Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Very interesting Karen, without yet looking at your medscape references -- have their been comparative studies between Shan Zha and Western hawthorn? I always assumed that the Chinese favored the cultivation of large fruited hawthorn because it was easier picking. I also have found that the connection of hawthorn favoring fat and protein digestion (sour benefits the liver i.e. metabolizes fat) may be the basis of why western hawthorn is used for cardiovascular conditions. To my knowledge, traditionally TCM always used shan Zha for digestion and based on their being convinced and influenced by western usage have only recently expanded its use for cardiovascular disease. I think this is a question so if anyone has any different information or impressions I stand to be enlightened. Michael Tierra www.planetherbs.com _____ On Behalf Of creationsgarden1 Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:10 AM Re:Times for Shan Zha Here is the MedScape write-up, (complete with CMEs if you qualify). _http://www.medscape <http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/569435_> ..com/viewarticle/569435_ (http://www.medscape <http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/569435> ..com/viewarticle/569435) Note that many of these studies used the medicinal varieties of European and American Crataegus, which are stronger than Shan Zha, C. pinnatifida in cardiac constituents: Modern extracts of hawthorn, a genus of shrub plants found throughout much of the world, typically derive from the leaves and flowers of a few specific species, such as Crataegus laevigata and C monogyna. All of the reviewed trials used either WS1442 or LI132, commercial preparations with consistent concentrations of the active oligomeric procyanidins; dosages ranged widely, however. Karen Vaughan, MSTOM Licensed Acupuncturist, NCCAOM Registered Herbalist (AHG) 253 Garfield Place Brooklyn, NY 11215 (718) 622-6755 _http://www.byregion <http://www.byregion.net/profiles/ksvaughan2.html_> ..net/profiles/ksvaughan2.html_ (http://www.byregion <http://www.byregion.net/profiles/ksvaughan2.html> ..net/profiles/ksvaughan2.html) " A perceptive eye and heart will notice that within this living world every hill, stone, tree, plant, and animal has a lesson that it can convey to the onlooker. We conscious humans are the ones who can experience, love, and learn from the world around us, but right now we are trapped in an isolated, cold, dark place. If we were to look and see, open ourselves and feel, we could learn innumerable beautiful lessons of both heart and mind. " -Matthew Wood **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music. <http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 00025> aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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