Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 CHA Members, Please recommend any topical products you have found helpful in treating pain and muscle spasm. Unfortunately I don't have time to make it myself anymore, so I'm looking for companies products that you have found useful in the clinic. I believe there was a company mentioned that specialized in topical applications but I cannot find the info. I'm hoping to find a herbal massage oil, ointments and plasters or the like. Thank you for any help you can offer. Best Wishes, Dave v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Hi Try to contact Tom Bisio in NYC He is a specialist in trama TCM, and makes creams, wrote books etc here his mail tom Hope it helps Gaal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 We have some effective topical preparations, take a look at www.fiveflavorsherbs.com. We can also custom prepare things for you with some volumn and/or lead time. Also of note, we have a well inventoried KPC granule pharmacy for sale, available in either components or in its entirety. If you are interested contact me off the list @ btz23 Thanks, Ben Zappin : gaalco: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:17:22 +0000 Re: Recommended topicals & ointments Hi Try to contact Tom Bisio in NYCHe is a specialist in trama TCM, and makes creams, wrote books etchere his mailtom it helpsGaal _______________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_\ safety_072008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Dear Dave, Two things: 1. I hate using " one shoe fits all " medicines to treat symptoms, especially topically, but if you can find it, and the patient is showing signs of cold, or spleen Qi or Yang vacuity, along with the pain a wonderful topical medicine is Feng Shi You (BTW, I haven't been able to find it in LA for about 3 months). 2. That being said, almost without exception, the patients that I have treated with pain and muscle spasms have been deficient in Magnesium. I use Now brand Magnesium Citrate in powder form, and prescribe 1/3 teaspoon TID with meals-to start. If this produces loose bowels or diarrrhea, cut back to 1/4 teaspoon BID, and keep adjusting until your patient finds the perfect dose. Good Luck, Yehuda --- On Thu, 7/17/08, dmvitello01 <dmvitello wrote: dmvitello01 <dmvitello Recommended topicals & ointments Thursday, July 17, 2008, 10:28 AM CHA Members, Please recommend any topical products you have found helpful in treating pain and muscle spasm. Unfortunately I don't have time to make it myself anymore, so I'm looking for companies products that you have found useful in the clinic. I believe there was a company mentioned that specialized in topical applications but I cannot find the info. I'm hoping to find a herbal massage oil, ointments and plasters or the like. Thank you for any help you can offer. Best Wishes, Dave v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Yehuda, Why not just use Mg glycinate? -Jason _____ On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Friday, July 18, 2008 1:39 AM Re: Recommended topicals & ointments Dear Dave, Two things: 1. I hate using " one shoe fits all " medicines to treat symptoms, especially topically, but if you can find it, and the patient is showing signs of cold, or spleen Qi or Yang vacuity, along with the pain a wonderful topical medicine is Feng Shi You (BTW, I haven't been able to find it in LA for about 3 months). 2. That being said, almost without exception, the patients that I have treated with pain and muscle spasms have been deficient in Magnesium. I use Now brand Magnesium Citrate in powder form, and prescribe 1/3 teaspoon TID with meals-to start. If this produces loose bowels or diarrrhea, cut back to 1/4 teaspoon BID, and keep adjusting until your patient finds the perfect dose. Good Luck, Yehuda --- On Thu, 7/17/08, dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) <dmvitello%40msn.com> com> wrote: dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) <dmvitello%40msn.com> com> Recommended topicals & ointments @ <%40> Thursday, July 17, 2008, 10:28 AM CHA Members, Please recommend any topical products you have found helpful in treating pain and muscle spasm. Unfortunately I don't have time to make it myself anymore, so I'm looking for companies products that you have found useful in the clinic. I believe there was a company mentioned that specialized in topical applications but I cannot find the info. I'm hoping to find a herbal massage oil, ointments and plasters or the like. Thank you for any help you can offer. Best Wishes, Dave v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 But Yehuda, Feng Shi You just means wind damp oil. That term seems to be almost a generic name for a kind of liniment. So you would be looking for a particular brand/manufactory (love that word:-) I tried to look for it on request of a friend when I went to China - and found several, none of which matched the label/box/manufactory of the package photocopy that I had. ann On Jul 18, 2008, at 3:39 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > Dear