Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Hi Louis - I certainly appreciate the attention you have placed upon my work. Yet, I also wish to make a clarification. The *ruo mai* is not the same as what Hammer calls the 'cotton' pulse. John HF Shen called the 'cotton' pules a sad, depressed or *yu *pulse. The *ruo mai* is deep weak and thready. I think that I was likely not clear when I said that people often conflate the *ruo mai *with the cotton pulse. The article can be downloaded at http://www.pulsediagnosis.com/IntegrativeMedicineandtheCottonPulse.htm, or one can also just click on http://www.pulsediagnosis.com and navigate there. Pulses that demonstrate hidden evils include those with distortions in the arrival of the wave (use the lifting method for palpating the arrival of the wave, and follow it). Using an anatomical method, the *mo yuan *may also be palpated .This is the area which is the distal aspect of Shen's diaphragm pulse represents the area between the diaphragm and the plura. You don't find this in Hammer's book since is extends from my clinical experience. This discussion presumes an understanding and application of conventional methods for determining hidden evils such as deep and replete pulse patterns for the patient in a compensated state. Lastly, the *yu mai *or cotton pulse suggests a terrain with yang depletion, these individuals are vulnerable to deep cold, or hidden cold evil. Warmly, Will Re: More on Hidden Evi </message/42548;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbDE\ xMmY0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzIwMTAxMwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjA4MTUEbXNnSWQDNDI1NDg\ Ec2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwODQ3MjczOQ--> Posted by: " Louis Womack " louis.womack <louis.womack?Subject=+Re%3A%20More%20on%20Hidden%20Evils> tolvmanne <http://profiles./tolvmanne> Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:48 pm (PDT) Hi Bob and all other contibutors on this subject My immediate reaction to this text on evil qi becoming depressed, not being thust out and Yin qi being " quilted " brings to mind an article by William Morris on the Cotton (ruo mai), deep, weak, floating and slow pulses, and poor lymph return with all which that entails- Spleen Xu, Kidney Yang Xu, Heart Qi & Yang Xu, Damp accumulation and even Yin Fire. Louis http://www.pulsediagnosis.com/IntegrativeMedicineandtheCottonPulse.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Will, Sorry about the imprecise intro to your article on the Cotton pulse. Personally I don´t equate Cotton with " ruo mai " and this wasn´t my intention. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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