Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Sometimes reading the Chinese medical journals seems so repetitive, but every once and a while, I come across something really new (at least to me). As an example of this, I find the lead article in issue #6, 2007 of Shi Yong Zhong Yi Nei Ke Za Zhi (Journal of Practical Internal Medicine) by Huang Yong-sheng et al. extremely interesting. It discusses the role of " former heaven hidden cold " evils in the development of coronary heart disease (CHD). In this article, the authors introduce a study conducted in the cardiovascular department of the Changchun University of Chinese Medicine & Pharmacology Affiliated Hospital. Of 2925 patients examined, 773 or 26.43% presented a " former heaven hidden cold pattern. " This included 251 males and 522 females aged 23-84 years, with a median age of 45.11 plus/minus 23.26 years. Twenty-one point six percent of these patients (167) were diagnosed with CHD. According to the authors, this condition or pattern is due to the patient's parents' " wedded essence " having a yang qi insufficiency. Therefore, within the patient's kidneys, there is hidden cold. This hidden cold damages the body's righteous qi. Because the disease evils are yin evils, they also obstruct and block the yang qi, thus repressing and exhausting the qi mechanism. This then leads to the creation of hidden phlegm, hidden stasis, and qi stagnation. Hence we have an explanation for all the main standard CM components of CHD. Because of this deep-lying or hidden cold, as teenagers the females typically suffer from dysmenorrhea, cold feet or cold hands and feet, while the males also typically manifest cold feet or cold hands and feet plus lower abdominal pain and/or urinary incontinence. At around 35 for females and 40 for males, these patients commonly present stomach pain, stomach distention, torpid intake, aversion to chilled foods, possible acid eructation, and/or burping/belching. At 49 for females and 64 for males, they then go on to develop chest pain, recalcitrant cold feet or cold hands and feet, easy fatigue, shortness of breath, upper back pain, stomach pain and/or distention, and low back and knee soreness and limpness. The tongue is pale and slightly cyanotic with teeth-marks on its edges, and the pulse is deep, bowstring, fine, and weak. Thus the diagnosis of this pattern is based on the patient's history, their main symptoms, and their tongue and pulse signs. This discussion is interesting because it seems to account for a familial predispostion to CHD. It also presents a nice longitudinal evolution of symptomology over decades. This is something CM is theoretically good at but which often gets overlooked in the press to deal with current symptoms. When discussing hidden evils in general, most of the emphasis in the contemporary Chinese literature seems to me to be on hidden warm or damp heat evils, but here we have a discussion of hidden cold evils. Likewise, when discussing warm or damp heat evils, these mostly are described as hiding in the blood aspect, but here the authors say these cold hidden evils are harbored in the kidneys. So this article adds a number of new ideas at least to the available English language literature on hidden evils: 1) There do exist hidden cold evils, and 2) these evils can hide in the viscera and bowels, not just the blood aspect. Further, in talking about hidden evils in general, the authors say that they cause diseases with serious (literally " heavy " ) pathology. The seat or location of the disease is deep, its course is long, the disease is not easy to see, and it is difficult to cure. All interesting food for thought. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 So interesting, so full of places to asking about; congenitve, a woman's exposure during pregnancy, male preparation for conception, of course astrological, i guess, thanks. Recently I was reading about in western med reviews, how some researchers were finding pathogens or tendencies to ailments, passed along matriarchial lines over a couple generations, and personally from a tcm perspective, how it makes even more sense. I'm still fascinated and wondering about it all, but thanks teacher, I'd love to hear yours and others thoughts about this. pls Bob Flaws <pemachophel2001 wrote: Sometimes reading the Chinese medical journals seems so repetitive, but every once and a while, I come across something really new (at least to me). As an example of this, I find the lead article in issue #6, 2007 of Shi Yong Zhong Yi Nei Ke Za Zhi (Journal of Practical Internal Medicine) by Huang Yong-sheng et al. extremely interesting. It