CMT Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:28 PM alcoholism medical rehab facilities Hello everyone, I have a patient who is in urgent need of entering a rehab facility for alcoholism. He has been an alcoholic for 40 years and a few days ago didn't have a drink for about 14 hours and began detoxing with tremors that led to seizures and hallucinations (audio and visual). He entered critical care in the hospital shortly after and has been there for about 3 days. On thursday they want to release him from the hospital and his family has asked me to put the word out to see if anyone knows of any - holistic alcohol rehab facilities. His brain cells have suffered some serious trauma and he will be in need of physical rehab as well. He has a hard time coordinating fine movements. Any suggestions for facilities would be greatly appreciated. He is located in North Carolina, but they are willing to transport him anywhere in the country. Thank you for your help, David Russell, L.Ac., CMT Russell Family Acupuncture 134 Howard Street Petaluma, CA 94952 707.773.3375 www.acuherbal.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I think this is fine that we have some alternatives for alcohol addictions. I would just remind all that the original post was for a facility to treat someone with a 40 year old addiction. I would hope that the family looking for a more holistic facility won't waste too much time looking for one without just checking their family member into any facility where it will stop him from drinking. Yes, in LA there are super, super expensive facilities with massage, acupuncture, whole foods etc... but IMHO, at the bottom level this guy needs medical attention with a well structured program. Doug , " Michael Tierra " <mtierra wrote: > > I've successfully treated clients for alcohol withdrawal symptoms using > Western skullcap (scutellaria lateriflora). Alcohol withdrawal has similar > issues as sugar detox-withdrawal. It is easier to treat alcoholics who have > or are consuming alcohol without added sugar and made only from whole fruit > or ideally whole grain -- switch to sake for instance. Have them take > pueraria powder and/or equivalent of a dry powdered extract say the usual 2 > " 00 " sized capsules along with 2 " 00 " sized capsules of Western skullcap. > Skullcap can be loaded inititially to stop or lessen withdrawal symptoms. > Pueraria (Ge Geng) has a few both animal and human studies substantiating > that even if someone does not want to stop alcohol taking gegeng (called > Kuzu in Kanpo or Kudzu if you live in Southeastern afternoon 'highball' > country) involuntarily will consume at least 50% less alcohol because they > loose their taste for it. Of course its also good for the stomach and liver > (I know its a suraface relieving lung herb but it has many broad uses and > its a healthful thickener in Japanese cuisine). > > Western Skullcap is a well respected herb with mild sedative and nerve > calming properties. It is singularly wonderfor alcohol and for that matter > drug withdrawal. One of my Western herb teachers considered skullcap as > literally a 'food' for the nerves. The aerial parts S. lateriflora are used > by Western herbalists while in TCM the root of two scute species are used. > Learning from the use of both systems: I think skullcap works by assisting > the detoxi mecanisms of the liver and by so doing relieving accompanied > nervous tenson and anxiety. As a single herb it does some of what the jia we > xiao yao wan formula (which I'd also consider for alcohol and drug detox) > does --in fact both ge geng and skullcap would be a good addition to that > formula. > > Michael Tierra > www.planetherbs.com > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of David Russell, > L.Ac., CMT > Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:28 PM > > alcoholism medical rehab facilities > > > > Hello everyone, > > I have a patient who is in urgent need of entering a rehab facility > for alcoholism. He has been an alcoholic for 40 years and a few days > ago didn't have a drink for about 14 hours and began detoxing with > tremors that led to seizures and hallucinations (audio and visual). > He entered critical care in the hospital shortly after and has been > there for about 3 days. On thursday they want to release him from the > hospital and his family has asked me to put the word out to see if > anyone knows of any - holistic alcohol rehab facilities. > His brain cells have suffered some serious trauma and he will be in > need of physical rehab as well. He has a hard time coordinating fine > movements. > > Any suggestions for facilities would be greatly appreciated. > > He is located in North Carolina, but they are willing to transport > him anywhere in the country. > > Thank you for your help, > David Russell, L.Ac., CMT > > Russell Family Acupuncture > 134 Howard Street > Petaluma, CA 94952 > 707.773.3375 > > www.acuherbal.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I agree with you but these are expensive for most alcoholics and holistic or not, respectfully my personal experience is such that I would at least want any client to receive the protocol I've set forward. I also recommend that such patients receive daily acupuncture daily for for at least 10 sessions, doing both body and ear treatments. Counseling and possibly the 12 step program minus specific religious dogma. _____ On Behalf Of Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:31 AM Re: alcoholism withdrawal protocol I think this is fine that we have some alternatives for alcohol addictions. I would just remind all that the original post was for a facility to treat someone with a 40 year old addiction. I would hope that the family looking for a more holistic facility won't waste too much time looking for one without just checking their family member into any facility where it will stop him from drinking. Yes, in LA there are super, super expensive facilities with massage, acupuncture, whole foods etc... but IMHO, at the bottom level this guy needs medical attention with a well structured program. Doug @ <%40> , " Michael Tierra " <mtierra wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Thank you everyone for your replies. Due to the state he is in his family is looking for an in-patient facility where he can receive the proper medical attention while in this weakened state. It takes him about 5 minutes just to find his mouth when feeding himself. At the same time, his sense of humor is in tact and is able to joke about not being able to find his mouth. So his thoughts are becoming clearer but his muscle coordination and proprioception are very off. The CT scan showed significant brain atrophy for his age. I am relaying all the information people have sent to his family. An in-patient facility that provides medical treatment, physical therapy, acupuncture and counseling (yes, minus the religious dogma) is exactly what they are looking for. He is an ex-Catholic with a negative view of religion and so his wife is trying to find other styles of 12 step programs. Thanks again to everyone who has replied.___ David Russell, L.Ac. Russell Family Acupuncture 134 Howard Street Petaluma, CA 94952 707.773.3375 www.acuherbal.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 the animal studies and ge gen were not done on simple powder or extract. - Michael Tierra Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:48 AM alcoholism withdrawal protocol I've successfully treated clients for alcohol withdrawal symptoms using Western skullcap (scutellaria lateriflora). Alcohol withdrawal has similar issues as sugar detox-withdrawal. It is easier to treat alcoholics who have or are consuming alcohol without added sugar and made only from whole fruit or ideally whole grain -- switch to sake for instance. Have them take pueraria powder and/or equivalent of a dry powdered extract say the usual 2 " 00 " sized capsules along with 2 " 00 " sized capsules of Western skullcap. Skullcap can be loaded inititially to stop or lessen withdrawal symptoms. Pueraria (Ge Geng) has a few both animal and human studies substantiating that even if someone does not want to stop alcohol taking gegeng (called Kuzu in Kanpo or Kudzu if you live in Southeastern afternoon 'highball' country) involuntarily will consume at least 50% less alcohol because they loose their taste for it. Of course its also good for the stomach and liver (I know its a suraface relieving lung herb but it has many broad uses and its a healthful thickener in Japanese cuisine). Western Skullcap is a well respected herb with mild sedative and nerve calming properties. It is singularly wonderfor alcohol and for that matter drug withdrawal. One of my Western herb teachers considered skullcap as literally a 'food' for the nerves. The aerial parts S. lateriflora are used by Western herbalists while in TCM the root of two scute species are used. Learning from the use of both systems: I think skullcap works by assisting the detoxi mecanisms of the liver and by so doing relieving accompanied nervous tenson and anxiety. As a single herb it does some of what the jia we xiao yao wan formula (which I'd also consider for alcohol and drug detox) does --in fact both ge geng and skullcap would be a good addition to that formula. Michael Tierra www.planetherbs.com _____ On Behalf Of David Russell, L.Ac., CMT Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:28 PM alcoholism medical rehab facilities Hello everyone, I have a patient who is in urgent need of entering a rehab facility for alcoholism. He has been an alcoholic for 40 years and a few days ago didn't have a drink for about 14 hours and began detoxing with tremors that led to seizures and hallucinations (audio and visual). He entered critical care in the hospital shortly after and has been there for about 3 days. On thursday they want to release him from the hospital and his family has asked me to put the word out to see if anyone knows of any - holistic alcohol rehab facilities. His brain cells have suffered some serious trauma and he will be in need of physical rehab as well. He has a hard time coordinating fine movements. Any suggestions for facilities would be greatly appreciated. He is located in North Carolina, but they are willing to transport him anywhere in the country. Thank you for your help, David Russell, L.Ac., CMT Russell Family Acupuncture 134 Howard Street Petaluma, CA 94952 707.773.3375 www.acuherbal.