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Sometimes reading the Chinese medical journals seems so repetitive,

but every once and a while, I come across something really new (at

least to me). As an example of this, I find the lead article in issue

#6, 2007 of Shi Yong Zhong Yi Nei Ke Za Zhi (Journal of Practical

Internal Medicine) by Huang Yong-sheng et al.

extremely interesting. It discusses the role of " former heaven hidden

cold " evils in the development of coronary heart disease (CHD). In

this article, the authors introduce a study conducted in the

cardiovascular department of the Changchun University of Chinese

Medicine & Pharmacology Affiliated Hospital. Of 2925 patients

examined, 773 or 26.43% presented a " former heaven hidden cold

pattern. " This included 251 males and 522 females aged 23-84 years,

with a median age of 45.11 plus/minus 23.26 years. Twenty-one point

six percent of these patients (167) were diagnosed with CHD.

 

According to the authors, this condition or pattern is due to the

patient's parents' " wedded essence " having a yang qi insufficiency.

Therefore, within the patient's kidneys, there is hidden cold. This

hidden cold damages the body's righteous qi. Because the disease evils

are yin evils, they also obstruct and block the yang qi, thus

repressing and exhausting the qi mechanism. This then leads to the

creation of hidden phlegm, hidden stasis, and qi stagnation. Hence we

have an explanation for all the main standard CM components of CHD.

 

Because of this deep-lying or hidden cold, as teenagers the females

typically suffer from dysmenorrhea, cold feet or cold hands and feet,

while the males also typically manifest cold feet or cold hands and

feet plus lower abdominal pain and/or urinary incontinence. At around

35 for females and 40 for males, these patients commonly present

stomach pain, stomach distention, torpid intake, aversion to chilled

foods, possible acid eructation, and/or burping/belching. At 49 for

females and 64 for males, they then go on to develop chest pain,

recalcitrant cold feet or cold hands and feet, easy fatigue, shortness

of breath, upper back pain, stomach pain and/or distention, and low

back and knee soreness and limpness. The tongue is pale and slightly

cyanotic with teeth-marks on its edges, and the pulse is deep,

bowstring, fine, and weak. Thus the diagnosis of this pattern is based

on the patient's history, their main symptoms, and their tongue and

pulse signs.

 

This discussion is interesting because it seems to account for a

familial predispostion to CHD. It also presents a nice longitudinal

evolution of symptomology over decades. This is something CM is

theoretically good at but which often gets overlooked in the press to

deal with current symptoms. When discussing hidden evils in general,

most of the emphasis in the contemporary Chinese literature seems to

me to be on hidden warm or damp heat evils, but here we have a

discussion of hidden cold evils. Likewise, when discussing warm or

damp heat evils, these mostly are described as hiding in the blood

aspect, but here the authors say these cold hidden evils are harbored

in the kidneys. So this article adds a number of new ideas at least to

the available English language literature on hidden evils: 1) There do

exist hidden cold evils, and 2) these evils can hide in the viscera

and bowels, not just the blood aspect. Further, in talking about

hidden evils in general, the authors say that they cause diseases with

serious (literally " heavy " ) pathology. The seat or location of the

disease is deep, its course is long, the disease is not easy to see,

and it is difficult to cure.

 

All interesting food for thought.

 

Bob

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So interesting, so full of places to asking about; congenitve, a woman's

exposure during pregnancy, male preparation for conception, of course

astrological, i guess, thanks. Recently I was reading about in western med

reviews, how some researchers were finding pathogens or tendencies to ailments,

passed along matriarchial lines over a couple generations, and personally from a

tcm perspective, how it makes even more sense. I'm still fascinated and

wondering about it all, but thanks teacher, I'd love to hear yours and others

thoughts about this. pls

 

 

Bob Flaws <pemachophel2001 wrote:

Sometimes reading the Chinese medical journals seems so repetitive,

but every once and a while, I come across something really new (at

least to me). As an example of this, I find the lead article in issue

#6, 2007 of Shi Yong Zhong Yi Nei Ke Za Zhi (Journal of Practical

Internal Medicine) by Huang Yong-sheng et al.

extremely interesting. It discusses the role of " former heaven hidden

cold " evils in the development of coronary heart disease (CHD). In

this article, the authors introduce a study conducted in the

cardiovascular department of the Changchun University of Chinese

Medicine & Pharmacology Affiliated Hospital. Of 2925 patients

examined, 773 or 26.43% presented a " former heaven hidden cold

pattern. " This included 251 males and 522 females aged 23-84 years,

with a median age of 45.11 plus/minus 23.26 years. Twenty-one point

six percent of these patients (167) were diagnosed with CHD.