Dave, > > Two things: > > 1. I hate using " one shoe fits all " medicines to treat symptoms, > especially topically, but if you can find it, and the patient is > showing signs of cold, or spleen Qi or Yang vacuity, along with the > pain a wonderful topical medicine is Feng Shi You (BTW, I haven't > been able to find it in LA for about 3 months). > > 2. That being said, almost without exception, the patients that I > have treated with pain and muscle spasms have been deficient in > Magnesium. I use Now brand Magnesium Citrate in powder form, and > prescribe 1/3 teaspoon TID with meals-to start. If this produces > loose bowels or diarrrhea, cut back to 1/4 teaspoon BID, and keep > adjusting until your patient finds the perfect dose. > > Good Luck, > > Yehuda > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, dmvitello01 <dmvitello wrote: > > dmvitello01 <dmvitello > Recommended topicals & ointments > > Thursday, July 17, 2008, 10:28 AM > > CHA Members, > > Please recommend any topical products you have found helpful in > treating pain and muscle spasm. Unfortunately I don't have time to > make it myself anymore, so I'm looking for companies products that you > have found useful in the clinic. I believe there was a company > mentioned that specialized in topical applications but I cannot find > the info. I'm hoping to find a herbal massage oil, ointments and > plasters or the like. Thank you for any help you can offer. > > Best Wishes, > Dave v > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Hi Ann, You are right, and as you mention, I have seen it in 3 different formulations, but the common denominator seems to be a very hot topical oil, which, as I mentioned I haven't been able to find here in LA or anywhere else on line, at least on this side of the Atlantic (or Pacific for that matter)! Those it is designed to specifically treat wind damp cold. I have used it in other applications as well, as I mentioned, and like it's effect. --- On Fri, 7/18/08, A Brameier <snakeoil.works wrote: A Brameier <snakeoil.works Re: Recommended topicals & ointments Friday, July 18, 2008, 9:50 AM But Yehuda, Feng Shi You just means wind damp oil. That term seems to be almost a generic name for a kind of liniment. So you would be looking for a particular brand/manufactory (love that word:-) I tried to look for it on request of a friend when I went to China - and found several, none of which matched the label/box/manufacto ry of the package photocopy that I had. ann On Jul 18, 2008, at 3:39 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > Dear Dave, > > Two things: > > 1. I hate using " one shoe fits all " medicines to treat symptoms, > especially topically, but if you can find it, and the patient is > showing signs of cold, or spleen Qi or Yang vacuity, along with the > pain a wonderful topical medicine is Feng Shi You (BTW, I haven't > been able to find it in LA for about 3 months). > > 2. That being said, almost without exception, the patients that I > have treated with pain and muscle spasms have been deficient in > Magnesium. I use Now brand Magnesium Citrate in powder form, and > prescribe 1/3 teaspoon TID with meals-to start. If this produces > loose bowels or diarrrhea, cut back to 1/4 teaspoon BID, and keep > adjusting until your patient finds the perfect dose. > > Good Luck, > > Yehuda > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net > > > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote: > > dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) com> > Recommended topicals & ointments > > Thursday, July 17, 2008, 10:28 AM > > CHA Members, > > Please recommend any topical products you have found helpful in > treating pain and muscle spasm. Unfortunately I don't have time to > make it myself anymore, so I'm looking for companies products that you > have found useful in the clinic. I believe there was a company > mentioned that specialized in topical applications but I cannot find > the info. I'm hoping to find a herbal massage oil, ointments and > plasters or the like. Thank you for any help you can offer. > > Best Wishes, > Dave v > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 What side of the Atlantic is LA on? ) Ann On Jul 18, 2008, at 6:36 PM, yehuda frischman wrote: > Hi Ann, > > You are right, and as you mention, I have seen it in 3 different > formulations, but the common denominator seems to be a very hot > topical oil, which, as I mentioned I haven't been able to find here > in LA or anywhere else on line, at least on this side of the > Atlantic (or Pacific for that matter)! Those it is designed to > specifically treat wind damp cold. I have used it in other > applications as well, as I mentioned, and like it's effect. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/18/08, A Brameier <snakeoil.works wrote: > > A Brameier <snakeoil.works > Re: Recommended topicals & ointments > > Friday, July 18, 2008, 9:50 AM > > But Yehuda, Feng Shi You just means wind damp oil. That term seems to > be almost a generic name for a kind of liniment. So you would be > looking for a particular brand/manufactory (love that word:-) I tried > to look for it on request of a friend when I went to China - and > found several, none of which matched the label/box/manufacto ry of the > package photocopy that I had. > > ann > > On Jul 18, 2008, at 3:39 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > > > Dear Dave, > > > > Two things: > > > > 1. I hate using " one shoe fits all " medicines to treat symptoms, > > especially topically, but if you can find it, and the patient is > > showing signs of cold, or spleen Qi or Yang vacuity, along with the > > pain a wonderful topical medicine is Feng Shi You (BTW, I haven't > > been able to find it in LA for about 3 months). > > > > 2. That being said, almost without exception, the patients that I > > have treated with pain and muscle spasms have been deficient in > > Magnesium. I use Now brand Magnesium Citrate in powder form, and > > prescribe 1/3 teaspoon TID with meals-to start. If this produces > > loose bowels or diarrrhea, cut back to 1/4 teaspoon BID, and keep > > adjusting until your patient finds the perfect dose. > > > > Good Luck, > > > > Yehuda > > > > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote: > > > > dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) com> > > Recommended topicals & ointments > > > > Thursday, July 17, 2008, 10:28 AM > > > > CHA Members, > > > > Please recommend any topical products you have found helpful in > > treating pain and muscle spasm. Unfortunately I don't have time to > > make it myself anymore, so I'm looking for companies products > that you > > have found useful in the clinic. I believe there was a company > > mentioned that specialized in topical applications but I cannot find > > the info. I'm hoping to find a herbal massage oil, ointments and > > plasters or the like. Thank you for any help you can offer. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Dave v > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 We're on the far left, of course. --- On Fri, 7/18/08, A Brameier <snakeoil.works wrote: A Brameier <snakeoil.works Re: Recommended topicals & ointments Friday, July 18, 2008, 7:18 PM What side of the Atlantic is LA on? ) Ann On Jul 18, 2008, at 6:36 PM, yehuda frischman wrote: > Hi Ann, > > You are right, and as you mention, I have seen it in 3 different > formulations, but the common denominator seems to be a very hot > topical oil, which, as I mentioned I haven't been able to find here > in LA or anywhere else on line, at least on this side of the > Atlantic (or Pacific for that matter)! Those it is designed to > specifically treat wind damp cold. I have used it in other > applications as well, as I mentioned, and like it's effect. > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net > > > --- On Fri, 7/18/08, A Brameier <snakeoil.works@ verizon.net> wrote: > > A Brameier <snakeoil.works@ verizon.net> > Re: Recommended topicals & ointments > > Friday, July 18, 2008, 9:50 AM > > But Yehuda, Feng Shi You just means wind damp oil. That term seems to > be almost a generic name for a kind of liniment. So you would be > looking for a particular brand/manufactory (love that word:-) I tried > to look for it on request of a friend when I went to China - and > found several, none of which matched the label/box/manufacto ry of the > package photocopy that I had. > > ann > > On Jul 18, 2008, at 3:39 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > > > Dear Dave, > > > > Two things: > > > > 1. I hate using " one shoe fits all " medicines to treat symptoms, > > especially topically, but if you can find it, and the patient is > > showing signs of cold, or spleen Qi or Yang vacuity, along with the > > pain a wonderful topical medicine is Feng Shi You (BTW, I haven't > > been able to find it in LA for about 3 months). > > > > 2. That being said, almost without exception, the patients that I > > have treated with pain and muscle spasms have been deficient in > > Magnesium. I use Now brand Magnesium Citrate in powder form, and > > prescribe 1/3 teaspoon TID with meals-to start. If this produces > > loose bowels or diarrrhea, cut back to 1/4 teaspoon BID, and keep > > adjusting until your patient finds the perfect dose. > > > > Good Luck, > > > > Yehuda > > > > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote: > > > > dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) com> > > Recommended topicals & ointments > > > > Thursday, July 17, 2008, 10:28 AM > > > > CHA Members, > > > > Please recommend any topical products you have found helpful in > > treating pain and muscle spasm. Unfortunately I don't have time to > > make it myself anymore, so I'm looking for companies products > that you > > have found useful in the clinic. I believe there was a company > > mentioned that specialized in topical applications but I cannot find > > the info. I'm hoping to find a herbal massage oil, ointments and > > plasters or the like. Thank you for any help you can offer. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Dave v > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 ooooooh -the slippery slope coast.... <|:^D On Jul 18, 2008, at 10:40 PM, yehuda frischman wrote: > We're on the far left, of course. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/18/08, A Brameier <snakeoil.works wrote: > > A Brameier <snakeoil.works > Re: Recommended topicals & ointments > > Friday, July 18, 2008, 7:18 PM > > What side of the Atlantic is LA on? ) > > Ann > > On Jul 18, 2008, at 6:36 PM, yehuda frischman wrote: > > > Hi Ann, > > > > You are right, and as you mention, I have seen it in 3 different > > formulations, but the common denominator seems to be a very hot > > topical oil, which, as I mentioned I haven't been able to find here > > in LA or anywhere else on line, at least on this side of the > > Atlantic (or Pacific for that matter)! Those it is designed to > > specifically treat wind damp cold. I have used it in other > > applications as well, as I mentioned, and like it's effect. > > > > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/18/08, A Brameier <snakeoil.works@ verizon.net> wrote: > > > > A Brameier <snakeoil.works@ verizon.net> > > Re: Recommended topicals & ointments > > > > Friday, July 18, 2008, 9:50 AM > > > > But Yehuda, Feng Shi You just means wind damp oil. That term > seems to > > be almost a generic name for a kind of liniment. So you would be > > looking for a particular brand/manufactory (love that word:-) I > tried > > to look for it on request of a friend when I went to China - and > > found several, none of which matched the label/box/manufacto ry > of the > > package photocopy that I had. > > > > ann > > > > On Jul 18, 2008, at 3:39 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > > > > > Dear Dave, > > > > > > Two things: > > > > > > 1. I hate using " one shoe fits all " medicines to treat symptoms, > > > especially topically, but if you can find it, and the patient is > > > showing signs of cold, or spleen Qi or Yang vacuity, along with > the > > > pain a wonderful topical medicine is Feng Shi You (BTW, I haven't > > > been able to find it in LA for about 3 months). > > > > > > 2. That being said, almost without exception, the patients that I > > > have treated with pain and muscle spasms have been deficient in > > > Magnesium. I use Now brand Magnesium Citrate in powder form, and > > > prescribe 1/3 teaspoon TID with meals-to start. If this produces > > > loose bowels or diarrrhea, cut back to 1/4 teaspoon BID, and keep > > > adjusting until your patient finds the perfect dose. > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > > > > Yehuda > > > > > > > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote: > > > > > > dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) com> > > > Recommended topicals & ointments > > > > > > Thursday, July 17, 2008, 10:28 AM > > > > > > CHA Members, > > > > > > Please recommend any topical products you have found helpful in > > > treating pain and muscle spasm. Unfortunately I don't have time to > > > make it myself anymore, so I'm looking for companies products > > that you > > > have found useful in the clinic. I believe there was a company > > > mentioned that specialized in topical applications but I cannot > find > > > the info. I'm hoping to find a herbal massage oil, ointments and > > > plasters or the like. Thank you for any help you can offer. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Dave v > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Hi All, We make a variety of effective TCM poultices, powders, and liniments. We ship anywhere in the US and orders are usually filled within 24 hrs, Monday thru Thursday, Friday orders sometimes same day. www.herbanpharmer.com The focus of our service is primarily orthopedic in nature, however we do also make an infused Castor oil that is appropriate not only for liver packs, but can be used with packs for uterine fibroids as well. There is much info on the site on how to choose and how to use the various products. I certainly welcome any questions or feedback at admin We can also provide you with custom orders. Sincerely, Paul Gamache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Paul, Thanks for the info and link. The order is in:) Also, thanks to all other members who posted links and recommendations. It was very helpful. Dave Vitello , " pdgamache2 " <pdgamache wrote: > > Hi All, > We make a variety of effective TCM poultices, powders, and liniments. > > We ship anywhere in the US and orders are usually filled within 24 > hrs, Monday thru Thursday, Friday orders sometimes same day. > > www.herbanpharmer.com > > The focus of our service is primarily orthopedic in nature, however we > do also make an infused Castor oil that is appropriate not only for > liver packs, but can be used with packs for uterine fibroids as well. > > There is much info on the site on how to choose and how to use the > various products. > > I certainly welcome any questions or feedback at admin > > We can also provide you with custom orders. > > Sincerely, > Paul Gamache > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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