[Fwd: mechanism for vaporizing phlegm, and chinese term]

[Guest guest]

Hi Folks,

 

3rd edition of Bensky states re: Shi Chang Pu: " Opens the orifices,

*/dislodges/* phlegm, removes filth, and quiets the spirit: " with the

rest of the statement remaining the same.

 

This is my first message to the group; I am but 2nd year student. So

thanks to everyone.

 

Cliff Rae

 

yehuda frischman wrote:

>

> Jason,

>

> You find the term used in the old Bensky Materia Medica( I don't have

> the new one yet, so I can't tell you if he has revised his

> description) in the first of the actions and indications for Shi Chang

> Pu: " Opens the orifices, vaporizes phlegm, and quiets the spirit: For

> phlegm veiling and blocking the sensory orifices with such symptoms as

> deafness, dizziness, forgetfulness and dulled sensorium, as well as

> seizures or stupor. "

>

> But I could not find the term as used in the on-line Eastland Press

> glossary or the Wiseman's PD.

>

> So I'd like to know the mechanism, too!

>

> Yehuda

> <

> <%40Chinese Medicine>> wrote:

> Just curious, where is the term vaporize from? Do you know the Chinese?

>

> -Jason

>

> _____

>

>

> <%40>

> [

> <%40>] On Behalf Of Sharon Sherman

> Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:43 PM

>

> <%40>

> Phlegm vs Dampness

>

> I have 2 questions that I can't seem to find a satisfactory answer in

> books.

> 1) At what point does enduring internal dampness either

> turbid-dampness or damp-heat become " insubstantial " phlegm. It is much

> more common to see patterns that deal with the dampness aspect

> however, at some point and in an older patient, you would have

> phlegm.?. At what point should the diagnosis/treatment principles be

> refined ?

>

> 2)When treating phlegm, what are we really doing when we " vaporize " it?

> thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

How interesting. I wonder why he changed the indication from " vaporize " to

" dislodge " . Obviously a very different connotation. I further wonder what the

term or terms were that were used in the original Chinese text that Dan Bensky

uses as his basis in the two editions.

 

Cliff Rae <cliff wrote:

Hi Folks,

 

3rd edition of Bensky states re: Shi Chang Pu: " Opens the orifices,

*/dislodges/* phlegm, removes filth, and quiets the spirit: " with the

rest of the statement remaining the same.

 

This is my first message to the group; I am but 2nd year student. So

thanks to everyone.

 

Cliff Rae

 

yehuda frischman wrote:

>

> Jason,

>

> You find the term used in the old Bensky Materia Medica( I don't have

> the new one yet, so I can't tell you if he has revised his

> description) in the first of the actions and indications for Shi Chang

> Pu: " Opens the orifices, vaporizes phlegm, and quiets the spirit: For

> phlegm veiling and blocking the sensory orifices with such symptoms as

> deafness, dizziness, forgetfulness and dulled sensorium, as well as

> seizures or stupor. "

>

> But I could not find the term as used in the on-line Eastland Press

> glossary or the Wiseman's PD.

>

> So I'd like to know the mechanism, too!

>

> Yehuda

> <

> <%40Chinese Medicine>> wrote:

> Just curious, where is the term vaporize from? Do you know the Chinese?

>

> -Jason

>

> _____

>

>

> <%40>

> [

> <%40>] On Behalf Of Sharon Sherman

> Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:43 PM

>

> <%40>

> Phlegm vs Dampness

>

> I have 2 questions that I can't seem to find a satisfactory answer in

> books.

> 1) At what point does enduring internal dampness either

> turbid-dampness or damp-heat become " insubstantial " phlegm. It is much

> more common to see patterns that deal with the dampness aspect

> however, at some point and in an older patient, you would have

> phlegm.?. At what point should the diagnosis/treatment principles be

> refined ?

>

> 2)When treating phlegm, what are we really doing when we " vaporize " it?

> thanks

>

>