Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 35 year old male presents with nighttime spinal itching - at the base of the spine very focussed, not around the anus, does not worsen with bowel movements or exercise. The itching wakens him at night a couple of hours after laying down - and is intense. On examination there is no redness, discoloration or swelling - there is nothing palpable. On questioning the itching feels like it is coming from the bone both on the surface of the bone and from inside. The condition is more than 15 years of duration and has stumped both the medical and chiropractic community. General intake - the patient is active, runs 3-4 miles 2-3x per week, works out in the gym 2x per week. energy is generally good, suffers from tension headaches which are relieved by advil. Drinks 1-2 cupss of coffee daily then switches to decaf. Hydrates 48-60z of water per day. Eats a healthy largely vegetarian diet with occasional chicken and fish. Bowels will tend to be slow if diet changes - has suffered hemmorhhoids as a teenager but not since changing his diet 10 years ago. Pulse large and flooding in LV, there is also a fatty cyst palpable at this point on the wrist which causes the pulse to move. Otherwise pulse is even. No other cysts or growths. Tongue - coating is thin and discolored by caffeine, body is pink with sl tender edges. The most recent modification of Jia Wei Xiao Yao San + ji xue teng, bai ji li, she chuang zi did reduce the intensity of the itching during the daytime - and has now resolved it, but the nightime itching does not change. Any thoughts? Thanks Kayte Halstead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 herpes, shingles? It's said to be able to lie dormant in the lumbosacral area, among other places. Seems like the herbs have partially suppressed it. In cases of genital herpes the HSV retreats to the sacral ganglion at the base of the spine. Perhaps he is in a continued state of partial supression, ie, no full visible outbreaks. I'd try good doses of Lysine or Long dan xie gan tang. Try this general site about herpes: http://www.ashastd.org/herpes/herpes_learn_oralherpes.cfm Sometimes I think livery folks need to take LDXGT every once in a while... haha. Like... now! Spring! How irritating is that? ;-) ann On Mar 14, 2008, at 7:15 PM, acupuncture4health wrote: > 35 year old male presents with nighttime spinal itching - at the base > of the spine very focussed, not around the anus, does not worsen with > bowel movements or exercise. > > The itching wakens him at night a couple of hours after laying down - > and is intense. > > On examination there is no redness, discoloration or swelling - there > is nothing palpable. On questioning the itching feels like it is > coming from the bone both on the surface of the bone and from inside. > > The condition is more than 15 years of duration and has stumped both > the medical and chiropractic community. > > General intake - the patient is active, runs 3-4 miles 2-3x per week, > works out in the gym 2x per week. energy is generally good, suffers > from tension headaches which are relieved by advil. Drinks 1-2 cupss > of coffee daily then switches to decaf. Hydrates 48-60z of water per > day. Eats a healthy largely vegetarian diet with occasional chicken > and fish. Bowels will tend to be slow if diet changes - has suffered > hemmorhhoids as a teenager but not since changing his diet 10 years > ago. > > Pulse large and flooding in LV, there is also a fatty cyst palpable at > this point on the wrist which causes the pulse to move. Otherwise > pulse is even. No other cysts or growths. > > Tongue - coating is thin and discolored by caffeine, body is pink with > sl tender edges. > > The most recent modification of Jia Wei Xiao Yao San + ji xue teng, > bai > ji li, she chuang zi did reduce the intensity of the itching during > the > daytime - and has now resolved it, but the nightime itching does not > change. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks > > Kayte Halstead > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Where exactly is the itching? Possible constant re-aggrevation of an old tailbone injury (via exercise & running)? Worse at night could be Blood Stasis or Yin Xu - either or both could be with the duration of the situation. Another question for the patient would be to ask if it was a sudden onset or gradual progression. Geoff , " acupuncture4health " <kayte wrote: > > 35 year old male presents with nighttime spinal itching - at the base > of the spine very focussed, not around the anus, does not worsen with > bowel movements or exercise. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Whenever I have someone come in with itching and which might be related to dryness and/or dampness and heat who mentions they drink coffee, I alert them to this being a likely aggravant. Whether coffee is the lynch pin or not for this patient I think it would be worth challenging by removing it from the diet, including decaf, and seeing if the intensity diminishes. Ben : kayte: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:15:31 +0000 Yaoqi - bone itching 35 year old male presents with nighttime spinal itching - at the base of the spine very focussed, not around the anus, does not worsen with bowel movements or exercise.The itching wakens him at night a couple of hours after laying down - and is intense.On examination there is no redness, discoloration or swelling - there is nothing palpable. On questioning the itching feels like it is coming from the bone both on the surface of the bone and from inside.The condition is more than 15 years of duration and has stumped both the medical and chiropractic community.General intake - the patient is active, runs 3-4 miles 2-3x per week, works out in the gym 2x per week. energy is generally good, suffers from tension headaches which are relieved by advil. Drinks 1-2 cupss of coffee daily then switches to decaf. Hydrates 48-60z of water per day. Eats a healthy largely vegetarian diet with occasional chicken and fish. Bowels will tend to be slow if diet changes - has suffered hemmorhhoids as a teenager but not since changing his diet 10 years ago.Pulse large and flooding in LV, there is also a fatty cyst palpable at this point on the wrist which causes the pulse to move. Otherwise pulse is even. No other cysts or growths.Tongue - coating is thin and discolored by caffeine, body is pink with sl tender edges.The most recent modification of Jia Wei Xiao Yao San + ji xue teng, bai ji li, she chuang zi did reduce the intensity of the itching during the daytime - and has now resolved it, but the nightime itching does not change.Any thoughts?ThanksKayte Halstead _______________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 I had a patient today who comes in for vaginal itching & discharge. She noticed that when she drinks tea (black or green) it makes the itching much worse. She said she thought she had seen somewhere that the particulate matter in the tea aggrevated the colon or something to that effect. Anyone heard that before? As a personal side note I've had the experience several times (slow learner) that drinking green tea gives me nystagmus / vertigo. Espresso is just fine, so it's not the caffeine. Geoff , ben zappin <btz23 wrote: > > > Whenever I have someone come in with itching and which might be related to dryness and/or dampness and heat who mentions they drink coffee, I alert them to this being a likely aggravant. Whether coffee is the lynch pin or not for this patient I think it would be worth challenging by removing it from the diet, including decaf, and seeing if the intensity diminishes. > > Ben > > > : kayte: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:15:31 +0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Hi Geoff, I don't have an answer for your first question, but it is possible that green tea, just like some of our herbs which do not have caffeine in them, are upbearing. In fact, green tea is an ingredient in Chuan Xiong Cha Tiao San, because it helps move the action of the formula up to the head, for relieving headaches. Some patients, like myself, are particularly sensitive to upbearing herbs, and can get headaches or dizziness from them. If you're adding anything to your espresso, such as dairy or soy, that may possibly counteract any action caffeine might have. This is pure speculation, however. G Hudson <crudo20 wrote: I had a patient today who comes in for vaginal itching & discharge. She noticed that when she drinks tea (black or green) it makes the itching much worse. She said she thought she had seen somewhere that the particulate matter in the tea aggrevated the colon or something to that effect. Anyone heard that before? As a personal side note I've had the experience several times (slow learner) that drinking green tea gives me nystagmus / vertigo. Espresso is just fine, so it's not the caffeine. Geoff , ben zappin wrote: > > > Whenever I have someone come in with itching and which might be related to dryness and/or dampness and heat who mentions they drink coffee, I alert them to this being a likely aggravant. Whether coffee is the lynch pin or not for this patient I think it would be worth challenging by removing it from the diet, including decaf, and seeing if the intensity diminishes. > > Ben > > > : kayte: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:15:31 +0 --- Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including a practitioner's directory and a moderated discussion forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Well, I'm not sure about this. Green tea has caffeine-like alkaloids, theobromine and theophylline. Like caffeine, they tend to be vasoconsticting, though not as much so as coffee. But that may be it's usefulness for HAs, since many HAs are vasodilatory. They are also diuretic, even more so than coffee, and this might be too drying for some. The tannins are known headache triggers and are on the avoid list for people with chronic headaches. Caffeine is in a bit of a class by itself, simply because it is often consumed chronically as tea or coffee. This prolonged consumption can create its own problems, like many addictions or habits. Long term effects can be quite different from occasional use. Because most consider it benign, these effects are often not associated with the caffeine by the consumer. I don't see how adding milk/soy to coffee will change the caffeine effect. I think I've heard that it might change the value of the polyphenols contained in coffee that connoisseurs are raving about, however. Are you telling me you can't tell the difference b/w a regular and a decaf cappuccino? I heard a funny story that a waiter would give customers who were annoying decaf. Why didn't I think of that? ann On Mar 22, 2008, at 12:34 AM, wrote: > Hi Geoff, > > I don't have an answer for your first question, but it is possible > that green tea, just like some of our herbs which do not have > caffeine in them, are upbearing. In fact, green tea is an > ingredient in Chuan Xiong Cha Tiao San, because it helps move the > action of the formula up to the head, for relieving headaches. Some > patients, like myself, are particularly sensitive to upbearing > herbs, and can get headaches or dizziness from them. > > If you're adding anything to your espresso, such as dairy or soy, > that may possibly counteract any action caffeine might have. This > is pure speculation, however. > > > > G Hudson <crudo20 wrote: I had a patient today who > comes in for vaginal itching & discharge. > She noticed that when she drinks tea (black or green) it makes the > itching much worse. She said she thought she had seen somewhere that > the particulate matter in the tea aggrevated the colon or something to > that effect. Anyone heard that before? > > As a personal side note I've had the experience several times (slow > learner) that drinking green tea gives me nystagmus / vertigo. > Espresso is just fine, so it's not the caffeine. > > Geoff > > , ben zappin wrote: > > > > > > Whenever I have someone come in with itching and which might be > related to dryness and/or dampness and heat who mentions they drink > coffee, I alert them to this being a likely aggravant. Whether coffee > is the lynch pin or not for this patient I think it would be worth > challenging by removing it from the diet, including decaf, and seeing > if the intensity diminishes. > > > > Ben > > > > > > : kayte: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:15:31 +0 > > --- > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > including a practitioner's directory and a moderated discussion forum. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Milk definetely moderates caffeine. And nicotine and caffeine, interact with each, perhaps you could say potentiate. Which is why they so often are (ab)used together. Doug , A Brameier <snakeoil.works wrote:....... ......... > > I don't see how adding milk/soy to coffee will change the caffeine > effect. I think I've heard that it might change the value of the > polyphenols contained in coffee that connoisseurs are raving about, > however. Are you telling me you can't tell the difference b/w a > regular and a decaf cappuccino? I heard a funny story that a waiter > would give customers who were annoying decaf. Why didn't I think of > that? > > ann > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Because milk and soy are both heavy, cold and sinking in nature, I was speculating that these qualities could possibly moderate the opposite qualities of caffeine. A Brameier <snakeoil.works wrote: Well, I'm not sure about this. Green tea has caffeine-like alkaloids, theobromine and theophylline. Like caffeine, they tend to be vasoconsticting, though not as much so as coffee. But that may be it's usefulness for HAs, since many HAs are vasodilatory. They are also diuretic, even more so than coffee, and this might be too drying for some. The tannins are known headache triggers and are on the avoid list for people with chronic headaches. Caffeine is in a bit of a class by itself, simply because it is often consumed chronically as tea or coffee. This prolonged consumption can create its own problems, like many addictions or habits. Long term effects can be quite different from occasional use. Because most consider it benign, these effects are often not associated with the caffeine by the consumer. I don't see how adding milk/soy to coffee will change the caffeine effect. I think I've heard that it might change the value of the polyphenols contained in coffee that connoisseurs are raving about, however. Are you telling me you can't tell the difference