Guest guest Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 HI All, The thread on anorexia nervosa prompts this mail. I am not an expert in psych cases (I am a vet, not a medic!). However, I know several people with severe personality disorders and / or addiction problems with self- destruction tendencies. A search of Medline indicates clearly that anorexia nervosa is a major personality disorder with a high prevalance of self-injury, attempted suicide and actual suicide. Some papers rank suicide as the main cause of death in AN patients and others place suicide as #2 cause of death. I have had bad experiences when trying to help people with suicidal tendencies. Therefore, I caution those of you not expert in treating such conditions to stay far away from them, or at least to become involved in treating them on the strict understanding that the patient receives expert psychiatric help. Indeed, it is advisable (IMO) that TCM practitioners consult regularly with the MD & psychiatrist primarily responsible for conventional Tx of the patient. IMO, self-hate (or, rather, the absence of self-love / self-respect / good self- image) is the fundamental underlying problem in all the cases that I know. To really help these people is a mammoth task. THEY must face up to their problem and totally reconstruct their self-image and their view of the world. That is VERY difficult because most of these people have been abused sexually, physically or emotionally in the past by people whom they loved / trusted. The abuse shattered their self-image and their trust in others. The most recent case that I am trying to help is in her fifties. She has attempted suicide several times, and cuts herself regularly. Some weeks ago, she drank a bottle of spirits and an overdose of tranquillisers while staying in a friend's home about 5 minutes from mine. Her friend found her semicomatose and called several medics, none of which would go to the scene; they said to call an ambulance! When she did, she was told that it might take an hour for the ambulance to get there. Therefore, she called me to give first-aid. I used acupuncture at GV26 to save the poor woman's life (temporarily) before the ambulance came. Within minutes of needling GV26 (strongly), the woman became conscious but the effects of the overdose of alcohol & drugs (slurred and partly incoherent speech) were present. The ambulance came eventually and took her to the Psych hospital. The victim's FATHER, an old man who abused his two daughters repeatedly since childhood, visited her in the hospital after that suicide attempt. She told me that he slipped his hand under the sheet and tried to molest her sexually when the nurse left the room. Despite DECADES of abuse from their father, neither she nor her sister (also seriously disturbed) will report him to the police. [Friends HAVE told the police, but the police cannot prosecute the abuser unless the victims request it; they will not do so]. What can one on the periphery really do for such tragic cases? My youngest brother (ex-RC priest, now an Anglican priest married to an ex- RC nun) with a special calling to help crippled spirits. He was chaplain for many years to a hospital for battered children, where he tried his best to console the children and counsel their abusive parents. He also has worked for years with suicidal people (sometimes keeping them in his home during their perids of crisis). He would be first to admit final failure - he told me that, sooner or later, most suicidal people in his personal experience take their own lives. They simply do not wish to live their realities (or perceived realities) any longer. Bottom line ... IMO, we are way out of our depth if we think that we can treat such cases successfully with a few herbs or acupuncture needles. Unfortunately, loving such people, praying for them and trying to be a good listener and first-aider are simply not enough. May G_d have Mercy on them and on their friends and families. Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Phil, A few yrs back I went to an all-weekend seminar on eating disorders in Seattle. The teaching team was extremely renowned, a psychologist, nutritionist and internist with subspecialties in adolescent medicine and eating disorders. They did, in fact, quote mortality from AN as 20-25%, but stately clearly that death from inanation was probably not more than 5%. Suicides accounted from the other 15-20%. There is also a lot of overlap with EDs and other patterns of self-injury and addiction. Lynn --- < wrote: > HI All, > > The thread on anorexia nervosa prompts this > mail. I am not an expert in psych cases (I am a vet, not a medic!). However, I know several people with severe personality disorders and / or addiction problems with self-destruction tendencies. > > A search of Medline indicates clearly that > anorexia nervosa is a major personality disorder with a high prevalance of self-injury, attempted suicide and actual suicide. Some papers rank suicide as the main cause of death in AN patients and others place suicide as #2 > cause of death. ~ Doing Better Than I Deserve ~ Pain is Normal - Be Weird! Lynn Detamore, MS, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. Licensed and Board Certified Acupuncturist PO Box 14, Sheridan, OR 97378 503.474.8876 lynndetamore ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 after looking in several dictionaries on line I was finally able to use my Taber's to discover the word below is 'inanition' - not 'inanation'. Any day with a new word is a good day! Put that in the spelling bee! ann On Dec 7, 2007, at 1:37 AM, J. Lynn Detamore wrote: > Phil, > > A few yrs back I went to an all-weekend seminar > on eating disorders in Seattle. The teaching team > was extremely renowned, a psychologist, > nutritionist and internist with subspecialties in > adolescent medicine and eating disorders. They > did, in fact, quote mortality from AN as 20-25%, > but stately clearly that death from inanation was > probably not more