Black Salve?

July 9, 2008

OK - I'm not one who gets too excited when people come by with the

next best thing. There is something that sounds interesting though

from the standpoint of using herbs to 'draw out'. I believe Zao Jiao

Ci is one that can draw out pus. I had a patient today with these odd

welts, and she said her grandma made something called 'black salve'

which I think had something called blood root in it. Well, I googled

it and there's actually a web page with some before and after photos.

Don't check it out around dinner time...

http://www.blacksalveinfo.com/photos.htm

Is this the kind of function we should see when using something like

Zao Jiao Ci? I have never seen junk come out of lesions like this by

using something topically.

Geoff

July 10, 2008

Hi Geoff,

Just so you know, the website that you posted is a scam. Black Salve

is around, and it does work, but the Best on Earth products that the

website you posted says are the best do not work. I was very

interested in this after I talked to another practitioner at CSOMA who

says that she uses Black Salve for the fatty tumors on her dogs. I

bought some of this product, because I was curious, and tried it on a

few people, but with no results. Or perhaps a better way to say it,

is that one could feel the energy of the concoction, but it had no

physical effect, nothing like the pictures on this webpage.

This did bring up my in my mind the idea of escharotics and the

Hocksey formulas. We are getting a little out of our scope here, but

there have been formulas that work for this kind of thing around for a

long time (Eseiac (sp?) for one). But there is also a good deal of

concern about Black salve from the FDA. If you want to see some

interesting pictures -- look at www.quackwatch.com (search for black

salve), not that I believe in quack watch -- as they still don't

believe in acupuncture.

Back to Escharotics -- these medicines are something that use a

caustic substance to create an opening in the body. According to the

Eclectic Materia Medica the most common of these were: Zinc Chloride,

Silver Nitrate, Phenol., Chromic Acid, Sulphuric Acid, Nitric Acid, &

Arsenic trioxide. The Best on Earth company uses Zinc Chloride -- as

do several other companies that market this product.

The other herbs that are in this product are: Bloodroot, Burdock root,

Chaparral, Red Clover, Graviola, & Lanolin.

Being the kind of guy I am, I was curious about whether we had herbs

like this in . One such herb that we found was Shang

Lu. In talking with other practitioners about finding a different

vector to get the herbs in to the site of the cancer, DMSO was

mentioned. Like I said earlier, you get to far into this Escharotics

subject and the FDA is likely to become more interested in you. But

don't buy any of the suggestions off of the website that you

suggested: http://www.blacksalveinfo.com/photos.htm

Interestingly, in my own case, I had a dime sized benign tumor just

inferior to SI 11. After reading Lorraine Wilcox's Moxibustion book,

I decided to try using Garlic Moxabustion on my tumor. We burned 30

cones, got it to blister pretty badly. It formed a chancer just like

you see in those pictures, and then about 3 days later -- the tumor

" popped " and the sebaceous material that was the filling for the tumor

all came out. So I guess what I am saying is that good old

moxibustion works just fine

Sincerely,

L.Ac.

The Database

Chinese Medicine

www.cm-dbcart.com

July 10, 2008

Jonathon,

Thanks for the info. It did seem like the Filipino 'Psychic Surgery'

I saw on TV a long time ago. So - after your tumor popped - did it

heal completely?

Geoff

, " jonk2012 " <jonk2012

wrote:

>

> Hi Geoff,

>

> Just so you know, the website that you posted is a scam. Black Salve

> is around, and it does work, but the Best on Earth products that the

> website you posted says are the best do not work.

July 11, 2008

_www.cancersalves.com_ (http://www.cancersalves.com) is a better source for

those who want to find out about black salves and their history, and Ingrid

Naiman has a professionals-only section in her pages. I wouldn't use

anything like that without being personally apprenticed to someone who uses it

because it is tricky and too easy to make mistakes with. I did have a

chiropractor friend use one on a breast cancer, but the pain was too difficult

for her

to continue, and a half-completed course is worse than not using one at all.

The stuff can work if properly formulated, but too strong a salve can eat

through good tissue and has caused serious problems or death in the past. But

well-formulated salves have eaten through inoperable brain stem cancers. It is

interesting how the skin regrows after opening up to poultice out the

cancer. Not for the weak of stomach though and it does scar.

Essiac is a feeble alterative formula and not one of the senior professional

herbalists on my listserve had ever seen anyone respond to it. (The one who

thought she saw one case that was helped by drinking buckets of the stuff

reported back that the patient later died from the cancer.) Hoxsey's in a form

like that made by Herbalist and Alchemist (which doesn't put in double

laxatives), Trifolium compound and Scudder's Alterative are more useful for

most

cancers. What I do is to combine them with three base versions of a fu zheng

formula for the patient's differential diagnosis and symptoms, and use one

alterative and one fu zheng for a month, switch to the second pair of formulas,

rotating through so the cancer cannot adapt to the formulas. Otherwise they

seemed to work for a year or two, then the patient crashed.

Karen Vaughan, MSTOM

Licensed Acupuncturist, NCCAOM

Registered Herbalist (AHG)

253 Garfield Place

Brooklyn, NY 11215

(718) 622-6755

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July 11, 2008

Hi Geoff,

Well, the moxabustion caused the tumor to look just like the pictures

on the website you mentioned. Once all of the sebaceous material came

out, there was just a slight raising of the skin, and then a hole

where the tumor used to be. The whole looks to be about 1/4 of an

inch deep -- not for the squeemish I guess. But it is healing just fine.

The other thing that I found interesting with this whole process, is

that while we were using the moxa on the swelling, not only could I

feel the energy radiating down my foot through my Bladder channel, and

my hand to the SI channel -- I could also feel every other fatty tumor

in my body. And all of these tumors connected back in to the back

side of my heart.

Has anyone ever heard of these phlegm (benign fatty tumors) nodules

being rooted together, like a wart? I can't find it now, but in

Moxabustion: The Power of Mugwort Fire Lorraine Wilcox translates a

passage which says that swellings go back to the Heart.

It was all very interesting.

Sincerely,

L.Ac.

The Database

Chinese Medicine

www.cm-dbcart.com

, " G Hudson "

<ozark.canuck wrote:

>

> Jonathon,

> Thanks for the info. It did seem like the Filipino 'Psychic Surgery'

> I saw on TV a long time ago. So - after your tumor popped - did it

> heal completely?

>

> Geoff

>

> , " jonk2012 " <jonk2012@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Geoff,

> >

> > Just so you know, the website that you posted is a scam. Black Salve

> > is around, and it does work, but the Best on Earth products that the

> > website you posted says are the best do not work.

>

July 12, 2008

Some years ago, when I was still a student and had infinite patience, I had

burned 10 rice-grain sized cones of moxa on a plantar's wart on the bottom of my

foot, daily over a few months. The wart eventually shrank and " fell " out of my