liver packs

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I know that using a castor oil hot pack over the liver is a popular treatment

adjunct for many

of you.

I am wondering if they are used in China? Is there any CM theory to support its

use? Studies?

 

TIA,

Paul

[Guest guest]

Hi Paul,

I am only an acupuncture student so I can't tell you whether or not there is

CM medical theory to support the use of warm castor oil packs.

However, it is my understanding that castor oil packs were introduced as a

treatment through the medical intuitive/psychic Edgar Cayce. He did not confine

their use to only the liver in his readings. People familiar with the Edgar

Cayce readings have written books about the use of castor oil packs to treat

many things. Norman Shealy, MD mentions castor oil packs in almost all his books

and also mentions he has used them to treat horses.

If you are interested in learning more this is link you could use

http://www.edgarcayce.org/health/database/health_resources/castor_Oil_Packs.asp

 

Hope this helps.

ellen

 

pdgamache2 <pdgamache wrote:

Hi All,

I know that using a castor oil hot pack over the liver is a popular treatment

adjunct for many

of you.

I am wondering if they are used in China? Is there any CM theory to support its

use? Studies?

 

TIA,

Paul

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Liver wraps are quite widely used in Europe in various areas of

complementary medicine. The German Centre for Biological Cancer treatment

recommends

lwarm liver wraps for a general liver detox. I guess that various practitioners

will have come up with putting different herbs and potions in them too, I

would not think it being unique to any particular part of the world or

medicine. A

 

Andrea Hehlmann

_www.hehlis-holistics.com_ (http://www.hehlis-holistics.com/) .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Ellen, I am aware of Cayce and his work. My question is really about the

CM side

of this, and really, if there is one.

 

So how about it, everyone? TCM schools use them in their clinics, practitioners

in their

practices. Is this unique to the US?

 

-Paul

 

, ellen ona <ellenona wrote:

>

> Hi Paul,

> I am only an acupuncture student so I can't tell you whether or not there is

CM medical

theory to support the use of warm castor oil packs.

> However, it is my understanding that castor oil packs were introduced as a

treatment

through the medical intuitive/psychic Edgar Cayce. He did not confine their use

to only the

liver in his readings. People familiar with the Edgar Cayce readings have

written books

about the use of castor oil packs to treat many things. Norman Shealy, MD

mentions castor

oil packs in almost all his books and also mentions he has used them to treat

horses.

> If you are interested in learning more this is link you could use

http://www.edgarcayce.org/health/database/health_resources/castor_Oil_Packs.asp

>

> Hope this helps.

> ellen

>

> pdgamache2 <pdgamache wrote:

> Hi All,

> I know that using a castor oil hot pack over the liver is a popular treatment

adjunct for

many

> of you.

> I am wondering if they are used in China? Is there any CM theory to support

its use?

Studies?

>

> TIA,

> Paul

 

> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure that Edgar Cayce's medical thoughts are unique to the US, but

close to it, I'm sure.

 

Think about it. Do you think that the Chinese know of Edgar Cayce? Perhaps

some, but his treatments are nowhere to be found in medical schools. How

many medical schools teach Edgar Cayce here?

 

Your mention of the liver pack was the first I've heard of it, though a

patient I see just told me that she's doing it too. She swears by it too,

but again swearing and legitimate outcome measurements are two different

things.

 

-al.

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:54 AM, pdgamache2 <pdgamache wrote:

 

> Thanks, Ellen, I am aware of Cayce and his work. My question is really

> about the CM side

> of this, and really, if there is one.

>

> So how about it, everyone? TCM schools use them in their clinics,

> practitioners in their

> practices. Is this unique to the US?

>

> -Paul

>

 

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " pdgamache2 "

<pdgamache wrote:

>

> Thanks, Ellen, I am aware of Cayce and his work. My question is

really about the CM side

> of this, and really, if there is one.

>

> So how about it, everyone? TCM schools use them in their clinics,

practitioners in their

> practices. Is this unique to the US?

 

I've only spent time with a few dozen doctors in Asia and I've only

been to about a dozen TCM hospitals there, so my observations cannot

possibly be representative of the tens of thousands of doctors they

have there. That being said, I've definitely never seen the castor

oil packs in use there like I see them in the US. Castor bean, oil,

root, and leaf are all used in Chinese medicine, however.

 

TCM info below from Zhong Yao Da Ci Dian.

 

castor bean balanced sweet & acrid, toxic. large intestine & lung

channels.

Disperses swelling & draws out pus (used topically); lubricates the

intestines & frees stagnation (taken orally). toxin swelling of flat-

and welling-abscesses, scrofula; throat bi; scab, lichen, and lai

sores; water swelling; abdominal fullness; dry, bound stool; prolapse

of the rectum.

apply crushed or grind & apply mixed. Oral: use in pills.

 

 

castor oil

Tx: dry stools; scab sores; scalds.

 

castor plant root

slightly warm* bland*

Resolves tetany, disperses wind, & dissipates stasis.

Tx: lockjaw; epilepsy; wind-damp (rheumatic) pain; stasis pain from

knocks & falls; scrofula.

 

castor plant leaf

toxic*

Tx: leg qi; cough & panting; goose-foot wind; boils; painful swelling

of the scrotum.

 

Eric Brand

[Guest guest]

Al,

I'm not sure who you were addressing your post to, but since you replied to my

post, I will

assume it was me.

I was not attributing the original use of Liver packs to Cayce and asking if the

Chinese had

adopted his ideas. On the contrary, I was looking for information regarding the

historical

use of this treatment in CM. I did not even mention Cayce in my first post.

I have, since my last post, spoken to a Chinese practitioner here in the US, and

she

believes that the use of hot packs with various oils, castor notwithstanding,

has been used

for, possibly, centuries.

-Paul

 

, " Al Stone " <al wrote:

>

> I'm not sure that Edgar Cayce's medical thoughts are unique to the US, but

> close to it, I'm sure.

>

> Think about it. Do you think that the Chinese know of Edgar Cayce? Perhaps

> some, but his treatments are nowhere to be found in medical schools. How

> many medical schools teach Edgar Cayce here?

>

> Your mention of the liver pack was the first I've heard of it, though a

> patient I see just told me that she's doing it too. She swears by it too,

> but again swearing and legitimate outcome measurements are two different

> things.

>

> -al.

>

> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:54 AM, pdgamache2 <pdgamache wrote:

>

> > Thanks, Ellen, I am aware of Cayce and his work. My question is really

> > about the CM side

> > of this, and really, if there is one.

> >

> > So how about it, everyone? TCM schools use them in their clinics,

> > practitioners in their

> > practices. Is this unique to the US?

> >

> > -Paul

> >

>

>

> --

> , DAOM

> Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

>

>

>