discusses the role of " former heaven hidden cold " evils in the development of coronary heart disease (CHD). In this article, the authors introduce a study conducted in the cardiovascular department of the Changchun University of Chinese Medicine & Pharmacology Affiliated Hospital. Of 2925 patients examined, 773 or 26.43% presented a " former heaven hidden cold pattern. " This included 251 males and 522 females aged 23-84 years, with a median age of 45.11 plus/minus 23.26 years. Twenty-one point six percent of these patients (167) were diagnosed with CHD. According to the authors, this condition or pattern is due to the patient's parents' " wedded essence " having a yang qi insufficiency. Therefore, within the patient's kidneys, there is hidden cold. This hidden cold damages the body's righteous qi. Because the disease evils are yin evils, they also obstruct and block the yang qi, thus repressing and exhausting the qi mechanism. This then leads to the creation of hidden phlegm, hidden stasis, and qi stagnation. Hence we have an explanation for all the main standard CM components of CHD. Because of this deep-lying or hidden cold, as teenagers the females typically suffer from dysmenorrhea, cold feet or cold hands and feet, while the males also typically manifest cold feet or cold hands and feet plus lower abdominal pain and/or urinary incontinence. At around 35 for females and 40 for males, these patients commonly present stomach pain, stomach distention, torpid intake, aversion to chilled foods, possible acid eructation, and/or burping/belching. At 49 for females and 64 for males, they then go on to develop chest pain, recalcitrant cold feet or cold hands and feet, easy fatigue, shortness of breath, upper back pain, stomach pain and/or distention, and low back and knee soreness and limpness. The tongue is pale and slightly cyanotic with teeth-marks on its edges, and the pulse is deep, bowstring, fine, and weak. Thus the diagnosis of this pattern is based on the patient's history, their main symptoms, and their tongue and pulse signs. This discussion is interesting because it seems to account for a familial predispostion to CHD. It also presents a nice longitudinal evolution of symptomology over decades. This is something CM is theoretically good at but which often gets overlooked in the press to deal with current symptoms. When discussing hidden evils in general, most of the emphasis in the contemporary Chinese literature seems to me to be on hidden warm or damp heat evils, but here we have a discussion of hidden cold evils. Likewise, when discussing warm or damp heat evils, these mostly are described as hiding in the blood aspect, but here the authors say these cold hidden evils are harbored in the kidneys. So this article adds a number of new ideas at least to the available English language literature on hidden evils: 1) There do exist hidden cold evils, and 2) these evils can hide in the viscera and bowels, not just the blood aspect. Further, in talking about hidden evils in general, the authors say that they cause diseases with serious (literally " heavy " ) pathology. The seat or location of the disease is deep, its course is long, the disease is not easy to see, and it is difficult to cure. All interesting food for thought. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 yes, pretty cool (pardon the pun) .... almost like Jeffery Yuen in its approach. Is this hidden cold that they describe taken from other sources or is it the creation of these authors? How much of their idea of cold overlaps with a more standard explanation of Kidney Jing Xu? Doug , " Bob Flaws " <pemachophel2001 wrote: > > Sometimes reading the Chinese medical journals seems so repetitive, > but every once and a while, I come across something really new (at > least to me). As an example of this, I find the lead article in issue > #6, 2007 of Shi Yong Zhong Yi Nei Ke Za Zhi (Journal of Practical > Internal Medicine) by Huang Yong-sheng et al. > extremely interesting. It discusses the role of " former heaven hidden > cold " evils in the development of coronary heart disease (CHD). In > this article, the authors introduce a study conducted in the > cardiovascular department of the Changchun University of Chinese > Medicine & Pharmacology Affiliated Hospital. Of 2925 patients > examined, 773 or 26.43% presented a " former heaven hidden cold > pattern. " This included 251 males and 522 females aged 23-84 years, > with a median age of 45.11 plus/minus 23.26 years. Twenty-one point > six percent of these patients (167) were diagnosed with CHD. > > According to the authors, this condition or pattern is due to