than 5%. Suicides accounted > from the other 15-20%. There is also a lot of > overlap with EDs and other patterns of > self-injury and addiction. > > Lynn > > --- < wrote: > > > HI All, > > > > The thread on anorexia nervosa prompts this > > mail. I am not an expert in psych cases (I am a > vet, not a medic!). However, I know several > people with severe personality disorders and / or > addiction problems with self-destruction > tendencies. > > > > A search of Medline indicates clearly that > > anorexia nervosa is a major personality > disorder with a high prevalance of self-injury, > attempted suicide and actual suicide. Some papers > rank suicide as the main cause of death in AN > patients and others place suicide as #2 > > cause of death. > > ~ Doing Better Than I Deserve ~ > > Pain is Normal - Be Weird! > > Lynn Detamore, MS, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. > Licensed and Board Certified Acupuncturist > PO Box 14, Sheridan, OR 97378 > 503.474.8876 > lynndetamore > > ________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http:// > mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 hey, thank you ann! --- A Brameier <snakeoil.works wrote: > after looking in several dictionaries on line I > was finally able to > use my Taber's to discover the word below is > 'inanition' - not > 'inanation'. Any day with a new word is a good > day! > Put that in the spelling bee! > > ann > > On Dec 7, 2007, at 1:37 AM, J. Lynn Detamore > wrote: > > > Phil, > > > > A few yrs back I went to an all-weekend > seminar > > on eating disorders in Seattle. The teaching > team > > was extremely renowned, a psychologist, > > nutritionist and internist with > subspecialties in > > adolescent medicine and eating disorders. > They > > did, in fact, quote mortality from AN as > 20-25%, > > but stately clearly that death from inanation > was > > probably not more than 5%. Suicides accounted > > from the other 15-20%. There is also a lot of > > overlap with EDs and other patterns of > > self-injury and addiction. > > > > Lynn > > > > --- < wrote: > > > > > HI All, > > > > > > The thread on anorexia nervosa prompts this > > > mail. I am not an expert in psych cases (I > am a > > vet, not a medic!). However, I know several > > people with severe personality disorders and > / or > > addiction problems with self-destruction > > tendencies. > > > > > > A search of Medline indicates clearly that > > > anorexia nervosa is a major personality > > disorder with a high prevalance of > self-injury, > > attempted suicide and actual suicide. Some > papers > > rank suicide as the main cause of death in AN > > patients and others place suicide as #2 > > > cause of death. > > > > ~ Doing Better Than I Deserve ~ > > > > Pain is Normal - Be Weird! > > > > Lynn Detamore, MS, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. > > Licensed and Board Certified Acupuncturist > > PO Box 14, Sheridan, OR 97378 > > 503.474.8876 > > lynndetamore > > > > > ________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > http:// > > > mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ~ Doing Better Than I Deserve ~ Pain is Normal - Be Weird! Lynn Detamore, MS, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. Licensed and Board Certified Acupuncturist PO Box 14, Sheridan, OR 97378 503.474.8876 lynndetamore ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 no prob. Thank YOU! On Dec 7, 2007, at 12:23 PM, J. Lynn Detamore wrote: > hey, thank you ann! > > --- A Brameier <snakeoil.works > wrote: > > > after looking in several dictionaries on line I > > was finally able to > > use my Taber's to discover the word below is > > 'inanition' - not > > 'inanation'. Any day with a new word is a good > > day! > > Put that in the spelling bee! > > > > ann > > > > On Dec 7, 2007, at 1:37 AM, J. Lynn Detamore > > wrote: > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > A few yrs back I went to an all-weekend > > seminar > > > on eating disorders in Seattle. The teaching > > team > > > was extremely renowned, a psychologist, > > > nutritionist and internist with > > subspecialties in > > > adolescent medicine and eating disorders. > > They > > > did, in fact, quote mortality from AN as > > 20-25%, > > > but stately clearly that death from inanation > > was > > > probably not more than 5%. Suicides accounted > > > from the other 15-20%. There is also a lot of > > > overlap with EDs and other patterns of > > > self-injury and addiction. > > > > > > Lynn > > > > > > --- < wrote: > > > > > > > HI All, > > > > > > > > The thread on anorexia nervosa prompts this > > > > mail. I am not an expert in psych cases (I > > am a > > > vet, not a medic!). However, I know several > > > people with severe personality disorders and > > / or > > > addiction problems with self-destruction > > > tendencies. > > > > > > > > A search of Medline indicates clearly that > > > > anorexia nervosa is a major personality > > > disorder with a high prevalance of > > self-injury, > > > attempted suicide and actual suicide. Some > > papers > > > rank suicide as the main cause of death in AN > > > patients and others place suicide as #2 > > > > cause of death. > > > > > > ~ Doing Better Than I Deserve ~ > > > > > > Pain is Normal - Be Weird! > > > > > > Lynn Detamore, MS, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. > > > Licensed and Board Certified Acupuncturist > > > PO Box 14, Sheridan, OR 97378 > > > 503.474.8876 > > > lynndetamore > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > http:// > > > > > > mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > ~ Doing Better Than I Deserve ~ > > Pain is Normal - Be Weird! > > Lynn Detamore, MS, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. > Licensed and Board Certified Acupuncturist > PO Box 14, Sheridan, OR 97378 > 503.474.8876 > lynndetamore > > ________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http:// > mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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