 

According to the authors, this condition or pattern is due to the

patient's parents' " wedded essence " having a yang qi insufficiency.

Therefore, within the patient's kidneys, there is hidden cold. This

hidden cold damages the body's righteous qi. Because the disease evils

are yin evils, they also obstruct and block the yang qi, thus

repressing and exhausting the qi mechanism. This then leads to the

creation of hidden phlegm, hidden stasis, and qi stagnation. Hence we

have an explanation for all the main standard CM components of CHD.

 

Because of this deep-lying or hidden cold, as teenagers the females

typically suffer from dysmenorrhea, cold feet or cold hands and feet,

while the males also typically manifest cold feet or cold hands and

feet plus lower abdominal pain and/or urinary incontinence. At around

35 for females and 40 for males, these patients commonly present

stomach pain, stomach distention, torpid intake, aversion to chilled

foods, possible acid eructation, and/or burping/belching. At 49 for

females and 64 for males, they then go on to develop chest pain,

recalcitrant cold feet or cold hands and feet, easy fatigue, shortness

of breath, upper back pain, stomach pain and/or distention, and low

back and knee soreness and limpness. The tongue is pale and slightly

cyanotic with teeth-marks on its edges, and the pulse is deep,

bowstring, fine, and weak. Thus the diagnosis of this pattern is based

on the patient's history, their main symptoms, and their tongue and

pulse signs.

 

This discussion is interesting because it seems to account for a

familial predispostion to CHD. It also presents a nice longitudinal

evolution of symptomology over decades. This is something CM is

theoretically good at but which often gets overlooked in the press to

deal with current symptoms. When discussing hidden evils in general,

most of the emphasis in the contemporary Chinese literature seems to

me to be on hidden warm or damp heat evils, but here we have a

discussion of hidden cold evils. Likewise, when discussing warm or

damp heat evils, these mostly are described as hiding in the blood

aspect, but here the authors say these cold hidden evils are harbored

in the kidneys. So this article adds a number of new ideas at least to

the available English language literature on hidden evils: 1) There do

exist hidden cold evils, and 2) these evils can hide in the viscera

and bowels, not just the blood aspect. Further, in talking about

hidden evils in general, the authors say that they cause diseases with

serious (literally " heavy " ) pathology. The seat or location of the

disease is deep, its course is long, the disease is not easy to see,

and it is difficult to cure.

 

All interesting food for thought.

 

Bob

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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yes, pretty cool (pardon the pun) .... almost like Jeffery Yuen in its

approach. Is this hidden cold that they describe taken from other

sources or is it the creation of these authors? How much of their idea

of cold overlaps with a more standard explanation of Kidney Jing Xu?

Doug

 

 

, " Bob Flaws "

<pemachophel2001 wrote:

>

> Sometimes reading the Chinese medical journals seems so repetitive,

> but every once and a while, I come across something really new (at

> least to me). As an example of this, I find the lead article in issue

> #6, 2007 of Shi Yong Zhong Yi Nei Ke Za Zhi (Journal of Practical

> Internal Medicine) by Huang Yong-sheng et al.

> extremely interesting. It discusses the role of " former heaven hidden

> cold " evils in the development of coronary heart disease (CHD). In

> this article, the authors introduce a study conducted in the

> cardiovascular department of the Changchun University of Chinese

> Medicine & Pharmacology Affiliated Hospital. Of 2925 patients

> examined, 773 or 26.43% presented a " former heaven hidden cold

> pattern. " This included 251 males and 522 females aged 23-84 years,

> with a median age of 45.11 plus/minus 23.26 years. Twenty-one point

> six percent of these patients (167) were diagnosed with CHD.

>

> According to the authors, this condition or pattern is due to the

> patient's parents' " wedded essence " having a yang qi insufficiency.