the > patient's parents' " wedded essence " having a yang qi insufficiency. > Therefore, within the patient's kidneys, there is hidden cold. This > hidden cold damages the body's righteous qi. Because the disease evils > are yin evils, they also obstruct and block the yang qi, thus > repressing and exhausting the qi mechanism. This then leads to the > creation of hidden phlegm, hidden stasis, and qi stagnation. Hence we > have an explanation for all the main standard CM components of CHD. > > Because of this deep-lying or hidden cold, as teenagers the females > typically suffer from dysmenorrhea, cold feet or cold hands and feet, > while the males also typically manifest cold feet or cold hands and > feet plus lower abdominal pain and/or urinary incontinence. At around > 35 for females and 40 for males, these patients commonly present > stomach pain, stomach distention, torpid intake, aversion to chilled > foods, possible acid eructation, and/or burping/belching. At 49 for > females and 64 for males, they then go on to develop chest pain, > recalcitrant cold feet or cold hands and feet, easy fatigue, shortness > of breath, upper back pain, stomach pain and/or distention, and low > back and knee soreness and limpness. The tongue is pale and slightly > cyanotic with teeth-marks on its edges, and the pulse is deep, > bowstring, fine, and weak. Thus the diagnosis of this pattern is based > on the patient's history, their main symptoms, and their tongue and > pulse signs. > > This discussion is interesting because it seems to account for a > familial predispostion to CHD. It also presents a nice longitudinal > evolution of symptomology over decades. This is something CM is > theoretically good at but which often gets overlooked in the press to > deal with current symptoms. When discussing hidden evils in general, > most of the emphasis in the contemporary Chinese literature seems to > me to be on hidden warm or damp heat evils, but here we have a > discussion of hidden cold evils. Likewise, when discussing warm or > damp heat evils, these mostly are described as hiding in the blood > aspect, but here the authors say these cold hidden evils are harbored > in the kidneys. So this article adds a number of new ideas at least to > the available English language literature on hidden evils: 1) There do > exist hidden cold evils, and 2) these evils can hide in the viscera > and bowels, not just the blood aspect. Further, in talking about > hidden evils in general, the authors say that they cause diseases with > serious (literally " heavy " ) pathology. The seat or location of the > disease is deep, its course is long, the disease is not easy to see, > and it is difficult to cure. > > All interesting food for thought. > > Bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Yes, the authors do quote seveal 19th century books devoted to hidden evil theory and practice. Unfortunately, I have never even seen Chinese versions of the cited titles let alone English translations. This does suggest that there is a larger Chinese literature on this topic out there than I originally thought. I will now be keeping my eyes open for these titles in the future. Bob , " " wrote: > > yes, pretty cool (pardon the pun) .... almost like Jeffery Yuen in its > approach. Is this hidden cold that they describe taken from other > sources or is it the creation of these authors? How much of their idea > of cold overlaps with a more standard explanation of Kidney Jing Xu? > Doug > > > , " Bob Flaws " > <pemachophel2001@> wrote: > > > > Sometimes reading the Chinese medical journals seems so repetitive, > > but every once and a while, I come across something really new (at > > least to me). As an example of this, I find the lead article in issue > > #6, 2007 of Shi Yong Zhong Yi Nei Ke Za Zhi (Journal of Practical > > Internal Medicine) by Huang Yong-sheng et al. > > extremely interesting. It discusses the role of " former heaven hidden > > cold " evils in the development of coronary heart disease (CHD). In > > this article, the authors introduce a study conducted in the > > cardiovascular department of the Changchun University of Chinese > > Medicine & Pharmacology Affiliated Hospital. Of 2925 patients > > examined, 773 or 26.43% presented a " former heaven hidden cold > > pattern. " This included 251 males and 522 females aged 23-84 years, > > with a median age of 45.11 plus/minus 23.26 years. Twenty-one point > > six percent of these patients (167) were diagnosed with CHD. > > > > According to the authors, this condition or pattern is due to the > > patient's parents' " wedded essence " having a yang qi insufficiency. > > Therefore, within the patient's kidneys, there is hidden cold. This > > hidden cold damages the body's righteous qi. Because the disease evils > > are yin evils, they also obstruct and block the yang qi, thus > > repressing and exhausting the qi mechanism. This then leads to the > > creation of hidden phlegm, hidden stasis, and qi stagnation. Hence we > > have an explanation for all the main standard CM components of CHD. > > > > Because of this deep-lying or hidden cold, as teenagers the females > > typically suffer from dysmenorrhea, cold feet or cold hands and feet, > > while the males also typically manifest cold feet or cold hands and > > feet plus lower abdominal pain and/or urinary incontinence. At around > > 35 for females and 40 for males, these patients commonly present > > stomach pain, stomach distention, torpid intake, aversion to chilled > > foods, possible acid eructation, and/or burping/belching. At 49 for > > females and 64 for males, they then go on to develop chest pain, > > recalcitrant cold feet or cold hands and feet, easy fatigue, shortness > > of breath, upper back pain, stomach pain and/or distention, and low > > back and knee soreness and limpness. The tongue is pale and slightly > > cyanotic with teeth-marks on its edges, and the pulse is deep, > > bowstring, fine, and weak. Thus the diagnosis of this pattern is based > > on the patient's history, their main symptoms, and their tongue and > > pulse signs. > > > > This discussion is interesting because it seems to account for a > > familial predispostion to CHD. It also presents a nice longitudinal > > evolution of symptomology over decades. This is something CM is > > theoretically good at but which often gets overlooked in the press to > > deal with current symptoms. When discussing hidden evils in general, > > most of the emphasis in the contemporary Chinese literature seems to > > me to be on hidden warm or damp heat evils, but here we have a > > discussion of hidden cold evils. Likewise, when discussing warm or > > damp heat evils, these mostly are described as hiding in the blood > > aspect, but here the authors say these cold hidden evils are harbored > > in the kidneys. So this article adds a number of new ideas at least to > > the available English language literature on hidden evils: 1) There do > > exist hidden cold evils, and 2) these evils can hide in the viscera > > and bowels, not just the blood aspect. Further, in talking about > > hidden evils in general, the authors say that they cause diseases with > > serious (literally " heavy " ) pathology. The seat or location of the > > disease is deep, its course is long, the disease is not easy to see, > > and it is difficult to cure. > > > > All interesting food for thought. > > > > Bob > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 thanks. I was wondering for a second if you were maybe pulling a little joke. But that's really fascinating. Bob Flaws <pemachophel2001 wrote: Yes, the authors do quote seveal 19th century books devoted to hidden evil theory and practice. Unfortunately, I have never even seen Chinese versions of the cited titles let alone English translations. This does suggest that there is a larger Chinese literature on this topic out there than I originally thought. I will now be keeping my eyes open for these titles in the future. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Also I wondered, is there any correlation between the existence and transmission of this disease, and the age of the parents at conception. In other words, does it have anything to do with the parents having children early in their marriage, or later? Thanks again. Bob Flaws <pemachophel2001 wrote: Sometimes reading the Chinese medical journals seems so repetitive, but every once and a while, I come across something really new (at least to me). As an example of this, I find the lead article in issue #6, 2007 of Shi Yong Zhong Yi Nei Ke Za Zhi (Journal of Practical Internal Medicine) by Huang Yong-sheng et al. extremely interesting. It discusses the role of " former heaven hidden cold " evils in the development of coronary heart disease (CHD). In this article, the authors introduce a study conducted in the cardiovascular department of the Changchun University of Chinese Medicine & Pharmacology Affiliated Hospital. Of 2925 patients examined, 773 or 26.43% presented a " former heaven hidden cold pattern. " This included 251 males and 522 females aged 23-84 years, with a median age of 45.11 plus/minus 23.26 years. Twenty-one point six percent of these patients (167) were diagnosed with CHD. According to the authors, this condition or pattern is due