Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Can someone tell me the use of saliva divinorum in TCM and its properties. Possibly a reference site (for the Chinese herb) Peace Ed Kasper LAc. & family Santa Cruz, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Ed, I don't know the TCM energetics of salvia divinorum, but I have tried smoking it a couple of times about a year and a half ago. It's rather bizarre psychedelic effects, though brief, are not for the faint of heart and are unlike anything else in my experience. I felt as though I were another version of myself in some parallel dimension but still in this dimension, if that makes any sense. My drug indulgence days are long past, but I was curious, and it is legal. If you google salvia divinorum, you will find a plethora of websites. I do not know any of them that offer TCM energetics, but you can probably figure out some information of that sort with your trained mind from what the websites provide. And if you feel brave, you can buy some and try it yourself. It is said to be used by Mexican shamans for divination--hence the Latin name. From my limited experience I can't imagine how anyone could divine anything of much use from it, but as I say my experience is very limited, and not likely to increase. Joseph Garner, L.Ac. Happy Herbalist <eddy wrote: Can someone tell me the use of saliva divinorum in TCM and its properties. Possibly a reference site (for the Chinese herb) Peace Ed Kasper LAc. & family Santa Cruz, CA Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Hi Ed, I’m pretty sure the CHA archives have some content regarding salvia divinorum. I would be very surprised if it was ever used in TCM. Regards, Kip Roseman _____ On Behalf Of Joseph Garner Monday, July 30, 2007 8:30 PM Re: Re: saliva divinorum Ed, I don't know the TCM energetics of salvia divinorum, but I have tried smoking it a couple of times about a year and a half ago. It's rather bizarre psychedelic effects, though brief, are not for the faint of heart and are unlike anything else in my experience. I felt as though I were another version of myself in some parallel dimension but still in this dimension, if that makes any sense. My drug indulgence days are long past, but I was curious, and it is legal. If you google salvia divinorum, you will find a plethora of websites. I do not know any of them that offer TCM energetics, but you can probably figure out some information of that sort with your trained mind from what the websites provide. And if you feel brave, you can buy some and try it yourself. It is said to be used by Mexican shamans for divination---hence the Latin name. From my limited experience I can't imagine how anyone could divine anything of much use from it, but as I say my experience is very limited, and not likely to increase. Joseph Garner, L.Ac. Happy Herbalist <HYPERLINK " eddy%40happyherbalist.com " eddy (AT) happyherbalist- (DOT) com> wrote: Can someone tell me the use of saliva divinorum in TCM and its properties. Possibly a reference site (for the Chinese herb) Peace Ed Kasper LAc. & family Santa Cruz, CA --- Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Salvia is a sage, like Dan Shen aka " Cinnabar sage " . Also, there is the clary sage, garden sage and various other sages that connote wisdom based on their name sake. My recommendation is to read the mind-bending " Pharmakopoeia " by Dale Pendell The entire Salvia Divinorum chapter, is here: http://www.sagewisdom.org/pharmakopoeia.html As far as TCM concerns, I don't think anyone has fully delved into those facets of the herb, since the herb has only been in the western/Chinese consciousness in the last 30 years. I don't think it would be sage to experiment on any patients, since the authorities are cracking down on this hallucinogenic plant. So, your main option is to try it out on yourself like Shen nong holding a 7 pronged leaf. Peace Ed, the happy Kombucha herbalist. K. On 7/30/07, Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1 wrote: > > Ed, > I don't know the TCM energetics of salvia divinorum, but I have tried > smoking it a couple of times about a year and a half ago. It's rather > bizarre psychedelic effects, though brief, are not for the faint of heart > and are unlike anything else in my experience. I felt as though I were > another version of myself in some parallel dimension but still in this > dimension, if that makes any sense. My drug indulgence days are long past, > but I was curious, and it is legal. If you google salvia divinorum, you will > find a plethora of websites. I do not know any of them that offer TCM > energetics, but you can probably figure out some information of that sort > with your trained mind from what the websites provide. And if you feel > brave, you can buy some and try it yourself. It is said to be used by > Mexican shamans for divination--hence the Latin name. From my limited > experience I can't imagine how anyone could divine anything of much use from > it, but as I say my experience is very > limited, and not likely to increase. > Joseph Garner, L.Ac. > > Happy Herbalist <eddy <eddy%40happyherbalist.com>> > wrote: > Can someone tell me the use of saliva divinorum in TCM and its properties. > Possibly a reference site (for the Chinese herb) > > Peace > > Ed Kasper LAc. & family > Santa Cruz, CA > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Joseph, thanks very interesting. People keep telling me its a Chinese herb and therefore I should know all about it ... Ed Kasper LAc Santa Cruz, CA , Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1 wrote: > > Ed, > I don't know the TCM energetics of salvia divinorum, but I have tried smoking it a couple of times about a year and a half ago. It's rather bizarre psychedelic effects, though brief, are not for the faint of heart and are unlike anything else in my experience. I felt as though I were another version of myself in some parallel dimension but still in this dimension, if that makes any sense. My drug indulgence days are long past, but I was curious, and it is legal. If you google salvia divinorum, you will find a plethora of websites. I do not know any of them that offer TCM energetics, but you can probably figure out some information of that sort with your trained mind from what the websites provide. And if you feel brave, you can buy some and try it yourself. It is said to be used by Mexican shamans for divination--hence the Latin name. From my limited experience I can't imagine how anyone could divine anything of much use from it, but as I say my experience is very > limited, and not likely to increase. > Joseph Garner, L.Ac. > > Happy Herbalist <eddy wrote: > Can someone tell me the use of saliva divinorum in TCM and its properties. > Possibly a reference site (for the Chinese herb) > > Peace > > Ed Kasper LAc. & family > Santa Cruz, CA > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Ed, As others have posted, I have never heard of it being used in TCM. As with the average substance that is used in a recreational-drug-like manner, it probably is an exterior resolver. That would mean it would sap some energy from the Mingmen and waft it up and out of the body, passing upwards through the chakras and energizing them to give the " buzz, " with salvia divinorum's peculiar chemical properties acting to do this in its particular manner, just as ma huang, caffeine, marijuana, cocaine, etc., do this in their particular manners. The more energy that is drained off from the Mingmen, the greater the high and the greater the long-term damage to the system. I am just theorizing here, but it is theory I got from Bob Flaws, to give credit where it is due. Thank you, Bob. Joseph happyherbalist2001 <eddy wrote: Joseph, thanks very interesting. People keep telling me its a Chinese herb and therefore I should know all about it ... Ed Kasper LAc Santa Cruz, CA , Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1 wrote: > > Ed, > I don't know the TCM energetics of salvia divinorum, but I have tried smoking it a couple of times about a year and a half ago. It's rather bizarre psychedelic effects, though brief, are not for the faint of heart and are unlike anything else in my experience. I felt as though I were another version of myself in some parallel dimension but still in this dimension, if that makes any sense. My drug indulgence days are long past, but I was curious, and it is legal. If you google salvia divinorum, you will find a plethora of websites. I do not know any of them that offer TCM energetics, but you can probably figure out some information of that sort with your trained mind from what the websites provide. And if you feel brave, you can buy some and try it yourself. It is said to be used by Mexican shamans for divination--hence the Latin name. From my limited experience I can't imagine how anyone could divine anything of much use from it, but as I say my experience is very > limited, and not likely to increase. > Joseph Garner, L.Ac. > > Happy Herbalist <eddy wrote: > Can someone tell me the use of saliva divinorum in TCM and its properties. > Possibly a reference site (for the Chinese herb) > > Peace > > Ed Kasper LAc. & family > Santa Cruz, CA > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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