Guest guest Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Michael, I've used a lot of lo han guo, It is great for dry cough, dry throat, lung dryness and helping to sweeten decoctions. However, a teacher of mine told me that it can hold pathogens inside and should never be used alone during an acute attack of external pathogens. From my experience, this holds true. Just my 2 cents. K. On Feb 19, 2008 8:25 AM, Michael Tierra <mtierra wrote: > Thanks for that Geof and Zev. Zev,, I have to confess I've never I've > never > used Jing feng bai du san -- I'll certainly consider it in future cases. > > Since the difference between SHL and Wen Bing seems to me to be primarily > humoural (SHL) and more anti-pathogenic (Wen bing) the choice does become > clearer. I've taken a few simple clues from SHL that I think seem useful. > Generally speaking Tai yang stage is early unless one accounts for > underlying deficiency as an important component of treatment. So a lot of > colds and flus that last beyond 2 or 3 days seem to go to xiao yang stages > with chai hu gui zhi tang being very useful because it treats the mixed > cold > and hot syndrome, deficient and excess. For some reason during this last > cold I was so convinced that it was wind cold, and was getting measured > results with treating it that way, I never tried chai hu gui zhi tang. > > I must say that about 85 to 09% of the time the lingering cough and > recurring pattern that happens with so many of these conditions yields to > xiao chu hu tang with minor variations for each patient. I was surprised > to > find that the most palliative remedy for cough was lo han guo tea. > > I wonder what it is about lo han guo, in terms of its properties and > nature > as well as biochemistry that makes it so useful. Is it ever used in > formulas? > > We don't say much about it but those inexpensive little sugar cubes of lo > han guo were very effective palliative treatment for children, many of my > patients and myself while xiao chai hu kicked in at a deeper level. > > Michael Tierra > www.planetherbs.com > > _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 not sure what exactly that means -- holding in pathogens -- how can you tell that has happened? MT _____ On Behalf Of Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:00 AM Re: Shang Han & Wen Bing - lo han guo Michael, I've used a lot of lo han guo, It is great for dry cough, dry throat, lung dryness and helping to sweeten decoctions. However, a teacher of mine told me that it can hold pathogens inside and should never be used alone during an acute attack of external pathogens. From my experience, this holds true. Just my 2 cents. K. On Feb 19, 2008 8:25 AM, Michael Tierra <mtierra@planetherbs <mtierra%40planetherbs.com> .com> wrote: > Thanks for that Geof and Zev. Zev,, I have to confess I've never I've > never > used Jing feng bai du san -- I'll certainly consider it in future cases. > > Since the difference between SHL and Wen Bing seems to me to be primarily > humoural (SHL) and more anti-pathogenic (Wen bing) the choice does become > clearer. I've taken a few simple clues from SHL that I think seem useful. > Generally speaking Tai yang stage is early unless one accounts for > underlying deficiency as an important component of treatment. So a lot of > colds and flus that last beyond 2 or 3 days seem to go to xiao yang stages > with chai hu gui zhi tang being very useful because it treats the mixed > cold > and hot syndrome, deficient and excess. For some reason during this last > cold I was so convinced that it was wind cold, and was getting measured > results with treating it that way, I never tried chai hu gui zhi tang. > > I must say that about 85 to 09% of the time the lingering cough and > recurring pattern that happens with so many of these conditions yields to > xiao chu hu tang with minor variations for each patient. I was surprised > to > find that the most palliative remedy for cough was lo han guo tea. > > I wonder what it is about lo han guo, in terms of its properties and > nature > as well as biochemistry that makes it so useful. Is it ever used in > formulas? > > We don't say much about it but those inexpensive little sugar cubes of lo > han guo were very effective palliative treatment for children, many of my > patients and myself while xiao chai hu kicked in at a deeper level. > > Michael Tierra > www.planetherbs.com > > _____ _____ << ella for Spam Control >> has removed 5394 Spam messages and set aside 3289 Newsletters for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Michael, I am curious about what's in " composition powder. " > Similarly in Western herbal medicine there is a very famous and highly > respected formulation called composition powder that was literally made in > 100 lb lots by 20th century herb doctors, who would use it as a first > defense for most acute ailments especially upper respiratory. My