to the patient's parents' " wedded essence " having a yang qi insufficiency. Therefore, within the patient's kidneys, there is hidden cold. This hidden cold damages the body's righteous qi. Because the disease evils are yin evils, they also obstruct and block the yang qi, thus repressing and exhausting the qi mechanism. This then leads to the creation of hidden phlegm, hidden stasis, and qi stagnation. Hence we have an explanation for all the main standard CM components of CHD. Because of this deep-lying or hidden cold, as teenagers the females typically suffer from dysmenorrhea, cold feet or cold hands and feet, while the males also typically manifest cold feet or cold hands and feet plus lower abdominal pain and/or urinary incontinence. At around 35 for females and 40 for males, these patients commonly present stomach pain, stomach distention, torpid intake, aversion to chilled foods, possible acid eructation, and/or burping/belching. At 49 for females and 64 for males, they then go on to develop chest pain, recalcitrant cold feet or cold hands and feet, easy fatigue, shortness of breath, upper back pain, stomach pain and/or distention, and low back and knee soreness and limpness. The tongue is pale and slightly cyanotic with teeth-marks on its edges, and the pulse is deep, bowstring, fine, and weak. Thus the diagnosis of this pattern is based on the patient's history, their main symptoms, and their tongue and pulse signs. This discussion is interesting because it seems to account for a familial predispostion to CHD. It also presents a nice longitudinal evolution of symptomology over decades. This is something CM is theoretically good at but which often gets overlooked in the press to deal with current symptoms. When discussing hidden evils in general, most of the emphasis in the contemporary Chinese literature seems to me to be on hidden warm or damp heat evils, but here we have a discussion of hidden cold evils. Likewise, when discussing warm or damp heat evils, these mostly are described as hiding in the blood aspect, but here the authors say these cold hidden evils are harbored in the kidneys. So this article adds a number of new ideas at least to the available English language literature on hidden evils: 1) There do exist hidden cold evils, and 2) these evils can hide in the viscera and bowels, not just the blood aspect. Further, in talking about hidden evils in general, the authors say that they cause diseases with serious (literally " heavy " ) pathology. The seat or location of the disease is deep, its course is long, the disease is not easy to see, and it is difficult to cure. All interesting food for thought. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Bob, This is fascinating. I have a somewhat different group of CHD patients who may have hidden cold factors, but don't necessarily run cold. They usually have a chronic lifelong low blood pressure, although frequently obese. It generally tests in the low end of normal but they lack qi, are fatigued, show Spleen xu and frequently Kidney xu symptoms. I have suspected that the " normal " blood pressure on someone who might need more pressure to push blood through a large body might be somewhat pathologic. As they age they seem to show combination yin and qi deficiency or yin and yang deficiency. The deficient heat may trump the cold symptoms, but I suspect there is cold there as well. Any comments? Karen S. Vaughan, L.Ac., MSTOM Registered Herbalist (AHG) Creationsgarden1 253 Garfield Place Brooklyn, NY 11215 (718) 622-6755 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 No information on this included in the article. Bob , mystir <ykcul_ritsym wrote: > > Also I wondered, is there any correlation between the existence and transmission of this disease, and the age of the parents at conception. In other words, does it have anything to do with the parents having children early in their marriage, or later? Thanks again. > > Bob Flaws <pemachophel2001 wrote: Sometimes reading the Chinese medical journals seems so repetitive, > but every once and a while, I come across something really new (at > least to me). As an example of this, I find the lead article in issue > #6, 2007 of Shi Yong Zhong Yi Nei Ke Za Zhi (Journal of Practical > Internal Medicine) by Huang Yong-sheng et al. > extremely interesting. It discusses the role of " former heaven hidden > cold " evils in the development of coronary heart disease (CHD). In > this article, the authors introduce a study conducted in the > cardiovascular department of the Changchun University of Chinese > Medicine & Pharmacology Affiliated Hospital. Of 2925 patients > examined, 