Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Mg Glycinate is a really nice form of Magnesium, is inexpensive and is highly absorbable, thus requiring a much smaller dose. It's also one of the few forms of Mg. that doesn't have a laxative effect. It's therefore the perfect alternative for the patient who is tends to have loose bowels or is mechanically compromised (eg from surgery, obstruction, or immune dysfunction). However, What I like about pure Mg Citrate powder for everyone else, is that its laxative effect I find to be a like a barometer to determine the dose that fits for each patient. I generally start with 1/3 teaspoon TID, with meals, and go from there. What I am looking for is a daily bowel movement which is soft and formed, but certainly not mushy. --- On Fri, 7/18/08, wrote: RE: Recommended topicals & ointments Friday, July 18, 2008, 5:52 AM Yehuda, Why not just use Mg glycinate? -Jason _____ [] On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Friday, July 18, 2008 1:39 AM Re: Recommended topicals & ointments Dear Dave, Two things: 1. I hate using " one shoe fits all " medicines to treat symptoms, especially topically, but if you can find it, and the patient is showing signs of cold, or spleen Qi or Yang vacuity, along with the pain a wonderful topical medicine is Feng Shi You (BTW, I haven't been able to find it in LA for about 3 months). 2. That being said, almost without exception, the patients that I have treated with pain and muscle spasms have been deficient in Magnesium. I use Now brand Magnesium Citrate in powder form, and prescribe 1/3 teaspoon TID with meals-to start. If this produces loose bowels or diarrrhea, cut back to 1/4 teaspoon BID, and keep adjusting until your patient finds the perfect dose. Good Luck, Yehuda www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net --- On Thu, 7/17/08, dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) <dmvitello% 40msn.com> com> wrote: dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) <dmvitello% 40msn.com> com> Recommended topicals & ointments @ <chineseherb academy%40g roups.com> . com Thursday, July 17, 2008, 10:28 AM CHA Members, Please recommend any topical products you have found helpful in treating pain and muscle spasm. Unfortunately I don't have time to make it myself anymore, so I'm looking for companies products that you have found useful in the clinic. I believe there was a company mentioned that specialized in topical applications but I cannot find the info. I'm hoping to find a herbal massage oil, ointments and plasters or the like. Thank you for any help you can offer. Best Wishes, Dave v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Y, I understand your thinking, although I wonder if one can really correlate one's level of bowel tolerance to what one needs on a cellular level (i.e. muscles). Meaning, just because someone has a laxative effect does not mean that this is all one needs on a cellular level. Some people have very easy bowel moving tendencies (esp with citrate) yet need a much larger dose to change there tight muscles etc. Therefore I almost always use glycinate. Furthermore, I see no reason to provoke someone's bowels. If someone does have constipation, IME, Citrate usually does nothing to correct the underlying problem and just acts a laxative. Although I agree this can be useful in some situations. Further comments? -Jason _____ On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Friday, July 18, 2008 5:19 PM Mg Glycinate vs Citrate Mg Glycinate is a really nice form of Magnesium, is inexpensive and is highly absorbable, thus requiring a much smaller dose. It's also one of the few forms of Mg. that doesn't have a laxative effect. It's therefore the perfect alternative for the patient who is tends to have loose bowels or is mechanically compromised (eg from surgery, obstruction, or immune dysfunction). However, What I like about pure Mg Citrate powder for everyone else, is that its laxative effect I find to be a like a barometer to determine the dose that fits for each patient. I generally start with 1/3 teaspoon TID, with meals, and go from there. What I am looking for is a daily bowel movement which is soft and formed, but certainly not mushy. --- On Fri, 7/18/08, <@chinesemed <%40Chinese Medicine> icinedoc.com> wrote: <@chinesemed <%40Chinese Medicine> icinedoc.com> RE: Recommended topicals & ointments @ <%40> Friday, July 18, 2008, 5:52 AM Yehuda, Why not just use Mg glycinate? -Jason _____ [] On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Friday, July 18, 2008 1:39 AM Re: Recommended topicals & ointments Dear Dave, Two things: 1. I hate using " one shoe fits all " medicines to treat symptoms, especially topically, but if you can find it, and the patient is showing signs of cold, or spleen Qi or Yang vacuity, along with the pain a wonderful topical medicine is Feng Shi You (BTW, I haven't been able to find it in LA for about 3 months). 2. That being said, almost without exception, the patients that I have treated with pain and muscle spasms have been deficient in Magnesium. I use Now brand Magnesium Citrate in powder form, and prescribe 1/3 teaspoon TID with meals-to start. If this produces loose bowels or diarrrhea, cut back to 1/4 teaspoon BID, and keep adjusting until your patient finds the perfect dose. Good Luck, Yehuda www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net --- On Thu, 7/17/08, dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) <dmvitello% 40msn.com> com> wrote: dmvitello01 <dmvitello (AT) msn (DOT) <dmvitello% 40msn.com> com> Recommended topicals & ointments @ <chineseherb academy%40g roups.com> . com Thursday, July 17, 2008, 10:28 AM CHA Members, Please recommend any topical products you have found helpful in treating pain and muscle spasm. Unfortunately I don't have time to make it myself anymore, so I'm looking for companies products that you have found useful in the clinic. I believe there was a company mentioned that specialized in topical applications but I cannot find the info. I'm hoping to find a herbal massage oil, ointments and plasters or the like. Thank you for any help you can offer. Best Wishes, Dave v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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