father was a pharmacist who trained at the transition around 1920s in Wisconsin and apprenticed with a self-taught small-town druggist-Native American medicine woman. Wish he were still around to ask about the home remedies he used to make for us, all of which worked. I remember him talking about this formulation. Frances Gander Athens, Ohio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 A favorite old-time North American remedy used by the 19th century Thompsonian and Eclectic herb doctors is called Composition Powder. This was evidently a favorite of Dr. Nowell, who was one of the major teachers of the late herbalist belovedly known as Dr. Christopher. Dr. Nowell's formula for Composition Powder is as follows: Powder of bayberry bark (myrica cer.) 4 ounces Powder of ginger (zingiberis) 2 ounces Powder of white pine bark (pinus canad.) 1 ounce Powder of cloves (caryophylum) 1 teaspoon Powder of cayenne pepper (capsicum) 1 teaspoon The ingredients are mixed and sifted. The dose is one teaspoonful steeped in a cup of hot or boiling water sweetened with raw brown sugar or honey. Cover and allow it to stand until cool enough to drink the clear liquid, leaving the powder. Evidently upper respiratory complaints were at least as prevalent in the 19th and early 20th centuries. It was Dr. Nowell's most commonly prescribed herbal formula. He states: " We have made and used Composition Powder for over forty years --- we regularly mixed it in batches of sixty pounds -- As a remedy in colds, beginning of fevers,flu, hoarseness, sluggish circulation, colic cramps, etc. we believe it has done more good than any other single preparation ever known to man --- If this compound were kept in every home, and used as the occasion arose, there would be far less sickness. Give it freely in your practice and your patient will bless you. " [9] Herbal Uprising Since each doctor happened to have his or her own favorite version of this formula, mine is a Planetary formula called " Herbal Uprising " and consists of the following: Powder of ginger root 8 parts Powder of cinnamon twig 4 parts Powder of white pine bark 2 parts Powder of cloves 1 part Powder of bayberry bark 1 part Powder of marshmallow root 1 part Powder of licorice root 1 part It is taken similarly to composition powder previously described but Feel the addition of licorice and marshmallow root gives it a smoother action. _____ On Behalf Of Frances L. Gander Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:18 PM Re: Shang Han & Wen Bing - lo han guo Michael, I am curious about what's in " composition powder. " > Similarly in Western herbal medicine there is a very famous and highly > respected formulation called composition powder that was literally made in > 100 lb lots by 20th century herb doctors, who would use it as a first > defense for most acute ailments especially upper respiratory. My father was a pharmacist who trained at the transition around 1920s in Wisconsin and apprenticed with a self-taught small-town druggist-Native American medicine woman. Wish he were still around to ask about the home remedies he used to make for us, all of which worked. I remember him talking about this formulation. Frances Gander Athens, Ohio _____ << ella for Spam Control >> has removed 5431 Spam messages and set aside 3304 Newsletters for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 I found the following in a quick search for " composition powder " : In the old days doctors used an herbal combination called Composition Powder. Dr. Nowell, who influenced Dr. Christopher, said Composition Powder was the most widely used remedy that he had, and that he would make sixty pounds at a time. Composition Powder: 4 oz bayberry bark, 2 oz ginger, 1 oz white pine bar. 1 tsp clove, 1 tsp cayenne. The dose was one tsp in a cup of boiled water sweetened to taste. Dr. Nowell used it for colds, fevers, lungs etc and said he thought it had done more good for man than any other single preparation ever used. Wow! More here... http://www.planetherbs.com/articles/colds.html Steve Frances L. Gander wrote: > > Michael, > > I am curious about what's in " composition powder. " > > Similarly in Western herbal medicine there is a very famous and highly > > respected formulation called composition powder that was literally > made in > > 100 lb lots by 20th century herb doctors, who would use it as a first > > defense for most acute ailments especially upper respiratory. > My father was a pharmacist who trained at the transition around 1920s in > Wisconsin and apprenticed with a self-taught small-town druggist-Native > American medicine woman. Wish he were still around to ask about the home > remedies he used to make for us, all of which worked. I remember him > talking about this formulation. > > Frances Gander > Athens, Ohio > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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