> Therefore, within the patient's kidneys, there is hidden cold. This

> hidden cold damages the body's righteous qi. Because the disease evils

> are yin evils, they also obstruct and block the yang qi, thus

> repressing and exhausting the qi mechanism. This then leads to the

> creation of hidden phlegm, hidden stasis, and qi stagnation. Hence we

> have an explanation for all the main standard CM components of CHD.

>

> Because of this deep-lying or hidden cold, as teenagers the females

> typically suffer from dysmenorrhea, cold feet or cold hands and feet,

> while the males also typically manifest cold feet or cold hands and

> feet plus lower abdominal pain and/or urinary incontinence. At around

> 35 for females and 40 for males, these patients commonly present

> stomach pain, stomach distention, torpid intake, aversion to chilled

> foods, possible acid eructation, and/or burping/belching. At 49 for

> females and 64 for males, they then go on to develop chest pain,

> recalcitrant cold feet or cold hands and feet, easy fatigue, shortness

> of breath, upper back pain, stomach pain and/or distention, and low

> back and knee soreness and limpness. The tongue is pale and slightly

> cyanotic with teeth-marks on its edges, and the pulse is deep,

> bowstring, fine, and weak. Thus the diagnosis of this pattern is based

> on the patient's history, their main symptoms, and their tongue and

> pulse signs.

>

> This discussion is interesting because it seems to account for a

> familial predispostion to CHD. It also presents a nice longitudinal

> evolution of symptomology over decades. This is something CM is

> theoretically good at but which often gets overlooked in the press to

> deal with current symptoms. When discussing hidden evils in general,

> most of the emphasis in the contemporary Chinese literature seems to

> me to be on hidden warm or damp heat evils, but here we have a

> discussion of hidden cold evils. Likewise, when discussing warm or

> damp heat evils, these mostly are described as hiding in the blood

> aspect, but here the authors say these cold hidden evils are harbored

> in the kidneys. So this article adds a number of new ideas at least to

> the available English language literature on hidden evils: 1) There do

> exist hidden cold evils, and 2) these evils can hide in the viscera

> and bowels, not just the blood aspect. Further, in talking about

> hidden evils in general, the authors say that they cause diseases with

> serious (literally " heavy " ) pathology. The seat or location of the

> disease is deep, its course is long, the disease is not easy to see,

> and it is difficult to cure.

>

> All interesting food for thought.

>

> Bob

>

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Yes, the authors do quote seveal 19th century books devoted to hidden

evil theory and practice. Unfortunately, I have never even seen

Chinese versions of the cited titles let alone English translations.

This does suggest that there is a larger Chinese literature on this

topic out there than I originally thought. I will now be keeping my

eyes open for these titles in the future.

 

Bob

 

, " "

wrote:

>

> yes, pretty cool (pardon the pun) .... almost like Jeffery Yuen in its

> approach. Is this hidden cold that they describe taken from other

> sources or is it the creation of these authors? How much of their idea

> of cold overlaps with a more standard explanation of Kidney Jing Xu?

> Doug

>

>

> , " Bob Flaws "

> <pemachophel2001@> wrote:

> >

> > Sometimes reading the Chinese medical journals seems so repetitive,

> > but every once and a while, I come across something really new (at

> > least to me). As an example of this, I find the lead article in issue

> > #6, 2007 of Shi Yong Zhong Yi Nei Ke Za Zhi (Journal of Practical

> > Internal Medicine) by Huang Yong-sheng et al.

> > extremely interesting. It discusses the role of " former heaven hidden

> > cold " evils in the development of coronary heart disease (CHD). In

> > this article, the authors introduce a study conducted in the

> > cardiovascular department of the Changchun University of Chinese

> > Medicine & Pharmacology Affiliated Hospital. Of 2925 patients

> > examined, 773 or 26.43% presented a " former heaven hidden cold

> > pattern. " This included 251 males and 522 females aged 23-84 years,

> > with a median age of 45.11 plus/minus 23.26 years. Twenty-one point

> > six percent of these patients (167) were diagnosed with CHD.

> >

> > According to the authors, this condition or pattern is due to the

> > patient's parents' " wedded essence " having a yang qi insufficiency.

