wind cold and wind heat

[Guest guest]

Thank you but the question involved the fact that the standard diagnostic

indications did not help me to determine between wind cold and wind heat. I

had no sore throat which I would have diagnosed wind heat (viral disease).

 

In retrospect the extremely cold, bitter tasting herbs would have worked

quickly but I took aspirin which is also cold.

 

Given the fact that I had no fast pulse, no sore throat and I don't think my

tongue was remarkably red but I did have severe chills (couldn't get warm).

I learned this when I used a thermometer to find that I had a temperature

and when I took an aspirin, my body temperature normalized.

 

I think the recent spate of cold and flu symptoms do not seem to conform to

the usual CM diagnosis and treatment approach. I don't know but it seemed

that from my experience it was really useful to take a temperature as part

of the diagnostic analysis.

 

Michael Tierra

 

 

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On Behalf Of Christine Chang

Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:13 PM

 

Re: What is MSU???

 

 

 

Hi Michael ..

 

Just a small note, I am teaching & clinical supervisor for my students..

they did mix up the " wind cold " & " wind heat " ... regarding your symptom,

yes, you got a wind cold attach.., because you didn't aware of that the wind

cold evil went in deeper to your body, and turn to heat, body is the

battlefield between evil & righteous. Because you have a strong inner qi (

Zhong qi) so, they were fighting in your throat area and create the heat..

(that is why aspirin worked for you) ....how about da qing ye, or huang qin

or chuan xin lian pien..., those will work fast than aspirin also,, and

sorry about your last choice...

 

and Yes, we need to study more about our ancestor's book..

 

my 2 cents..

 

Christine

 

 

 

Christine W Chang, DAOM, LAc.,

 

 

 

Michael Tierra <mtierra@planetherbs <mtierra%40planetherbs.com>

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Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:12:07 PM

RE: What is MSU???

 

Jason,

If you are not quite finished with this discussion, are you saying that

every treatment one gives based on TCM principles will result in cure? We

can't even agree what constitutes a fast pulse, let alone the significance

of the left and right hand " chi " pulses or lack of coat on the tongue edges

and countless other TCM precepts that require judgment and interpretation.

 

Determining hot and cold is interesting is an interesting case in point. Is

there anything in TCM that says, that one should take the patient's

temperature with a thermometer? I recently had chills during a cold. Based

on that, I would have treated it as a wind cold disease but then I took my

temperature and found that I had a fever of 102 degrees. Previously I was

taking herbs for wind cold that included cinnamon and other warming herbs.

It only passingly helped. Out of desperation, I decided to take an aspirin

(a cool natured drug derived from a cold herb - willow), My temperature

quickly went down and I immediately felt better and began to recover rather

quickly.

 

Before that I always thought I knew the difference between 'wind cold' and

'wind heat' diseases. My estimation of my condition was that it was 'wind

cold' -- I had no sore throat and I did have severe chills, having a

tendency towards low thyroid my pulse tends to be slower -- certainly not

fast which would have indicated heat. I don't remember my tongue.

 

The TCM classics only say that someone with a fever who is particularly

vulnerable and has more tendency towards chills than feelings of heat, would

have a wind-cold pattern.

 

Perhaps you might say it is my profound and deep lack of understanding of

the Chinese classics or it could be my inability to interpret them correctly

but with over 30 years experience practicing and teaching I could not get

TCM theory as I knew it at the time to resolve my condition as well as an

aspirin. I wonder if anyone else who is reading this has had similar

questions regarding colds and flus that they or someone they treated had?

 

I think CM is one of the greatest gifts to humanity but I think there are

any number of snags, pitfalls, that signal its limitation and the need for

continued expansion and evolution. Using the past as a place of departure is

important and valuable but getting stuck in it is the death of CM.

 

A little personal experience reminded me that it is not so easy after

decades of study to determine between 'wind cold' and 'wind heat' and of

course, I'll never know for sure whether it was my lack of knowledge of TCM

theory or classics or the insufficiency of that information as it is

presented. --- as the saying goes, there is indeed no substitute for

experience -- but then it seems you want to invalidate someone's experience

based on their prior 'msuing' -- there's something in this that seems a

little confused.

 

Have you or anyone on this list ever heard of diagnostic formulas? These are

when a practitioner gives a formula with strong heating, cooling, tonifying

or emptying qualities to gage the accuracy of their diagnosis by the

patient's reaction. Something that some TCM herbalists do. I have concluded

that the term diagnosis in TCM is incorrect. Rather a TCM assessment is

offered as a hypothesis for treatment. Only if the treatment results with a

favorable response could one claim that the assessment MAY have been

correct.

 

Michael Tierra

www.planetherbs. com

 

People can be wrong for many reasons, in fact with TCM the reasons are

multiplied hundreds fold. It is neither the only system of healing nor is it

a flawless system because it was created by flawed people and is practiced

by flawed practitioners on patients who are determined to come up with

unique conditions and patterns to confound the best of us -- thus the

limitations of healing.

 

Its insulting to say someone is " MSuing " you can comment and criticize the

merit of their ideas but not on the basis of who has or has not a superior

understanding of the classics. Just bad form -- no room for any one to grow

and learn.

 

Michael Tierra

www.planetherbs. com

 

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