b/w a regular and a decaf cappuccino? I heard a funny story that a waiter would give customers who were annoying decaf. Why didn't I think of that? ann On Mar 22, 2008, at 12:34 AM, wrote: > Hi Geoff, > > I don't have an answer for your first question, but it is possible > that green tea, just like some of our herbs which do not have > caffeine in them, are upbearing. In fact, green tea is an > ingredient in Chuan Xiong Cha Tiao San, because it helps move the > action of the formula up to the head, for relieving headaches. Some > patients, like myself, are particularly sensitive to upbearing > herbs, and can get headaches or dizziness from them. > > If you're adding anything to your espresso, such as dairy or soy, > that may possibly counteract any action caffeine might have. This > is pure speculation, however. > > > > G Hudson wrote: I had a patient today who > comes in for vaginal itching & discharge. > She noticed that when she drinks tea (black or green) it makes the > itching much worse. She said she thought she had seen somewhere that > the particulate matter in the tea aggrevated the colon or something to > that effect. Anyone heard that before? > > As a personal side note I've had the experience several times (slow > learner) that drinking green tea gives me nystagmus / vertigo. > Espresso is just fine, so it's not the caffeine. > > Geoff > > , ben zappin wrote: > > > > > > Whenever I have someone come in with itching and which might be > related to dryness and/or dampness and heat who mentions they drink > coffee, I alert them to this being a likely aggravant. Whether coffee > is the lynch pin or not for this patient I think it would be worth > challenging by removing it from the diet, including decaf, and seeing > if the intensity diminishes. > > > > Ben > > > > > > : kayte: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:15:31 +0 > > --- > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > including a practitioner's directory and a moderated discussion forum. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 well try it.. haha. It's not LSD, but caffeine has a very recognizable effect to me. Milk or not milk. Time for a 'proving'? 8-) a On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:50 AM, wrote: > Because milk and soy are both heavy, cold and sinking in nature, I > was speculating that these qualities could possibly moderate the > opposite qualities of caffeine. > > > > A Brameier <snakeoil.works wrote: Well, I'm not sure > about this. Green tea has caffeine-like alkaloids, > theobromine and theophylline. Like caffeine, they tend to be > vasoconsticting, though not as much so as coffee. But that may be > it's usefulness for HAs, since many HAs are vasodilatory. They are > also diuretic, even more so than coffee, and this might be too drying > for some. The tannins are known headache triggers and are on the > avoid list for people with chronic headaches. Caffeine is in a bit of > a class by itself, simply because it is often consumed chronically as > tea or coffee. This prolonged consumption can create its own > problems, like many addictions or habits. Long term effects can be > quite different from occasional use. Because most consider it benign, > these effects are often not associated with the caffeine by the > consumer. > > I don't see how adding milk/soy to coffee will change the caffeine > effect. I think I've heard that it might change the value of the > polyphenols contained in coffee that connoisseurs are raving about, > however. Are you telling me you can't tell the difference b/w a > regular and a decaf cappuccino? I heard a funny story that a waiter > would give customers who were annoying decaf. Why didn't I think of > that? > > ann > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 12:34 AM, wrote: > > > Hi Geoff, > > > > I don't have an answer for your first question, but it is possible > > that green tea, just like some of our herbs which do not have > > caffeine in them, are upbearing. In fact, green tea is an > > ingredient in Chuan Xiong Cha Tiao San, because it helps move the > > action of the formula up to the head, for relieving headaches. Some > > patients, like myself, are particularly sensitive to upbearing > > herbs, and can get headaches or dizziness from them. > > > > If you're adding anything to your espresso, such as dairy or soy, > > that may possibly counteract any action caffeine might have. This > > is pure speculation, however. > > > > > > > > G Hudson wrote: I had a patient today who > > comes in for vaginal itching & discharge. > > She noticed that when she drinks tea (black or green) it makes the > > itching much worse. She said she thought she had seen somewhere that > > the particulate matter in the tea aggrevated the colon or > something to > > that effect. Anyone heard that before? > > > > As a personal side note I've had the experience