Is direct moxibustion justified on clinical grounds in ethical p

[Guest guest]

<I've had situations also where someone complained about the odor of

moxa, for example in a clinic where in the next room, a chemically

sensitive person was getting massaged, and the smell bothered them.

20 or more years ago, this was less of a problem. Now, humans get

hyper-aware sensorially, to any blip in their space. I think it has

more to do with the mind, than the simple scent of moxa. It's too

bad, you kids have it harder, sorry.

 

 

Yes, the smell of moxa, even the " smokeless " variety can be a problem

in many situations. I was treating patients at a methadone clinic

and the counselors were worried that the smell would activate the

patients' urges to get high... This prompted me to find something

that would absorb or neutralize the smoke odors. So here's what I

found: a soy wax candle called Clean Air. here's the url if you're

interested.

http://www.wayoutwax.com/products/clean_air/candles.html

 

I use the 6.7 oz candles that come in a tin, which runs about $11.

They come in other sizes and forms. I find that they work pretty

well, but I tend to use the smokeless sticks or little rice cones, so

there's not as much smoke in my rooms.

 

Happy smoking,

 

Julia Carpenter, LAc

Berkeley, CA

 

 

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know what's inside the smokeless moxa?

 

Are there any chemicals that are detrimental at all?

 

What about the gold painted ones?

 

 

 

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Julia Carpenter <julia.carpenter

wrote:

 

> <I've had situations also where someone complained about the odor of

> moxa, for example in a clinic where in the next room, a chemically

> sensitive person was getting massaged, and the smell bothered them.

> 20 or more years ago, this was less of a problem. Now, humans get

> hyper-aware sensorially, to any blip in their space. I think it has

> more to do with the mind, than the simple scent of moxa. It's too

> bad, you kids have it harder, sorry.

>

> Yes, the smell of moxa, even the " smokeless " variety can be a problem

> in many situations. I was treating patients at a methadone clinic

> and the counselors were worried that the smell would activate the

> patients' urges to get high... This prompted me to find something

> that would absorb or neutralize the smoke odors. So here's what I

> found: a soy wax candle called Clean Air. here's the url if you're

> interested.

> http://www.wayoutwax.com/products/clean_air/candles.html

>

> I use the 6.7 oz candles that come in a tin, which runs about $11.

> They come in other sizes and forms. I find that they work pretty

> well, but I tend to use the smokeless sticks or little rice cones, so

> there's not as much smoke in my rooms.

>

> Happy smoking,

>

> Julia Carpenter, LAc

> Berkeley, CA

>

>

[Guest guest]

John,

There was a study published in the Journal of a

few years back that indicated that the 'smokeless moxa' emitted a good

deal of carbon monoxide. I've always felt it was fairly consuming of

the oxygen in the room, and therefore I won't use it.

 

 

On May 1, 2008, at 5:21 AM, wrote:

 

> Does anyone know what's inside the smokeless moxa?

>

> Are there any chemicals that are detrimental at all?

>

> What about the gold painted ones?

>

> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Julia Carpenter <julia.carpenter

> >

> wrote:

>

> > <I've had situations also where someone complained about the odor of

> > moxa, for example in a clinic where in the next room, a chemically

> > sensitive person was getting massaged, and the smell bothered them.

> > 20 or more years ago, this was less of a problem. Now, humans get

> > hyper-aware sensorially, to any blip in their space. I think it has

> > more to do with the mind, than the simple scent of moxa. It's too

> > bad, you kids have it harder, sorry.

> >

> > Yes, the smell of moxa, even the " smokeless " variety can be a

> problem

> > in many situations. I was treating patients at a methadone clinic

> > and the counselors were worried that the smell would activate the

> > patients' urges to get high... This prompted me to find something

> > that would absorb or neutralize the smoke odors. So here's what I

> > found: a soy wax candle called Clean Air. here's the url if you're

> > interested.

> > http://www.wayoutwax.com/products/clean_air/candles.html

> >

> > I use the 6.7 oz candles that come in a tin, which runs about $11.

> > They come in other sizes and forms. I find that they work pretty

> > well, but I tend to use the smokeless sticks or little rice cones,

> so

> > there's not as much smoke in my rooms.

> >

> > Happy smoking,

> >

> > Julia Carpenter, LAc

> > Berkeley, CA

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Z'ev,

I'll find the article on the JCM disc.

 

Thanks for the tip,

 

Kokko

 

 

 

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:01 PM, <zrosenbe wrote:

 

> John,

> There was a study published in the Journal of a

> few years back that indicated that the 'smokeless moxa' emitted a good

> deal of carbon monoxide. I've always felt it was fairly consuming of

> the oxygen in the room, and therefore I won't use it.

