Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I was wondering what people are recommending these days for patients to read as an intro to CM? -Jason <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 Boulder, Co 80301 <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig<=en> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 My website. :-) Doug , " " wrote: > > I was wondering what people are recommending these days for patients to read > as an intro to CM? > > > > -Jason > > > > > > <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 > Boulder, Co > 80301 > > > > > > > > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig<=en> Want a > signature like this? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Web that has no Weaver and Between Heaven and Earth are still on the best selling pop charts. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:46 PM, < > wrote: > I was wondering what people are recommending these days for patients to > read > as an intro to CM? > > -Jason > > > > > < > http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 > Boulder, Co > 80301 > > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig<=en> Want > a > signature like this? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Doug, Thanks, although I am looking for a book that they could buy and read. Any suggestions? -Jason Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:14 PM Re: Layman intro book My website. :-) Doug , " " wrote: > > I was wondering what people are recommending these days for patients to read > as an intro to CM? > > > > -Jason > > > > > > <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 > Boulder, Co > 80301 > > > > > > > > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig<=en> Want a > signature like this? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 I usually point them toward " The Web that Has No Weaver " as a starter text. -Steve Stephen Bonzak, L.Ac., Dipl. C.H. http://www.health-traditions.com sbonzak 773-470-6994 On Jul 31, 2008, at 7:29 AM, wrote: > Doug, > > Thanks, although I am looking for a book that they could buy and > read. Any suggestions? > > -Jason > > > Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:14 PM > > Re: Layman intro book > > My website. :-) > > Doug > > , " " > wrote: > > > > I was wondering what people are recommending these days for patients > to read > > as an intro to CM? > > > > > > > > -Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C > +Suite+20 > > 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 > > Boulder, Co > > 80301 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig<=en> > Want a > > signature like this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 I remain faithful to *The Web that has no Weaver*. Up till all of the charts in the last third of the book, anyway. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:46 PM, < > wrote: > I was wondering what people are recommending these days for patients to > read > as an intro to CM? > > -Jason > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 I usually refer them to the Web. It's well written but gives enough of the complexity that they feel there is a lot to learn (and I'm thus that much appreciated.) Doug , " " <johnkokko wrote: > > Web that has no Weaver and Between Heaven and Earth > are still on the best selling pop charts. > > > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:46 PM, < > > wrote: > > > I was wondering what people are recommending these days for patients to > > read > > as an intro to CM? > > > > -Jason > > > > > > > > > > < > > http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > > 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 > > Boulder, Co > > 80301 > > > > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig<=en> Want > > a > > signature like this? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 We desperately need a new book that reflects the clarity and diversity of the subject. On Jul 31, 2008, at 2:19 AM, wrote: > Web that has no Weaver and Between Heaven and Earth > are still on the best selling pop charts. > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:46 PM, < > > wrote: > > > I was wondering what people are recommending these days for > patients to > > read > > as an intro to CM? > > > > -Jason > > > > > > > > > > < > > http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > > 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 > > Boulder, Co > > 80301 > > > > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature? > src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig<=en> Want > > a > > signature like this? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 What about " Understanding Acupuncture " by Stephen Birch and Robert Felt It is very thorough and explains how acupuncture works from biomedical research. K. On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 5:56 PM, <zrosenbe wrote: > We desperately need a new book that reflects the clarity and diversity > of the subject. > > > > On Jul 31, 2008, at 2:19 AM, wrote: > > > Web that has no Weaver and Between Heaven and Earth > > are still on the best selling pop charts. > > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:46 PM, < > > <%40Chinese Medicine>> > wrote: > > > > > I was wondering what people are recommending these days for > > patients to > > > read > > > as an intro to CM? > > > > > > -Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > > > 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 > > > Boulder, Co > > > 80301 > > > > > > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature? > > src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig<=en> Want > > > a > > > signature like this? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 That is an excellent book, but it is not an introduction to the broad aspects of Chinese medicine. Nigel Wiseman is working on a new introductory text with Eric Brand and Feng Ye that should be very high quality. On Jul 31, 2008, at 6:28 PM, wrote: > What about " Understanding Acupuncture " > by Stephen Birch and Robert Felt > > It is very thorough and explains how acupuncture works from biomedical > research. > > K. > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 5:56 PM, > <zrosenbe wrote: > > > We desperately need a new book that reflects the clarity and > diversity > > of the subject. > > > > > > > > On Jul 31, 2008, at 2:19 AM, wrote: > > > > > Web that has no Weaver and Between Heaven and Earth > > > are still on the best selling pop charts. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:46 PM, < > > > < > %40Chinese Medicine>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > I was wondering what people are recommending these days for > > > patients to > > > > read > > > > as an intro to CM? > > > > > > > > -Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > > > > 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 > > > > Boulder, Co > > > > 80301 > > > > > > > > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature? > > > src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig<=en> Want > > > > a > > > > signature like this? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Z'ev (or Eric), Is this going to be a layman's book or an intro for professionals? I agree with Z'ev, we need something a bit better than what is out there. -Jason _____ On Behalf Of Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:01 PM Re: Layman intro book That is an excellent book, but it is not an introduction to the broad aspects of Chinese medicine. Nigel Wiseman is working on a new introductory text with Eric Brand and Feng Ye that should be very high quality. On Jul 31, 2008, at 6:28 PM, wrote: > What about " Understanding Acupuncture " > by Stephen Birch and Robert Felt > > It is very thorough and explains how acupuncture works from biomedical > research. > > K. > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 5:56 PM, > <zrosenbe (AT) san (DOT) <zrosenbe%40san.rr.com> rr.com> wrote: > > > We desperately need a new book that reflects the clarity and > diversity > > of the subject. > > > > > > > > On Jul 31, 2008, at 2:19 AM, wrote: > > > > > Web that has no Weaver and Between Heaven and Earth > > > are still on the best selling pop charts. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:46 PM, < > > > @chinesemed <%40Chinese Medicine> icinedoc.com < > %40Chinese Medicine>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > I was wondering what people are recommending these days for > > > patients to > > > > read > > > > as an intro to CM? > > > > > > > > -Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > http://maps. <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > /py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > > > > 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 > > > > Boulder, Co > > > > 80301 > > > > > > > > <http://www.plaxo. <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?> com/signature? > > > src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig<=en> Want > > > > a > > > > signature like this? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Professional. But I think simple enough for laypeople to get something out of. However, I think we need a specifically layperson's book of high quality. It doesn't exist. Even " Web " was originally designed as a textbook for CM courses. On Jul 31, 2008, at 7:26 PM, wrote: > Z'ev (or Eric), > > Is this going to be a layman's book or an intro for professionals? I > agree > with Z'ev, we need something a bit better than what is out there. > > -Jason > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Z'ev > Rosenberg > Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:01 PM > > Re: Layman intro book > > That is an excellent book, but it is not an introduction to the broad > aspects of Chinese medicine. Nigel Wiseman is working on a new > introductory text with Eric Brand and Feng Ye that should be very high > quality. > > > On Jul 31, 2008, at 6:28 PM, wrote: > > > What about " Understanding Acupuncture " > > by Stephen Birch and Robert Felt > > > > It is very thorough and explains how acupuncture works from > biomedical > > research. > > > > K. > > > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 5:56 PM, > > <zrosenbe (AT) san (DOT) <zrosenbe%40san.rr.com> rr.com> wrote: > > > > > We desperately need a new book that reflects the clarity and > > diversity > > > of the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 31, 2008, at 2:19 AM, wrote: > > > > > > > Web that has no Weaver and Between Heaven and Earth > > > > are still on the best selling pop charts. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:46 PM, < > > > > @chinesemed <%40Chinese Medicine> > icinedoc.com < > > %40Chinese Medicine>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I was wondering what people are recommending these days for > > > > patients to > > > > > read > > > > > as an intro to CM? > > > > > > > > > > -Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > http://maps. > <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > > /py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 > > > > > 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 > > > > > Boulder, Co > > > > > 80301 > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.plaxo. <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?> com/ > signature? > > > > src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig<=en> Want > > > > > a > > > > > signature like this? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Blue Poppy has a consumer series Healing (your disease) Naturally. Truth be told, I haven't looked at them carefully but they might be a good start as to how to approach a book such as this. Bob? Any interest in publishing one? Doug , <zrosenbe wrote: > > Professional. But I think simple enough for laypeople to get > something out of. However, I think we need a specifically layperson's > book of high quality. It doesn't exist. Even " Web " was originally > designed as a textbook for CM courses. > > > On Jul 31, 2008, at 7:26 PM, wrote: > > > Z'ev (or Eric), > > > > Is this going to be a layman's book or an intro for professionals? I > > agree > > with Z'ev, we need something a bit better than what is out there. > > > > -Jason > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Is that so they become so confused that they come to see you to clarify? The Web is a great book for OM folks to read about acupuncture theory, but for layfolks, might as well be Porkert. David In a message dated 7/31/08 10:20:52 AM, stephenbonzak writes: > I usually point them toward " The Web that Has No Weaver " as a starter > text. > > -Steve > " A pessimist is one who makes difficulties of his opportunities and an optimist is one who make opportunities of his dificulties. " Harry Truman " Liberals claim to want to give hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to learn that there are other views. " William Buckley David Molony 101 Bridge Street Catasauqua, PA 18032 Phone (610)264-2755 Fax (610) 264-7292 **********Confidentiality Notice ********** This electronic transmission and any attached documents or other writings are confidential and are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) identified above. This message may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure under applicable law, including the FTC Safeguard Rule and U.S.-EU Safe Harbor Principles. If you are the intended recipient, you are responsible for establishing appropriate safeguards to maintain data integrity and security. If the receiver of this information is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, reading, dissemination, distribution, copying or storage of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender by return email and delete the electronic transmission, including all attachments from your system. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 " we need something a bit better than what is out there. " Oy, do we indeed. I remember thinking that both the " web " and especially " heaven and earth " seemed a bit new-agey and therefore easy to dismiss. I should take another look, but I can't believe this is the best we can offer. The brochures available are aged and much too simplistic for the web-accessed public looking for alternatives... -Paul , " " wrote: > > Z'ev (or Eric), > > > > Is this going to be a layman's book or an intro for professionals? I agree > with Z'ev, we need something a bit better than what is out there. > > > > -Jason > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Clearly this is a gap waiting to be filled. An intelligent, thoughtful discussion on Chinese medicine that looks at its practice, history, and different schools of thought combined with practical advice that stimulates the intelligence without confusing the reader. On Aug 4, 2008, at 1:32 PM, pdgamache2 wrote: > " we need something a bit better than what is out there. " > > Oy, do we indeed. I remember thinking that both the " web " and > especially " heaven and earth " seemed a bit new-agey and therefore easy > to dismiss. I should take another look, but I can't believe this is > the best we can offer. The brochures available are aged and much too > simplistic for the web-accessed public looking for alternatives... > > -Paul Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine Pacific College of Oriental Medicine San Diego, Ca. 92122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 , " pdgamache2 " <pdgamache wrote: > > " we need something a bit better than what is out there. " > > Oy, do we indeed. I remember thinking that both the " web " and > especially " heaven and earth " seemed a bit new-agey and therefore easy > to dismiss. I thought I remembered hearing that the Heaven and Earth authors retracted their book because it was so inaccurate? Not true? Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 that book may be out there. I went perusing amazon.com and found this one. And really, has anyone checked out the Idiot's for Dummies Guide to Acupuncture? Maybe its good. Your assignment, class is to report back with one possible book.... :-) Doug Acupuncture for Everyone: What It Is, Why It Works, and How It Can Help You (Paperback) by Ruth Lever Kidson Dan Brown, L.Ac. " ...succinctly yet thoroughly covers all the basics of acupuncture history, philosophy, causes of disease, means of diagnosis, and methods of treatment... " Review " Acupuncturists--this is the book to have in your waiting room. It succinctly yet thoroughly covers all the basics of acupuncture history, philosophy, causes of disease, means of diagnosis, and methods of treatment in an engaging style rich with anecdotes and case histories. A joy to read! " ( Dan Brown, L.Ac. ) " Acupuncture is one of the oldest therapies known to man and what this intelligent book does is to demonstrate how an acupuncturist makes his diagnosis and treats his patient. " (London Daily News ) " A useful guide to this ancient but increasingly popular form of alternative medicine. " (Journal of the Institute of Health Education ) " Kidson provides information on the fundamental principles of Chinese medicine underlying this therapy, advice on finding a good practitioner, and what to expect from treatment. " (Richard Lynch, The Bloomsbury Review ) > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I also see Dr. Joel is coming out with this book soon... he's a smart guy, hopefully it will be good. Doug http://baytreepublish.com/book-fr.html seems to have some interesting titles. _____________ Forthcoming Fall 2008 A Patient's Guide to : Dr. Shen's Handbook of Acupuncture & Herbs by Joel Harvey Schreck, L.Ac. Dr.Shen's Guide to : Baytree Press ISBN-10: 0-9801758-0-1 ISBN-13: 978-0-9801758-0-6 Price: $18.95 Format: paperback Trim: 6 X 9 approx. 300 pages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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