Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Hi Michael, & All, Michael wrote: > I think we should not be so willing to buy into government regulations > against Chinese herbs. I know that there is a greater tendency to do > this in the UK, perhaps in Ireland. EU Regulations on what medicinals can be used in humans and animals are becoming very stringent. If we are to stay safe from losing our licences to practise, practitioners MUST abide by these regulations as much as possible. > I also see many of many of my American colleagues who fall into this > tendency perhaps in an attempt to just get along. Regulatory agencies > are notorious for having banning herbs that may have none or little > toxicity. They make errors in their pronouncements in an antempt to err > on the safe side which is too often against herbal medicine. Agreed. It is up to clued-in practitioners to alert the Authorities if we note an unjustified ban. > Remember, the poison is in the dose and anything at an inappropriate > dose can prove toxic. Agreed. And that applies also to the most essential ingredients for life - air and water. > Mugwort is a time-tested herb with 1000's of years of safe usage. High oral doses of mugwort can input high amounts of thujone, which can be toxic; some batches of Aiye can have high thujone levels. My notes on Aiye say: TOXIC; CI: Pregnancy; Uterus~ Tonic; may cause birth defects; AVOID in lactation; Caution in Yinxu / Xuefen Heat; overdose is TOXIC; Risk of toxicity if 20-30g is taken orally at one time or if smaller doses taken daily for months; it can cause dermatitis & mucosal inflammation; Oral use can cause irritation of digestive tract; after absorption, it can arrive at LV & can obstruct LV metabolism & cause icterus & hepatitis; effect on CNS is prominent; TOXIC S & Ss incl hyperactive CNS & seizures; bc of changes of nerve reflexes, it can damage vascular walls & cause hyperemia of uterus & bleeding > Asarum has very little AA's and also has a long history of safe use > both In North America and in China -- again it is a matter of dosage. Jong TT, Lee MR, Hsiao SS, Hsai JL, Wu TS, Chiang ST, Cai SQ.Analysis of aristolochic acid in nine sources of Xixin, a traditional Chinese medicine, by liquid chromatography/atmospheric pressure chemical ionization/tandem mass spectrometry. J Pharm Biomed Anal. 2003 Nov 24;33(4):831-7. Department of Chemistry, National Chung-Hsin University, Taichung, Taiwan. ttjong Aristolochic acid I (AA-I), which is a known nephrotoxin, is found in a commonly used Chinese medicine, Xixin, that originates from nine Asarum species (Aristolochiaceae) found in China. A method has been developed using reversed-phase liquid chromatography coupled with atmospheric pressure chemical ionization (APCI) tandem mass spectrometry under the positive ion detection mode [LC/(+)APCI/MS/MS] to determine the amount of AA-I in Xixin. The limit of detection of AA-I, estimated by monitoring with LC/MS/MS, was at the low microg/l level. By applying this method to methanol extracts of nine Asarum species, the concentrations of AA-I were found to range from 3.3 ng/mg (Asarum sieboldii) to 3376.9 ng/mg (Asarum crispulatum). PMID: 14623612 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Some samples of Asarum have high AA levels. Other have low levels. If a company gets it wrong (i.e. has inadequate QC checks for AA in the final product), the consequences can be serious. > I fielded this to Roy Upton who is director of the American Herbal > Pharmacopiea and his reply was " ANy botanical with high amounts of > sesquiterpenes has the potential for toxicity as they seem to have a > greater degree of allergenicity than others, are photosensitizers, and > can be hard on kidneys and liver. One point worth noting; the note > said to use a low AA variety of Mutong. Neither Clematis nor Akebia > contain any AA. We have conclusively shown this with extensive HPLC-MS > work. " I agree that authentic Akebia or Clematis (sold by GMP companies and monitored by good QC) probably is safe at normal dose rates. Wu KM, Farrelly JG, Upton R, Chen J. Complexities of the herbal nomenclature system in TCM: lessons learned from the misuse of Aristolochia-related species & the importance of the pharmaceutical name during botanical drug product development. Phytomedicine. 2007 Apr;14(4):273-9. Epub 2006 Jul 24. Center for Drug Evaluation & Research, FDA, 10903 New Hampshire Avenue, Silver Spring, MD 20993, USA. kueimeng.wu Herbs used in TCM have diverse cultural / historical backgrounds & are described based on complex nomenclature systems. Using the family Aristolochiaceae as an example, at least three categories of nomenclature could be identified: (1) one-to-one (one plant part from one species): GUANMUTONG = to Aristolochia manshuriensis Rx; (2) multiple-to-one (multiple plant parts from the same species serve as different herbs): three herbs, MADOULING, QINGMUXIANG & TIANXIANTENG, derived from Aristolochia debilis Fr, Rx & Caulis, respectively & (3) one-to-multiple (one herb refers to multiple species): FANGJI = root of either Aristolochia fangchi, Stephania tetrandra or Cocculus trilobus; in this case, the first belongs to a different family (Aristolochiaceae) than the latter two (Menispermaceae), & only the first contains aristolochic acid (AA), as demonstrated by independent analytical data provided in this article. Further, MUTONG (Akebia quinata) is allowed in TCM herbal medicine practice to be substituted with either GUANMUTONG (Aristolochia manshuriensis) or CHUANMUTONG (Clematis armandii); & muFANGJI (Cocculus trilobus) by GUANGFANGJ (Aristolochia fangchi) or HANZHONGFANGJI (Aristolochia heterophylla), thereby increasing the risk of exposing renotoxic AA-containing Aristolochia species to patients. To avoid these & other confusions, we wish to emphasize the importance of a pharmaceutical name, which defines the species name, the plant part, & sometimes the special process performed on the herb, including cultivating conditions. The pharmaceutical name as referred to in this article is defined, & is limited to those botanicals that are intended to be used as drug. It is hoped that by following the pharmaceutical name, toxic herbs can be effectively identified & substitution or adulteration avoided. PMID: 16863692 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > I don't think even in China a pharmacy like Lanzhou could stay in > business if they were poisoning people with their many preparations. I > think there is far too much Chinese herb bashing going on in the > Western world. Michael Tierra IMO, it is in the interest of professional herbalists to " play safe " as regards herbs used in our practices. If there are safe substitutes for any of the herbs listed by our Drug Regulation Authorities as dangerous or suspect, we should use those substitutes, where possible. Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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