>

>

>

> On May 1, 2008, at 5:21 AM, wrote:

>

> > Does anyone know what's inside the smokeless moxa?

> >

> > Are there any chemicals that are detrimental at all?

> >

> > What about the gold painted ones?

> >

> > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Julia Carpenter <

> julia.carpenter <julia.carpenter%40gmail.com>

> > >

> > wrote:

> >

> > > <I've had situations also where someone complained about the odor of

> > > moxa, for example in a clinic where in the next room, a chemically

> > > sensitive person was getting massaged, and the smell bothered them.

> > > 20 or more years ago, this was less of a problem. Now, humans get

> > > hyper-aware sensorially, to any blip in their space. I think it has

> > > more to do with the mind, than the simple scent of moxa. It's too

> > > bad, you kids have it harder, sorry.

> > >

> > > Yes, the smell of moxa, even the " smokeless " variety can be a

> > problem

> > > in many situations. I was treating patients at a methadone clinic

> > > and the counselors were worried that the smell would activate the

> > > patients' urges to get high... This prompted me to find something

> > > that would absorb or neutralize the smoke odors. So here's what I

> > > found: a soy wax candle called Clean Air. here's the url if you're

> > > interested.

> > > http://www.wayoutwax.com/products/clean_air/candles.html

> > >

> > > I use the 6.7 oz candles that come in a tin, which runs about $11.

> > > They come in other sizes and forms. I find that they work pretty

> > > well, but I tend to use the smokeless sticks or little rice cones,

> > so

> > > there's not as much smoke in my rooms.

> > >

> > > Happy smoking,

> > >

> > > Julia Carpenter, LAc

> > > Berkeley, CA

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Years ago in school I was taught that the gold painted ones commonly have

lead in them. With all the reports of lead tainting, I'm not surprised in

the least. Even if a company claims to test a batch, I avoid them like the

plague.

 

-Tim Sharpe

 

 

 

On Behalf Of

Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:21 AM

 

Re: Re: Is direct moxibustion justified on clinical grounds

in ethical p

 

Does anyone know what's inside the smokeless moxa?

 

Are there any chemicals that are detrimental at all?

 

What about the gold painted ones?

 

 

 

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Julia Carpenter

<julia.carpenter

wrote:

 

> <I've had situations also where someone complained about the odor of

> moxa, for example in a clinic where in the next room, a chemically

> sensitive person was getting massaged, and the smell bothered them.

> 20 or more years ago, this was less of a problem. Now, humans get

> hyper-aware sensorially, to any blip in their space. I think it has

> more to do with the mind, than the simple scent of moxa. It's too

> bad, you kids have it harder, sorry.

>

> Yes, the smell of moxa, even the " smokeless " variety can be a problem

> in many situations. I was treating patients at a methadone clinic

> and the counselors were worried that the smell would activate the

> patients' urges to get high... This prompted me to find something

> that would absorb or neutralize the smoke odors. So here's what I

> found: a soy wax candle called Clean Air. here's the url if you're

> interested.

> http://www.wayoutwax.com/products/clean_air/candles.html

>

> I use the 6.7 oz candles that come in a tin, which runs about $11.

> They come in other sizes and forms. I find that they work pretty

> well, but I tend to use the smokeless sticks or little rice cones, so

> there's not as much smoke in my rooms.

>

> Happy smoking,

>

> Julia Carpenter, LAc

> Berkeley, CA

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would be flabergasted to find out that 'smokeless moxa' are made of

anything else than a charcoal briquette in a stick shape. There isn't

any of the yellowish deposit from the oils that you find using real

moxa. I don't think you are in danger of carbon monoxide poisoning

from such a small ignition source though. I had CO poisoning once and

I never felt any of those symptoms in my office using the smokeless

sticks. I am not an engineer, but I believe that combustion of

anything is going to give off CO, even normal moxa - so I'm not sure

there is a significant difference in that risk (unless comparing rice

grains to a stick). As far as other metals pollutants go, if they'll

allow it in our baby toys, I don't think they would care if it's into

a moxa stick either.

 

Geoff

 

 

,

<zrosenbe wrote:

>

> John,

> There was a study published in the Journal of a

> few years back that indicated that the 'smokeless moxa' emitted a good

> deal of carbon monoxide. I've always felt it was fairly consuming of

> the oxygen in the room, and therefore I won't use it.

>

>

> On May 1, 2008, at 5:21 AM, wrote: