Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Hi Tim & All, > Anybody know a decent book or resource on doing point injections using > herbs? Tim Sharpe Tim, I would keep far away from that! Although some practitioners do it, esp in China, one must be very cautious of injecting herbal extracts, esp when oral use is effective. Apart from the risk of infection, injections are more likely to precipitate allergic / anaphylactic reactions in subjects sensitive to those agents. This contrasts with common practice, as used by homeopaths who also are acupuncturists. They ROUTINELY inject homeopathic remedies into the relevant acupoints with no (or very few) adverse reactions. If I were to use acupoints to reinforce herbal treatments, I would use the herb / formula in the usual way (oral or topical) and acupuncture the relevant points as a supportive Tx. Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Tim: Check out http://pointinjection.com/ht/aaomf.shtml Also, there is a book entitled " The Treatment of 100 Common Diseases By New Acupuncture " published in Hong Kong. I believe that it's available from Redwing. Kay King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Thanks Phil. In our office we do homeopathic injections, as well as traditional neural therapy with agents such as lidocaine and procaine. Reactions are uncommon as long as the injectables don't contain preservatives. Lidocaine seems to be the least reactive. I haven't injected herbal remedies, and I recognize the potential risk. I'm not sold on the idea of injecting herbs, just collecting data at this point. Has anyone worked with a hospital in china that does herbal injections/IVs? Any info on frequency/severity of reactions? On Behalf Of Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:29 PM Point injections using herbs Hi Tim & All, > Anybody know a decent book or resource on doing point injections using > herbs? Tim Sharpe Tim, I would keep far away from that! Although some practitioners do it, esp in China, one must be very cautious of injecting herbal extracts, esp when oral use is effective. Apart from the risk of infection, injections are more likely to precipitate allergic / anaphylactic reactions in subjects sensitive to those agents. This contrasts with common practice, as used by homeopaths who also are acupuncturists. They ROUTINELY inject homeopathic remedies into the relevant acupoints with no (or very few) adverse reactions. If I were to use acupoints to reinforce herbal treatments, I would use the herb / formula in the usual way (oral or topical) and acupuncture the relevant points as a supportive Tx. Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 When I did some training in HangZhou I studied for a short time in an endometriosis clinic where patients would receive acupuncture three times a week, alternating each time front and back treatments. Most patients also received a medicinal cake composed of Lu jiao suan, fu zi, rou gui, ru xiang, mo yao and bing pian with burning moxa on top of it on either RN 4 or the sacrum. Every woman was given an herbal injection every other day for 7 days before their period. Dan shen was used for blood stagnation painful menstruation and injected in either SP6 or UB32. Dang Gui was injected in ST 36 for patients who bled heavily during menses. Dang Gui was also injected in SP 6 for amenorrhea or delayed menses. A Dang Gui, Chuan Xiong, Hong Hua compound was used on women with severe menstrual cramps. David Russell, L.Ac., CMT Russell Family Acupuncture 134 Howard Street Petaluma, CA 94952 707.773.3375 www.acuherbal.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 I saw dang gui, chuan xiong, and I believe it was Vitamin B-12 all injected into Bell's palsy patients at GB 20. This was in a Kunming, China hospital. I observed this probably every day for 1.5 months. Perhaps 3 patients per day. Never once saw an allergic reaction. On 9/24/07, David Russell, L.Ac. <dave wrote: > > When I did some training in HangZhou I studied for a short time in an > endometriosis clinic where patients would receive acupuncture three > times a week, alternating each time front and back treatments. Most > patients also received a medicinal cake composed of Lu jiao suan, fu > zi, rou gui, ru xiang, mo yao and bing pian with burning moxa on top > of it on either RN 4 or the sacrum. > Every woman was given an herbal injection every other day for 7 days > before their period. > > Dan shen was used for blood stagnation painful menstruation and > injected in either SP6 or UB32. > > Dang Gui was injected in ST 36 for patients who bled heavily during > menses. > > Dang Gui was also injected in SP 6 for amenorrhea or delayed menses. > > A Dang Gui, Chuan Xiong, Hong Hua compound was used on women with > severe menstrual cramps. > > David Russell, L.Ac., CMT > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I gave a lot of Injections in China in 1985, mostly for pain. Mostly used herbs that move blood - David Russell, L.Ac. Monday, September 24, 2007 9:28 PM Re: Point injections using herbs When I did some training in HangZhou I studied for a short time in an endometriosis clinic where patients would receive acupuncture three times a week, alternating each time front and back treatments. Most patients also received a medicinal cake composed of Lu jiao suan, fu zi, rou gui, ru xiang, mo yao and bing pian with burning moxa on top of it on either RN 4 or the sacrum. Every woman was given an herbal injection every other day for 7 days before their period. Dan shen was used for blood stagnation painful menstruation and injected in either SP6 or UB32. Dang Gui was injected in ST 36 for patients who bled heavily during menses. Dang Gui was also injected in SP 6 for amenorrhea or delayed menses. A Dang Gui, Chuan Xiong, Hong Hua compound was used on women with severe menstrual cramps. David Russell, L.Ac., CMT Russell Family Acupuncture 134 Howard Street Petaluma, CA 94952 707.773.3375 www.acuherbal.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I was also given an injection for a flu (wind-heat). It was chai hu. My fever and probably 85% of my symptoms abated inside of an hour. It was very impressive. On 9/25/07, Alon Marcus <alonmarcus wrote: > > I gave a lot of Injections in China in 1985, mostly for pain. Mostly > used herbs that move blood > > > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Hi Tim, I studied with a Dr. who used procaine injections quite a bit. It was amazing some of the results that I saw in that office. I had considered it myself, but wasn't aware of a source for Acupuncturists. Where do you get it? Thanks, Chris In a message dated 9/24/2007 11:05:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, listserve writes: Thanks Phil. In our office we do homeopathic injections, as well as traditional neural therapy with agents such as lidocaine and procaine. Reactions are uncommon as long as the injectables don't contain preservatives. Lidocaine seems to be the least reactive. I haven't injected herbal remedies, and I recognize the potential risk. I'm not sold on the idea of injecting herbs, just collecting data at this point. Has anyone worked with a hospital in china that does herbal injections/IVs? Any info on frequency/severity of reactions? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Chris, I work with/for a DO and technically perform injections as a medical assistant not as an acupuncturist. I do Japanese meridian therapy style abdominal diagnosis and I have found that I can get tremendous results in quickly clearing the abdomen using lidocaine in extraordinary vessel treatments. I've been experimenting a lot with things like balance method using lidocaine. It seems clear that acu needles are better for some things - I'm just working on figuring out a pattern of what typically responds best to what. As for where to get supplies, you may be able to get needles and syringes from Acu-Market, but your state's scope will limit their use. Guna makes good homeopathics that can be used for injections. To my knowledge lidocaine is only available to MD,DO (and ND in some states). The biggest results we've seen have actually been with homeopathics rather than with the lidocaine. You'd have to use pulse diag, or muscle testing to determine which homeopathic to use though. Currently I only use lidocaine. I agree with you though - amazing results are possible with neural therapy. I'm especially fond of treating scars and neural interferences d/t dental work (root canals, crowns, amalgams, extractions, etc). Tim Sharpe Musiclear Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:31 AM Re: Point injections using herbs Hi Tim, I studied with a Dr. who used procaine injections quite a bit. It was amazing some of the results that I saw in that office. I had considered it myself, but wasn't aware of a source for Acupuncturists. Where do you get it? Thanks, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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