> > Therefore, within the patient's kidneys, there is hidden cold. This

> > hidden cold damages the body's righteous qi. Because the disease evils

> > are yin evils, they also obstruct and block the yang qi, thus

> > repressing and exhausting the qi mechanism. This then leads to the

> > creation of hidden phlegm, hidden stasis, and qi stagnation. Hence we

> > have an explanation for all the main standard CM components of CHD.

> >

> > Because of this deep-lying or hidden cold, as teenagers the females

> > typically suffer from dysmenorrhea, cold feet or cold hands and feet,

> > while the males also typically manifest cold feet or cold hands and

> > feet plus lower abdominal pain and/or urinary incontinence. At around

> > 35 for females and 40 for males, these patients commonly present

> > stomach pain, stomach distention, torpid intake, aversion to chilled

> > foods, possible acid eructation, and/or burping/belching. At 49 for

> > females and 64 for males, they then go on to develop chest pain,

> > recalcitrant cold feet or cold hands and feet, easy fatigue, shortness

> > of breath, upper back pain, stomach pain and/or distention, and low

> > back and knee soreness and limpness. The tongue is pale and slightly

> > cyanotic with teeth-marks on its edges, and the pulse is deep,

> > bowstring, fine, and weak. Thus the diagnosis of this pattern is based

> > on the patient's history, their main symptoms, and their tongue and

> > pulse signs.

> >

> > This discussion is interesting because it seems to account for a

> > familial predispostion to CHD. It also presents a nice longitudinal

> > evolution of symptomology over decades. This is something CM is

> > theoretically good at but which often gets overlooked in the press to

> > deal with current symptoms. When discussing hidden evils in general,

> > most of the emphasis in the contemporary Chinese literature seems to

> > me to be on hidden warm or damp heat evils, but here we have a

> > discussion of hidden cold evils. Likewise, when discussing warm or

> > damp heat evils, these mostly are described as hiding in the blood

> > aspect, but here the authors say these cold hidden evils are harbored

> > in the kidneys. So this article adds a number of new ideas at least to

> > the available English language literature on hidden evils: 1) There do

> > exist hidden cold evils, and 2) these evils can hide in the viscera

> > and bowels, not just the blood aspect. Further, in talking about

> > hidden evils in general, the authors say that they cause diseases with

> > serious (literally " heavy " ) pathology. The seat or location of the

> > disease is deep, its course is long, the disease is not easy to see,

> > and it is difficult to cure.

> >

> > All interesting food for thought.

> >

> > Bob

> >

>

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thanks. I was wondering for a second if you were maybe pulling a little joke.

But that's really fascinating.

 

Bob Flaws <pemachophel2001 wrote: Yes,

the authors do quote seveal 19th century books devoted to hidden

evil theory and practice. Unfortunately, I have never even seen

Chinese versions of the cited titles let alone English translations.

This does suggest that there is a larger Chinese literature on this

topic out there than I originally thought. I will now be keeping my

eyes open for these titles in the future.

 

Bob

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Also I wondered, is there any correlation between the existence and transmission

of this disease, and the age of the parents at conception. In other words, does

it have anything to do with the parents having children early in their marriage,

or later? Thanks again.

 

Bob Flaws <pemachophel2001 wrote:

Sometimes reading the Chinese medical journals seems so repetitive,

but every once and a while, I come across something really new (at

least to me). As an example of this, I find the lead article in issue

#6, 2007 of Shi Yong Zhong Yi Nei Ke Za Zhi (Journal of Practical

Internal Medicine) by Huang Yong-sheng et al.

extremely interesting. It discusses the role of " former heaven hidden

cold " evils in the development of coronary heart disease (CHD). In

this article, the authors introduce a study conducted in the

cardiovascular department of the Changchun University of Chinese

Medicine & Pharmacology Affiliated Hospital. Of 2925 patients

examined, 773 or 26.43% presented a " former heaven hidden cold

pattern. " This included 251 males and 522 females aged 23-84 years,

with a median age of 45.11 plus/minus 23.26 years. Twenty-one point

six percent of these patients (167) were diagnosed with CHD.