several times (slow > > learner) that drinking green tea gives me nystagmus / vertigo. > > Espresso is just fine, so it's not the caffeine. > > > > Geoff > > > > , ben zappin wrote: > > > > > > > > > Whenever I have someone come in with itching and which might be > > related to dryness and/or dampness and heat who mentions they drink > > coffee, I alert them to this being a likely aggravant. Whether > coffee > > is the lynch pin or not for this patient I think it would be worth > > challenging by removing it from the diet, including decaf, and > seeing > > if the intensity diminishes. > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > : kayte: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 > 23:15:31 +0 > > > > --- > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > > including a practitioner's directory and a moderated discussion > forum. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Yes, caffeine definitely has a recognizeable effect. If I were to describe this effect, I would say it was " quickening " . As for LSD, I will say the most psychedelic experience I ever had with herbs was with shi chang pu. Wow, talk about colors, light, sounds and smells being more vivid, glorious and alive! Life was definitely more vibrant and yummy when I took shi chang pu! (Coffee does not even come close; if it did, I would be tempted to drink a lot of it) lol. A Brameier <snakeoil.works wrote: well try it.. haha. It's not LSD, but caffeine has a very recognizable effect to me. Milk or not milk. Time for a 'proving'? 8-) a On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:50 AM, wrote: > Because milk and soy are both heavy, cold and sinking in nature, I > was speculating that these qualities could possibly moderate the > opposite qualities of caffeine. > > > > A Brameier wrote: Well, I'm not sure > about this. Green tea has caffeine-like alkaloids, > theobromine and theophylline. Like caffeine, they tend to be > vasoconsticting, though not as much so as coffee. But that may be > it's usefulness for HAs, since many HAs are vasodilatory. They are > also diuretic, even more so than coffee, and this might be too drying > for some. The tannins are known headache triggers and are on the > avoid list for people with chronic headaches. Caffeine is in a bit of > a class by itself, simply because it is often consumed chronically as > tea or coffee. This prolonged consumption can create its own > problems, like many addictions or habits. Long term effects can be > quite different from occasional use. Because most consider it benign, > these effects are often not associated with the caffeine by the > consumer. > > I don't see how adding milk/soy to coffee will change the caffeine > effect. I think I've heard that it might change the value of the > polyphenols contained in coffee that connoisseurs are raving about, > however. Are you telling me you can't tell the difference b/w a > regular and a decaf cappuccino? I heard a funny story that a waiter > would give customers who were annoying decaf. Why didn't I think of > that? > > ann > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 12:34 AM, wrote: > > > Hi Geoff, > > > > I don't have an answer for your first question, but it is possible > > that green tea, just like some of our herbs which do not have > > caffeine in them, are upbearing. In fact, green tea is an > > ingredient in Chuan Xiong Cha Tiao San, because it helps move the > > action of the formula up to the head, for relieving headaches. Some > > patients, like myself, are particularly sensitive to upbearing > > herbs, and can get headaches or dizziness from them. > > > > If you're adding anything to your espresso, such as dairy or soy, > > that may possibly counteract any action caffeine might have. This > > is pure speculation, however. > > > > > > > > G Hudson wrote: I had a patient today who > > comes in for vaginal itching & discharge. > > She noticed that when she drinks tea (black or green) it makes the > > itching much worse. She said she thought she had seen somewhere that > > the particulate matter in the tea aggrevated the colon or > something to > > that effect. Anyone heard that before? > > > > As a personal side note I've had the experience several times (slow > > learner) that drinking green tea gives me nystagmus / vertigo. > > Espresso is just fine, so it's not the caffeine. > > > > Geoff > > > > , ben zappin wrote: > > > > > > > > > Whenever I have someone come in with itching and which might be > > related to dryness and/or dampness and heat who mentions they drink > > coffee, I alert them to this being a likely aggravant. Whether > coffee > > is the lynch pin or not for this patient I think it would be worth > > challenging by removing it from the diet, including decaf, and > seeing > > if the intensity diminishes. > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > : kayte: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 > 23:15:31 +0 > > > > --- > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > > including a practitioner's directory and a moderated discussion > forum. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 uh oh... wait till the club kids get hold of it, then it'll be banned and we'll lose another herb....sssh. a On Mar 22, 2008, at 11:13 AM, wrote: > Yes, caffeine definitely has a recognizeable effect. If I were to > describe this effect, I would say it was " quickening " . As for LSD, > I will say the most psychedelic experience I ever had with herbs > was with shi chang pu. Wow, talk about colors, light, sounds and > smells being more vivid, glorious and alive! Life was definitely > more vibrant and yummy when I took shi chang pu! (Coffee does not > even come close; if it did, I would be tempted to drink a lot of > it) lol. > > > > A Brameier <snakeoil.works wrote: well try it.. haha. > > It's not LSD, but caffeine has a very recognizable effect to me. Milk > or not milk. Time for a 'proving'? > > 8-) > > a > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:50 AM, wrote: > > > Because milk and soy are both heavy, cold and sinking in nature, I > > was speculating that these qualities could possibly moderate the > > opposite qualities of caffeine. > > > > > > > > A Brameier wrote: Well, I'm not sure > > about this. Green tea has caffeine-like alkaloids, > > theobromine and theophylline. Like caffeine, they tend to be > > vasoconsticting, though not as much so as coffee. But that may be > > it's usefulness for HAs, since many HAs are vasodilatory. They are > > also diuretic, even more so than coffee, and this might be too > drying > > for some. The tannins are known headache triggers and are on the > > avoid list for people with chronic headaches. Caffeine is in a > bit of > > a class by itself, simply because it is often consumed > chronically as > > tea or coffee. This prolonged consumption can create its own > > problems, like many addictions or habits. Long term effects can be > > quite different from occasional use. Because most consider it > benign, > > these effects are often not associated with the caffeine by the > > consumer. > > > > I don't see how adding milk/soy to coffee will change the caffeine > > effect. I think I've heard that it might change the value of the > > polyphenols contained in coffee that connoisseurs are raving about, > > however. Are you telling me you can't tell the difference b/w a > > regular and a decaf cappuccino? I heard a funny story that a waiter > > would give customers who were annoying decaf. Why didn't I think of > > that? > > > > ann > > > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 12:34 AM, wrote: > > > > > Hi Geoff, > > > > > > I don't have an answer for your first question, but it is possible > > > that green tea, just like some of our herbs which do not have > > > caffeine in them, are upbearing. In fact, green tea is an > > > ingredient in Chuan Xiong Cha Tiao San, because it helps move the > > > action of the formula up to the head, for relieving headaches. > Some > > > patients, like myself, are particularly sensitive to upbearing > > > herbs, and can get headaches or dizziness from them. > > > > > > If you're adding anything to your espresso, such as dairy or soy, > > > that may possibly counteract any action caffeine might have. This > > > is pure speculation, however. > > > > > > > > > > > > G Hudson wrote: I had a patient today who > > > comes in for vaginal itching & discharge. > > > She noticed that when she drinks tea (black or green) it makes the > > > itching much worse. She said she thought she had seen somewhere > that > > > the particulate matter in the tea aggrevated the colon or > > something to > > > that effect. Anyone heard that before? > > > > > > As a personal side note I've had the experience several times > (slow > > > learner) that drinking green tea gives me nystagmus / vertigo. > > > Espresso is just fine, so it's not the caffeine. > > > > > > Geoff > > > > > > , ben zappin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever I have someone come in with itching and which might be > > > related to dryness and/or dampness and heat who mentions they > drink > > > coffee, I alert them to this being a likely aggravant. Whether > > coffee > > > is the lynch pin or not for this patient I think it would be worth > > > challenging by removing it from the diet, including decaf, and > > seeing > > > if the intensity diminishes. > > > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > : kayte: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 > > 23:15:31 +0 > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > > > including a practitioner's directory and a moderated discussion > > forum. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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