773 or 26.43% presented a " former heaven hidden cold > pattern. " This included 251 males and 522 females aged 23-84 years, > with a median age of 45.11 plus/minus 23.26 years. Twenty-one point > six percent of these patients (167) were diagnosed with CHD. > > According to the authors, this condition or pattern is due to the > patient's parents' " wedded essence " having a yang qi insufficiency. > Therefore, within the patient's kidneys, there is hidden cold. This > hidden cold damages the body's righteous qi. Because the disease evils > are yin evils, they also obstruct and block the yang qi, thus > repressing and exhausting the qi mechanism. This then leads to the > creation of hidden phlegm, hidden stasis, and qi stagnation. Hence we > have an explanation for all the main standard CM components of CHD. > > Because of this deep-lying or hidden cold, as teenagers the females > typically suffer from dysmenorrhea, cold feet or cold hands and feet, > while the males also typically manifest cold feet or cold hands and > feet plus lower abdominal pain and/or urinary incontinence. At around > 35 for females and 40 for males, these patients commonly present > stomach pain, stomach distention, torpid intake, aversion to chilled > foods, possible acid eructation, and/or burping/belching. At 49 for > females and 64 for males, they then go on to develop chest pain, > recalcitrant cold feet or cold hands and feet, easy fatigue, shortness > of breath, upper back pain, stomach pain and/or distention, and low > back and knee soreness and limpness. The tongue is pale and slightly > cyanotic with teeth-marks on its edges, and the pulse is deep, > bowstring, fine, and weak. Thus the diagnosis of this pattern is based > on the patient's history, their main symptoms, and their tongue and > pulse signs. > > This discussion is interesting because it seems to account for a > familial predispostion to CHD. It also presents a nice longitudinal > evolution of symptomology over decades. This is something CM is > theoretically good at but which often gets overlooked in the press to > deal with current symptoms. When discussing hidden evils in general, > most of the emphasis in the contemporary Chinese literature seems to > me to be on hidden warm or damp heat evils, but here we have a > discussion of hidden cold evils. Likewise, when discussing warm or > damp heat evils, these mostly are described as hiding in the blood > aspect, but here the authors say these cold hidden evils are harbored > in the kidneys. So this article adds a number of new ideas at least to > the available English language literature on hidden evils: 1) There do > exist hidden cold evils, and 2) these evils can hide in the viscera > and bowels, not just the blood aspect. Further, in talking about > hidden evils in general, the authors say that they cause diseases with > serious (literally " heavy " ) pathology. The seat or location of the > disease is deep, its course is long, the disease is not easy to see, > and it is difficult to cure. > > All interesting food for thought. > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 The contemporary Chinese literature is unanimous in saying that low BP is due to spleen qi vacuity (and then any evolution or complication of that). Based on Chinese medicine's vision of health and disease in turn based on the Confucian doctrine of the mean (zhong yong), low blood pressure is pathological. While its pathological effects may not be as dramatic and obvious as high BP, they are there nonetheless. The pathologies of low BP are those due to spleen qi vacuity and all its evolutions and complications. Bob , creationsgarden1 wrote: > > Bob, > > This is fascinating. I have a somewhat different group of CHD patients who > may have hidden cold factors, but don't necessarily run cold. They usually > have a chronic lifelong low blood pressure, although frequently obese. It > generally tests in the low end of normal but they lack qi, are fatigued, show > Spleen xu and frequently Kidney xu symptoms. I have suspected that the > " normal " blood pressure on someone who might need more pressure to push blood > through a large body might be somewhat pathologic. As they age they seem to show > combination yin and qi deficiency or yin and yang deficiency. The deficient > heat may trump the cold symptoms, but I suspect there is cold there as well. > Any comments? > > > Karen S. Vaughan, L.Ac., MSTOM > Registered Herbalist (AHG) > Creationsgarden1 > 253 Garfield Place > Brooklyn, NY 11215 > > (718) 622-6755 > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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