 

According to the authors, this condition or pattern is due to the

patient's parents' " wedded essence " having a yang qi insufficiency.

Therefore, within the patient's kidneys, there is hidden cold. This

hidden cold damages the body's righteous qi. Because the disease evils

are yin evils, they also obstruct and block the yang qi, thus

repressing and exhausting the qi mechanism. This then leads to the

creation of hidden phlegm, hidden stasis, and qi stagnation. Hence we

have an explanation for all the main standard CM components of CHD.

 

Because of this deep-lying or hidden cold, as teenagers the females

typically suffer from dysmenorrhea, cold feet or cold hands and feet,

while the males also typically manifest cold feet or cold hands and

feet plus lower abdominal pain and/or urinary incontinence. At around

35 for females and 40 for males, these patients commonly present

stomach pain, stomach distention, torpid intake, aversion to chilled

foods, possible acid eructation, and/or burping/belching. At 49 for

females and 64 for males, they then go on to develop chest pain,

recalcitrant cold feet or cold hands and feet, easy fatigue, shortness

of breath, upper back pain, stomach pain and/or distention, and low

back and knee soreness and limpness. The tongue is pale and slightly

cyanotic with teeth-marks on its edges, and the pulse is deep,

bowstring, fine, and weak. Thus the diagnosis of this pattern is based

on the patient's history, their main symptoms, and their tongue and

pulse signs.

 

This discussion is interesting because it seems to account for a

familial predispostion to CHD. It also presents a nice longitudinal

evolution of symptomology over decades. This is something CM is

theoretically good at but which often gets overlooked in the press to

deal with current symptoms. When discussing hidden evils in general,

most of the emphasis in the contemporary Chinese literature seems to

me to be on hidden warm or damp heat evils, but here we have a

discussion of hidden cold evils. Likewise, when discussing warm or

damp heat evils, these mostly are described as hiding in the blood

aspect, but here the authors say these cold hidden evils are harbored

in the kidneys. So this article adds a number of new ideas at least to

the available English language literature on hidden evils: 1) There do

exist hidden cold evils, and 2) these evils can hide in the viscera

and bowels, not just the blood aspect. Further, in talking about

hidden evils in general, the authors say that they cause diseases with

serious (literally " heavy " ) pathology. The seat or location of the

disease is deep, its course is long, the disease is not easy to see,

and it is difficult to cure.

 

All interesting food for thought.

 

Bob

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Bob,

 

This is fascinating. I have a somewhat different group of CHD patients who

may have hidden cold factors, but don't necessarily run cold. They usually

have a chronic lifelong low blood pressure, although frequently obese. It

generally tests in the low end of normal but they lack qi, are fatigued, show

Spleen xu and frequently Kidney xu symptoms. I have suspected that the

" normal " blood pressure on someone who might need more pressure to push blood

through a large body might be somewhat pathologic. As they age they seem to

show

combination yin and qi deficiency or yin and yang deficiency. The deficient

heat may trump the cold symptoms, but I suspect there is cold there as well.

Any comments?

 

 

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Registered Herbalist (AHG)

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Brooklyn, NY 11215

 

(718) 622-6755

 

 

 

 

 

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No information on this included in the article.

 

Bob

 

, mystir <ykcul_ritsym

wrote:

>

> Also I wondered, is there any correlation between the existence and

transmission of this disease, and the age of the parents at

conception. In other words, does it have anything to do with the

parents having children early in their marriage, or later? Thanks again.

>

> Bob Flaws <pemachophel2001 wrote:

Sometimes reading the Chinese medical journals seems so repetitive,

> but every once and a while, I come across something really new (at

> least to me). As an example of this, I find the lead article in issue

> #6, 2007 of Shi Yong Zhong Yi Nei Ke Za Zhi (Journal of Practical

> Internal Medicine) by Huang Yong-sheng et al.

> extremely interesting. It discusses the role of " former heaven hidden

> cold " evils in the development of coronary heart disease (CHD). In

> this article, the authors introduce a study conducted in the

> cardiovascular department of the Changchun University of Chinese

> Medicine & Pharmacology Affiliated Hospital. Of 2925 patients

> examined, 773 or 26.43% presented a " former heaven hidden cold

> pattern. " This included 251 males and 522 females aged 23-84 years,

> with a median age of 45.11 plus/minus 23.26 years. Twenty-one point

> six percent of these patients (167) were diagnosed with CHD.

>

> According to the authors, this condition or pattern is due to the

> patient's parents' " wedded essence " having a yang qi insufficiency.

> Therefore, within the patient's kidneys, there is hidden cold. This

> hidden cold damages the body's righteous qi. Because the disease evils

> are yin evils, they also obstruct and block the yang qi, thus

> repressing and exhausting the qi mechanism. This then leads to the

> creation of hidden phlegm, hidden stasis, and qi stagnation. Hence we

> have an explanation for all the main standard CM components of CHD.

>

> Because of this deep-lying or hidden cold, as teenagers the females

> typically suffer from dysmenorrhea, cold feet or cold hands and feet,

> while the males also typically manifest cold feet or cold hands and

> feet plus lower abdominal pain and/or urinary incontinence. At around

> 35 for females and 40 for males, these patients commonly present

> stomach pain, stomach distention, torpid intake, aversion to chilled

> foods, possible acid eructation, and/or burping/belching. At 49 for

> females and 64 for males, they then go on to develop chest pain,

> recalcitrant cold feet or cold hands and feet, easy fatigue, shortness

> of breath, upper back pain, stomach pain and/or distention, and low

> back and knee soreness and limpness. The tongue is pale and slightly

> cyanotic with teeth-marks on its edges, and the pulse is deep,

> bowstring, fine, and weak. Thus the diagnosis of this pattern is based

> on the patient's history, their main symptoms, and their tongue and

> pulse signs.

>

> This discussion is interesting because it seems to account for a

> familial predispostion to CHD. It also presents a nice longitudinal

> evolution of symptomology over decades. This is something CM is

> theoretically good at but which often gets overlooked in the press to

> deal with current symptoms. When discussing hidden evils in general,

> most of the emphasis in the contemporary Chinese literature seems to

> me to be on hidden warm or damp heat evils, but here we have a

> discussion of hidden cold evils. Likewise, when discussing warm or

> damp heat evils, these mostly are described as hiding in the blood

> aspect, but here the authors say these cold hidden evils are harbored

> in the kidneys. So this article adds a number of new ideas at least to

> the available English language literature on hidden evils: 1) There do

> exist hidden cold evils, and 2) these evils can hide in the viscera

> and bowels, not just the blood aspect. Further, in talking about

> hidden evils in general, the authors say that they cause diseases with

> serious (literally " heavy " ) pathology. The seat or location of the

> disease is deep, its course is long, the disease is not easy to see,

> and it is difficult to cure.

>

> All interesting food for thought.

>

> Bob

>

>

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The contemporary Chinese literature is unanimous in saying that low BP

is due to spleen qi vacuity (and then any evolution or complication of

that).

 

Based on Chinese medicine's vision of health and disease in turn based

on the Confucian doctrine of the mean (zhong yong), low blood pressure

is pathological. While its pathological effects may not be as dramatic

and obvious as high BP, they are there nonetheless. The pathologies of

low BP are those due to spleen qi vacuity and all its evolutions and

complications.

 

Bob

 

, creationsgarden1 wrote:

>

> Bob,

>

> This is fascinating. I have a somewhat different group of CHD

patients who

> may have hidden cold factors, but don't necessarily run cold. They

usually

> have a chronic lifelong low blood pressure, although frequently

obese. It

> generally tests in the low end of normal but they lack qi, are

fatigued, show

> Spleen xu and frequently Kidney xu symptoms. I have suspected that

the

> " normal " blood pressure on someone who might need more pressure to

push blood

> through a large body might be somewhat pathologic. As they age

they seem to show

> combination yin and qi deficiency or yin and yang deficiency. The

deficient

> heat may trump the cold symptoms, but I suspect there is cold there

as well.

> Any comments?

>

>

> Karen S. Vaughan, L.Ac., MSTOM

> Registered Herbalist (AHG)

> Creationsgarden1

> 253 Garfield Place

> Brooklyn, NY 11215

>

> (718) 622-6755

>

>

>

>

>

> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money &

> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850)

>

>

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