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I realize that the flower and leaf are used but having a product in the mass market using the root, which has the widest popularity in places were alcohol consumption is a problem such as Ireland and the UK, we have had uniformly similar results. Wives who have given it to there husbands who often take simply because they were told to do so, not because they wanted to quit, and who are accustomed to beginning the day with an alcoholic beverage, found that they voluntarily stopped that and consumed approximately half the amount the would normally. Also we've had groups of college kids who have taken it and find themselves with their desire to drink reduced to about half. We receive these reports unsolicited from people from around the world. So there is something about gegeng and reducing alcohol consumption which seems to have validity. Michael Tierra _____ On Behalf Of Alon Marcus Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:28 PM Re: alcoholism withdrawal protocol the animal studies and ge gen were not done on simple powder or extract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 the traditional use is the flower for alcohol hangover. The research is done on specific ingredient made into a pharmaceutical drug. All the animal studies were done with this drug. - Michael Tierra Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:06 PM RE: alcoholism withdrawal protocol I realize that the flower and leaf are used but having a product in the mass market using the root, which has the widest popularity in places were alcohol consumption is a problem such as Ireland and the UK, we have had uniformly similar results. Wives who have given it to there husbands who often take simply because they were told to do so, not because they wanted to quit, and who are accustomed to beginning the day with an alcoholic beverage, found that they voluntarily stopped that and consumed approximately half the amount the would normally. Also we've had groups of college kids who have taken it and find themselves with their desire to drink reduced to about half. We receive these reports unsolicited from people from around the world. So there is something about gegeng and reducing alcohol consumption which seems to have validity. Michael Tierra _____ On Behalf Of Alon Marcus Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:28 PM Re: alcoholism withdrawal protocol the animal studies and ge gen were not done on simple powder or extract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Michael My the way do you know if the Thai version of gegeng is different than we use? Gary Gordon is hyping it as something very special for its ability to treat women preventing breast CA and treating all menopause problems. He says its very different than other forms of the herb - Michael Tierra Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:06 PM RE: alcoholism withdrawal protocol I realize that the flower and leaf are used but having a product in the mass market using the root, which has the widest popularity in places were alcohol consumption is a problem such as Ireland and the UK, we have had uniformly similar results. Wives who have given it to there husbands who often take simply because they were told to do so, not because they wanted to quit, and who are accustomed to beginning the day with an alcoholic beverage, found that they voluntarily stopped that and consumed approximately half the amount the would normally. Also we've had groups of college kids who have taken it and find themselves with their desire to drink reduced to about half. We receive these reports unsolicited from people from around the world. So there is something about gegeng and reducing alcohol consumption which seems to have validity. Michael Tierra _____ On Behalf Of Alon Marcus Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:28 PM Re: alcoholism withdrawal protocol the animal studies and ge gen were not done on simple powder or extract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 No, I don't know how different it is. Called Kudzu, it's the scourge of the Southeast as most of us know. So far as I know ge geng and by implication all the species have phytoestrogen precursors which means that it can be useful for treating estrogen sensitve cancers. _____ On Behalf Of Alon Marcus Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:51 AM Re: alcoholism withdrawal protocol Michael My the way do you know if the Thai version of gegeng is different than we use? Gary Gordon is hyping it as something very special for its ability to treat women preventing breast CA and treating all menopause problems. He says its very different than other forms of the herb - Michael Tierra @ <%40> Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:06 PM RE: alcoholism withdrawal protocol I realize that the flower and leaf are used but having a product in the mass market using the root, which has the widest popularity in places were alcohol consumption is a problem such as Ireland and the UK, we have had uniformly similar results. Wives who have given it to there husbands who often take simply because they were told to do so, not because they wanted to quit, and who are accustomed to beginning the day with an alcoholic beverage, found that they voluntarily stopped that and consumed approximately half the amount the would normally. Also we've had groups of college kids who have taken it and find themselves with their desire to drink reduced to about half. We receive these reports unsolicited from people from around the world. So there is something about gegeng and reducing alcohol consumption which seems to have validity. Michael Tierra _____ @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] On Behalf Of Alon Marcus Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:28 PM @ <%40> Re: alcoholism withdrawal protocol the animal studies and ge gen were not done on simple powder or extract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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