Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 The 2003 Unschuld text was not a translation, it was book one in a series that will culminate in a translation. I've heard of but haven't seen the van nghi translation, can anyone comment on it? As for the Henry Lu translation, I found it severely lacking. I was looking forward to it for years. I even pre-ordered it until they eventually cancelled all pre-orders so they could nearly double the price. When I finally saw it, it was beautiful, but I was unimpressed with content. Anyone else have comments on these? Tim Sharpe On Behalf Of Friday, March 07, 2008 10:10 AM Re: books Unschuld's translation of the Su Wen was published in 2003, but the dictionary for the Su Wen will be out around March 15th, according to Amazon. The Nguyen Van Nghi group and Henry Lu have each published translations of the Ling Shu. http://institutevannghi.net/pages/news.html http://www.tcmcollege.com/yellowem/Backpick.htm Hope this helps, K. On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 5:45 AM, < > wrote: > I don't think Unschuld's NeiJing is out, and probably won't be for > sometime. > Does anyone have any additional information when? > > -Jason > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Tim Sharpe <listserve wrote: > As for the Henry Lu translation, I found it severely lacking. I was > looking forward to it for years. I even pre-ordered it until they > eventually cancelled all pre-orders so they could nearly double the price. > When I finally saw it, it was beautiful, but I was unimpressed with > content. > > Anyone else have comments on these? > I have a copy of " Selected Readings from Nei-Jing " , by Henry C. Lu. (2003) I guess this is the textbook for the TCM program at Lu's school in Vancouver. It is easy enough to read, not too many terminology bloopers that cause me to stumble and trip over words. Not sure if this is the translation that you're talking about. I've had it since 2003, but haven't spent too much time with it. I think that if I did, I'd get more out of it. It isn't especially attractive visually (in fact not attractive at all), so this may be just based on the larger work that you're describing. There's this neat little (almost fits in a back-pocket) translation of the Nan-Jing that is published by Blue Poppy. I've been carrying this around with me for a few months, just leaving it in my backpack. When I'm sitting at a coffee shop or tea house or wherever, I can open it up and muse over the significance of the writings. I bring this up because looking again at the " Selected Readings from the Nei Jing " , I think that if it were small enough to easily travel around with me, I'd probably carry that too. The point that I'm bringing up here is the usability of these translations. I have yet to find any of the classics really very good as a clinical manual. I use the more contemporary texts for this application. However when I have down time, I'll look at one of these books and just consider what they're saying and how it may explain existing protocols or perhaps inform me of some classic approach that I may be missing. Whenever ECTOM's Tiande Yang starts talking about herbs in terms beyond simple properties and actions, he often defaults to " nei jing theory " as the source of his information. I look for hints in these books too, to describe the theories that give rise to how we understand and work with herbs. -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Tim and John, I have both of these translations. I seem to have a predilection to buy expensive translations of texts that are totally useless While the Van Nghi text is better, it is a translation from French, so it is 'twice removed' from the Chinese language, doesn't have much of a glossary or term explanations, so it is often difficult to have any idea what the translator is talking about. At least it has some nice charts. I also waited years for the Lu translation, and was vastly disappointed. If I see gan bi translated as " liver arthralgia " one more time, I think I'll scream. On Mar 7, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Tim Sharpe wrote: > The 2003 Unschuld text was not a translation, it was book one in a > series > that will culminate in a translation. > > I've heard of but haven't seen the van nghi translation, can anyone > comment > on it? As for the Henry Lu translation, I found it severely lacking. > I was > looking forward to it for years. I even pre-ordered it until they > eventually cancelled all pre-orders so they could nearly double the > price. > When I finally saw it, it was beautiful, but I was unimpressed with > content. > > Anyone else have comments on these? > > Tim Sharpe > > > > On Behalf Of > Friday, March 07, 2008 10:10 AM > > Re: books > > Unschuld's translation of the Su Wen was published in 2003, > but the dictionary for the Su Wen will be out around March 15th, > according > to Amazon. > > The Nguyen Van Nghi group and Henry Lu have each published > translations of > the Ling Shu. > > http://institutevannghi.net/pages/news.html > > http://www.tcmcollege.com/yellowem/Backpick.htm > > Hope this helps, K. > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 5:45 AM, < > > wrote: > > > I don't think Unschuld's NeiJing is out, and probably won't be for > > sometime. > > Does anyone have any additional information when? > > > > -Jason > > > > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine Pacific College of Oriental Medicine San Diego, Ca. 92122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 This is where commentary comes in. People (for now 1000's of years) have addressed the clinical implications of the neijing et al. -Jason _____ On Behalf Of Al Stone enough to easily travel around with me, I'd probably carry that too. The point that I'm bringing up here is the usability of these translations. I have yet to find any of the classics really very good as a clinical manual. I use the more contemporary texts for this application. However when I have down time, I'll look at one of these books and just consider what they're saying and how it may explain existing protocols or perhaps inform me of some classic approach that I may be missing. Whenever ECTOM's Tiande Yang starts talking about herbs in terms beyond simple properties and actions, he often defaults to " nei jing theory " as the source of his information. I look for hints in these books too, to describe the theories that give rise to how we understand and work with herbs. -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 5:18 PM, < > wrote: > > > This is where commentary comes in. People (for now 1000's of years) have > addressed the clinical implications of the neijing et al. > And this is where Chinese language skills would serve me. The lack of commentary is where most translations fall flat. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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